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Duddy will go to sleep..

Pavlik is good but beating one dimensional

Miranda and Taylor is not enough to push any of those three over.

You saucin today Whale or are you that stupid?
 

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Hes better than all 3 and dont bring sauce into this...good night
 

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Fighting Hagler, Leonard and Hearns is in unchartered territory for the young stud. Lets not put him with the greastest in history just yet.

BTW in that video was he fighting the "Bum Of The Month Club" fighters? Sure looked it to me.
 

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To all fight fans interested in this topic.

Please discuss the topic but lets not hijack the thread with profanity no matter how right you think you are..Show a little courtesy to your fellow posters please..


Thanks, wil..
 

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Hagler would absolutely murder this kid. Would be a ridiculous mismatch.
 

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Get the fuck out of here with that ignorant bull shit. Hagler or Hearns would knock this kid out in 2-3 rds.

Hagler wouldn't KO Pavlik very early IMO. He was more of an accumulation puncher, he might stop Pavlik late. Hearns could stop Pavlik early, but Hearns could also be stopped at any time his chin sucked. Out of these 3, Hearns is the only 1 that Pavlik would have a realistic chance against. Leonard would outbox and possibly stop Pavlik as well.
 

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Hagler wouldn't KO Pavlik very early IMO. He was more of an accumulation puncher, he might stop Pavlik late. Hearns could stop Pavlik early, but Hearns could also be stopped at any time his chin sucked. Out of these 3, Hearns is the only 1 that Pavlik would have a realistic chance against. Leonard would outbox and possibly stop Pavlik as well.

Hearns could be KO'ed but I think he wins 7/8 out of 10...

Pavlik is way to unproven to be making any statements towards him being an all time great.
 

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Hearns could be KO'ed but I think he wins 7/8 out of 10...

Pavlik is way to unproven to be making any statements towards him being an all time great.


Well, Hearns had a lot more talent than Pavlik so I would favor him to. He's the most vulnerable out of these 3 guys though. Leonard and Hagler had granite chins, Hearns definantely would be hurt if Pavlik landed clean.
 

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This is not meant as a slight on Pav either as I love the heart he shows and his punching power but we are talking about 3 of the best ever.
 

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Yeah but in Hearns case he was KTFO by some guys that weren't exactly all time greats. Like I said I pick all 3 to beat Pavlik but Hearns was a bit more vulnerable than the other 2. Pavlik is fun to watch but no need to compare him to these 3 until he fights some more good competition.
 

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Yeah but in Hearns case he was KTFO by some guys that weren't exactly all time greats. Like I said I pick all 3 to beat Pavlik but Hearns was a bit more vulnerable than the other 2. Pavlik is fun to watch but no need to compare him to these 3 until he fights some more good competition.

I would like to see him get the fight with Trinidad as that would be a good name for him to get under his belt...

How do you see Taylor doing the rest of his career Val?
 

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I would like to see him get the fight with Trinidad as that would be a good name for him to get under his belt...

How do you see Taylor doing the rest of his career Val?

Trinidad's lazy ass doesn't want to get back down to 160. I think there's nobody at 160 who can beat Pavlik. More than likely he fights (and destroys), that bum John Duddy in his next fight. 168 is a different story though. A guy who kind of relies on physical advantages like Pavlik does losses more as they move up. I think he can be good at 168, but not dominant. I am not sure about Taylor. He will probably have a lot more close fights because he is talented but his stamina doesn't cut it.
 

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Still way too early to be making this call whale. Take a look at the bombs Hearns is throwing at the end of this vid. Only way Pavlik hurts Hagler is late; and in a war of attrition, I'll take Hagler every time.

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Pavlik's a good fighter though. Hopefully, Calzaghe will retire Hopkins and then give this kid a real test back at 168.
 

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Of the 3, Pavlik would fare best against Hearns with his questionable chin although Pavlik himself tends to go straight ahead and drops his gloves so he is vulverable to power shots. With Hearns' power, he risks getting rocked pretty good but Pavlik does have a good jaw.

There is no way he could cope with Leonard's hand speed and defence especially if they fought at say 154 lbs. At 160 Leonard wins easily in a unanimous decision. The same goes for fighting Roy Jones Jr.

Hagler would beat that skinny body until Pavlik had the ribs of Apollo Creed. :lolBIG:

Let's not even match him vs Monzon or Hopkins.
 

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Another fighter from that era who deserves to be mentioned: Wilfred Benitez.

Another fighter of note from that era was the ill fated Wilfred Benetiz.
Born in Puerto Rico, Benitez was a polished fighter in his mid teens.
He had memorable fights against the likes of:
Carlos Palomino
Antonio Cervantes
Roberto Duran
Harold Weston
Carlos Santos
Maurice Hope (famous knockout by Benitez)
Sugar Ray Leonard (great fight)
Thomas Hearns (both fighters knocked down)

A strange and unfortunate incident in 1987
stranded Benetiz in Argentina for a year
when his manager robbed him of not only his
entire purse from a fight but his passport also, he was never the same.
Today Benetiz has Diabetes and an incurable, degenerative brain condition many believe was caused by the blows he took in the ring against the likes of Hitman Hearns and others.

He fought 62 fights winning 53, (31 by KO), lost 8 and had 1 draw.

Benetiz was a three time world champion.

Defeated Antonio Cervantes WBA Light Welterweight Champion
6 Mar 1976 – 1977. (Stripped of title when he moved up in weight class)

Defeated Carlos Palomino WBC Welterweight Champion
14 Jan 1979 – 30 Nov 1979. (Lost title to Leonard)

Defeated Maurice Hope WBC Light Middleweight boxing champion
23 May 1981– 3 Dec 1982. (lost title to Hearns)

I saw the Leonard fight at Ceasars Palace in 1979. The ref stopped it with 6 seconds to go in round 15. Benetiz was head butted in the 6th round by Leonard which opened a cut and made the rest of the fight a defensive one for him. Hell of a fight that could have gone either way.


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The Maurice Hope Knockout. One of the knockouts of the year in 1981.

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