mohawks vs canadian govt (re: Kahnawake)

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John Ivison, National Post
Published: Wednesday, March 05, 2008

OTTAWA - The federal government said yesterday it is considering new measures to stamp out Internet gaming sites based on a native reserve in Quebec, in a move that could spark conflict between Ottawa and Canada's First Nations ahead of a second national "day of action" this summer.

The government deems the 400 or so poker and sports-betting sites operating from the Kahnawake reserve near Montreal to be illegal, but neither federal not provincial governments have attempted to enforce the law. Now Ottawa is reviewing that position.

"Following recent concerns surrounding Internet gambling in Canada, the Minister of Justice [Rob Nicholson] has asked his officials to examine whether the enforcement of the Criminal Code provisions could be assisted with other measures," said Genevieve Breton, Mr. Nicholson's director of communications.

The "other measures" are understood to be moves to restrict banks and credit card companies from conducting financial transactions with illegal Internet operators. Similar legislation was enacted in the United States two years ago.

The Mohawks of Kahnawake say these laws do not apply to them since they are a sovereign nation. They also cite section 35 of the Constitution, which was inserted to protect native culture. The Mohawks say that gaming has been central to their culture as a means of settling disputes through competition, not violence. Other native groups, such as the Alexander First Nation in Alberta, have said they plan to emulate Kahnawake.

Owners of horse-racing tracks, such as Great Canadian Gaming Corp., say they pay $1-billion in tax receipts every year to various levels of governments and incur huge expenses putting on the races. "These offshore operations just poach horse-racing and no one can do anything about it. They're parasites on the butt of Canada," said Ross McLeod, chief executive of Great Canadian Gaming, which owns four tracks in Canada.

The track owners have also suggested that governments force Internet service providers to block the sites from Canadian bandwidth. "I expect the government to do the right thing and protect our country's interests," Mr. McLeod said.

Chuck Barnett, who is a member of the board of supervisors for Mohawk Internet Technologies, a utility company that provides connectivity services for the site owners at Kahnawake, sees Ottawa as a foreign government that has no business regulating activity on Mohawk territory. "However, if I were a Canadian, I might instead be more interested in how explicit legislation could serve as the catalyst for a potential source of economic development, employment and revenue through taxation," he said.

This view was echoed by Michael Lipton, a Toronto lawyer who specializes in gaming law. He said the horse-racing industry has had a monopoly on gambling in Canada for years, with Woodbine Entertainment currently holding a lock on government-sanctioned online horse betting.

"I guess if I had a monopoly, I wouldn't want anyone to compete against me either," Mr. Lipton said.

He said the United States has faced serious technical difficulties implementing restrictions on the payment system. "They are completely bogged down on how to block this system."

He acknowledged the Mohawks have had some problems with fraud. The Kahnawake Gaming Commission, which regulates Web sites operating from the reserve, fined one popular Web site -- Absolute Poker --$500,000 after players complained of irregular betting that was traced back to someone associated with the site. But he said most operations are transparent and credible.

Rather than attempting prohibition, Mr. Lipton said the government should bring the Kahnawake sites into the system and regulate them. He said this would protect the vulnerable, guard against money laundering, bring in tax revenue and provide a competitive edge in the gaming software market in terms of international trade.

"I think [Ottawa] should embrace this and recognize that people don't want to be in a position where the government tells them what they can or can't do in the peace of their own home," he said.
 

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last time these two faced off it was quite the disaster.....


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September 1, 1990. Private Patrick Cloutier, a ‘Van Doo’ perimeter sentry, and Mohawk Warrior Brad "Freddy Krueger" Larocque, a University of Saskatchewan economics student, face off. The Oka Crisis was a land dispute between the Mohawk nation (at the Mohawk reserve of Kahnawake) and the town of Oka, Quebec. It began on March 11, 1990, and lasted until September 26, 1990.
 

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Oh my don't get me started here Sportsavant. I have had some epic battles with the Kahnawake over the years.
 

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Oh my don't get me started here Sportsavant. I have had some epic battles with the Kahnawake over the years.


yeah, the point of this thread is really not to determine wther Kahnawake are competent or not, but rather whether Canada is following the same path as the USA in regards to this war on gaming.
 

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These guys won't be fucked with...


after what happened in 1990 I highly doubt the govt will fuck with them again either.

not to mention, they have allowed them to grow this jurisdiction as a gaming jurisdiction for years and years now. Furthermore, its also a grey area, as many argue that the government has no jurisdiction on the reserve.
 

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The Kahnawake are nothing more than ruthless thieves who strong arm anyone that challenges them
 

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i'm surprised they don't grow dope and sell it there too, since they are a "sovreign nation"
 

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The Kahnawake are nothing more than ruthless thieves who strong arm anyone that challenges them
i met the chief back in 1999 i went up their with gocasino guys to help them get started........he had a holstered pistol...all i said to him was yes sir no sir.........i was there only two days gocas wasnt ready for sports at that time
 

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i'm surprised they don't grow dope and sell it there too, since they are a "sovreign nation"


trust me... they do :toast:

and all the power to them....

reparations are still only a small fraction of what they really should be when it comes to what has happened to all indegenous people.
 

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That is what they get for leaving any Indians alive in an earlier period.
And save the Disneyesque characterizations of Indians that are used to advance the ridiculous cause of reparations. The only reason any Indian tribe was there when the Euro-Americans got there was because they were militarily superior to other tribes who they killed, subjugated or drove off. When those tribes ran up against better armed and/or more numerous Euros they got the short end of the stick that they were dealing out to other tribes earlier. (I.E.) U.S. should give reparations to the Sioux when the Sioux give reparations to the Crow tribe for supplanting them on the northern plains prior to the arrival of whites.
The whole implementation of the Indians Gaming Act to give tribes special rights to have casinos is a travesty also.
 

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I have great respect for the Kahnawake. When I was about to be stiffed by a casino that flew their emblem, they interceded for me and I got paid, and a substantial amount it was.
 

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