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I dont care who used them ...

Steroids and HGH didnt get Bonds , Mcgwire , Clemens and tons of other guys to the major leagues.

They might have helped them thru injury and prolonged their career , but it didnt get them there.
 

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agree somewhat. Bonds and Clemens was hall of famers regardless cant say the same abotu McGwire.
 

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Also i can go to the gym pick out a strong guy who has been using hgh and steroids for 5 to 10 years and put him on a baseball field, basketball court of football field and he will probably be trash.

Im sick of all the courage this shit is getting. People think Bud selig is mad. He aint mad His sport has been on all news stations year around. You cant beat that kind of exposure
 

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Is anyone really making the argument that steroids/HGH are helping people make the major leagues who wouldn't normally have made it?

The argument is a mediocre hitter starts taking HGH and gets more distance on fly balls and suddenly has a 40 HR year ex: Brady Anderson.

Or in this case, a pitcher with a declining career suddenly becomes dominant again in his later years.
 

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Neither do most people, so why do these dumbshits lie about it. Clemens has a ego that has made him retarded.
 

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HGH improves vision. It may not improve your coordination, but if you can see the ball pitched at you better, i would think this would help batting dramatically
 

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Bottom line is they were cheaters. Irrelevant if they were great players or not beforehand.

And what about those fringe players who did use and earned contracts ahead of honest players?
 

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everyone can see the ball, it makes you stronger, which makes your bat quciker, also hit harder farther.
 

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Is anyone really making the argument that steroids/HGH are helping people make the major leagues who wouldn't normally have made it?

The argument is a mediocre hitter starts taking HGH and gets more distance on fly balls and suddenly has a 40 HR year ex: Brady Anderson.

Or in this case, a pitcher with a declining career suddenly becomes dominant again in his later years.


i understand this argument. but , why didnt brady anderson continue to have big years ? he hit 50 and then right back down to the 20's .

i think he just had a career year..
 

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steroids develop strength that you werent capable of before...that strength breeds confidence

mystery solved...next
 

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HGH improves vision. It may not improve your coordination, but if you can see the ball pitched at you better, i would think this would help batting dramatically



this is a medical fact ?
 

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it all plays into your confidence...

anyone that played sports knows confidence is huge towards exceeding expectations
 

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i understand this argument. but , why didnt brady anderson continue to have big years ? he hit 50 and then right back down to the 20's .

i think he just had a career year..

Anderson may not be the absolute best example, I just always like to use him because of the massive spike in performance in a short time which most people attribute to steroids use.

- 16 HRs in 1995
- 50 HRs in 1996
- 18 HRs in 1997

All while putting on 35 lbs of muscle prior to the '96 season. Maybe he stopped juicing after 1996, maybe it truly was a career year.
 

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I dont care who used them ...

Steroids and HGH didnt get Bonds , Mcgwire , Clemens and tons of other guys to the major leagues.

They might have helped them thru injury and prolonged their career , but it didnt get them there.


put a whiffle bat in a major leaguers hand and he has a ridiculous advantage. This is effectively what they have done. Plus playing through injuries, easier to workout, better eye vision.

the "you still have to hit the ball" argument is way, way off base.
 

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Steroids and HGH didnt get Bonds , Mcgwire , Clemens and tons of other guys to the major leagues.


Perhaps not for them, but it did get plenty of other guys to the majors.

There is more to baseball than hand eye coordination, if someone has the requisite hand eye coordination (in theory HGH aids in sight improvement, but that is a different point), steroids can turn a doubles hitter into a HR hitter, a 20 SB guy into a 50 SB guy, an 88 MPH fastball into a 94 MPH fastball, you hit the ball harder which turns into more hits and more XBH
That may be enough to get you to the show and/or keep you there when you otherwise wouldn't have been.
 

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All that muscle would make you able to handle the bat better, and therefore give you a little more room for error while batting. Of course, that room for error would be cancled out by a pitcher on juice so he can throw faster...
 

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The recovery time for athletes is just as important.

World Number One - two big prospects who flamed out, made the Mitchell Report after big comebacks were Jack Cust and Rick Ankiel. You make the call.
 

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warning track fly balls, go into the seats......... (fact)
 

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I dont care who used them ...

Steroids and HGH didnt get Bonds , Mcgwire , Clemens and tons of other guys to the major leagues.

They might have helped them thru injury and prolonged their career , but it didnt get them there.

This has to be one of the dumbest posts i've read here. According to your logic, i suppose you wouldn't care if every single pro sports athelete (soccer, bball, football, on and on) started roiding up huh? I mean after all, all of the major sports pretty much involves hand-eye coordination.

I agree with you that steroids don't enhance your hand-eye coordination, but what you're not understanding is the fact that some of those HR's that Bonds hit would've been 10ft shorter of being HR's without the roids
 

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it all plays into your confidence...

anyone that played sports knows confidence is huge towards exceeding expectations

Exactly.

I won't dive into the hand-eye coordination topic or even the argument of muscle mass versus mechanics as being more relevant in improving an athlete's performance, but I will echo WW's thoughts on confidence.

Confidence is everything. Just ask anyone coming off a hot streak or a cold streak. And in the case of taking a performance enhancing drug, one of the biggest benefits an athlete derives is confidence.

And this confidence factor is both psychological and physiological.

Psysiologically, steroids release the chemical testosterone in the body. And studies show that higher levels of testosterone in men has a direct correlation with the level of aggression and confidence in those men. If you want to be cliche, the sports world calls it more "heart". When an athlete competes with more aggression and confidence, he will outperform his natural level of performance and often times, outperform his teammates and competitors.

Psychologically, injesting or injecting a performance enhancer will translate to a different mindset for the athlete. It doesn't matter if performance enhancers affect hand-eye coordination or not. All that matters is what the athlete thinks. If the athlete thinks he is seeing the ball better, then he is seeing the ball better. If the athlete thinks his bat speed has dramatically increased, then his bat speed has increased. Perception is king. Perception is reality. Just ask any athlete who's been in the "zone" or who has experienced any state of ultra confidence in their game.
 

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