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Fed Pledges to Supply Cash
Friday March 14, 3:40 pm ET
By Martin Crutsinger, AP Economics Writer <TABLE height=4 cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 border=0><TBODY><TR><TD height=4></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>Fed Endorses Rescue Effort for Bear Stearns and Pledges to Supply Cash to Financial System
WASHINGTON (AP) -- The Federal Reserve invoked a rarely used Depression-era procedure Friday to bolster troubled Bear Stearns Cos. and said it will provide even more help to combat a serious credit crisis.
The action won praise from the administration, with President Bush saying that Fed Chairman Ben Bernanke was "doing a good job under tough circumstances."
The Fed announcement came in a brief two-sentence statement that was issued as stocks were plunging on Wall Street over worries that a plan to ease a liquidity crisis at Bear Stearns Cos. might not work. Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke, delivering a speech later Friday, told a housing group he had had a "busy morning." He did not elaborate on the Fed's action regarding Bear Stearns.
"The Federal Reserve is monitoring market developments closely and will continue to provide liquidity as necessary to promote the orderly functioning of the financial system," the board said in its statement. It said members had voted unanimously to approve the arrangement, announced by JP Morgan Chase and Bear Stearns earlier.
Delivering a speech on the economy in New York, Bush voiced confidence in the Fed's actions to aggressively cut interest rates and the Fed announcement last week that it would supply up to $200 billion in loans to cash-strapped financial institutions.
"It was a strong action by the Fed and they did so because some financial institutions that borrowed money to buy securities in the housing industry must now repair their balance sheets before they can make further loans," Bush said. "Today's actions are fasting moving, but the chairman of the Federal Reserve and the secretary of the treasury are on top of them and will take the appropriate steps to promote stability in our markets."
The plan announced Friday will supply secured funding to Bear Stearns for an initial period of 28 days, seeking to provide short-term relief for Bear Stearns.
Senior Federal Reserve staffers said the arrangement allows JP Morgan Chase to borrow from the Fed's discount window and put up collateral from Bear Stearns to back up the loans. JP Morgan, a bank, has access to the discount window to obtain direct loans from the Fed, but Bear Stearns, an investment house, does not.
While JP Morgan is serving as a conduit for the loans, the Fed and not JP Morgan will bear the risk if the loans are not repaid, officials said.
This type of procedure, Fed officials said, dates back to the Great Depression of the 1930s but has rarely been used since that time.
In his speech, Bush said the administration had a plan to deal with the problems in credit and housing markets and said he opposed a number of measures pending in Congress to go further by allocating billions of dollars to purchase abandoned and foreclosed home and changing the bankruptcy code to allow judges to adjust mortgage terms.
However, Senate Banking Committee Chairman Christopher Dodd, D-Conn., said the problems at Bearn Stearns, one of the country's largest investment banks, highlighed the need for more aggressive efforts.
"Instead of cheerleading and reacting with tepid measures, the administration should act boldly and decisively to prevent the looming foreclosure crisis from having catastrophic consequences for our economy and our markets," Dodd said in a statement.
Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson praised the Fed's leadership and said that the country's financial system would be able to weather the problems.
"As we have been saying for some time, there are challenges in our financial markets and we continue to address them," Paulson said in a statement. "This is another challenge that market participants and regulators are addressing. We are working closely with the Federal Reserve" and the Securities and Exchange Commission.
Paulson said he appreciated the leadership of the Fed "in enhancing the stability and orderliness of our markets."
The action by the Fed board in Washington represented an endorsement of a rescue effort for Bear Stearns that had already been arranged by JPMorgan and the Federal Reserve's New York regional bank.
It was seen as a last-ditch effort to save the investment bank, which on Friday acknowledged its serious financial problems after a week of denials.
After the situation at Bear Stearns worsened late Wednesday, there were a series of conference calls throughout the day on Thursday with officials from the Fed, the New York Fed and the SEC to assess the potential impact on the broader economy, according to a Treasury official, who spoke on condition of anonymity because of the sensitive nature of the discussions.
This official said that Paulson had been keeping Bush updated on the proposed rescue effort.
JPMorgan Chase is providing an undisclosed amount of secured funding to Bear for 28 days, backstopped by the Federal Reserve Bank of New York.
The Securities and Exchange Commission issued a statement saying it has been "in close contact" with Treasury, the Federal Reserve and the Federal Reserve Bank of New York during discussions concerning an agreement by J.P. Morgan Chase & Co. to provide a secured loan facility to The Bear Stearns Companies.
"We will continue to work closely together in a way that contributes to orderly and liquid markets," the SEC said. Last week, the Fed announced an industry-wide rescue package that would provide as much as $200 billion in loans to banks and investment houses and allow them to put up risky home-loan packages as collateral. It was the Fed's latest effort to stem a global credit crisis that began last August with rising loan defaults for subprime mortgages, loans provided to borrowers with weak credit histories.


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The Fed just keeps attempting to stop this avalance of financial woes facing this country..........to little, to late.

Look for the Fed to cut rates next week, again.

Not only do I think they will cut rates, but it would not surprise me if they did so by more than .50.........possibly a full point.

My prediction is .50 on March 18th...........

On a personal note, been trading the stock market farily effectively this year by just nibbling here and there on the big dips.
 

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The Fed just keeps attempting to stop this avalance of financial woes facing this country..........to little, to late.

Look for the Fed to cut rates next week, again.

Not only do I think they will cut rates, but it would not surprise me if they did so by more than .50.........possibly a full point.

My prediction is .50 on March 18th...........

On a personal note, been trading the stock market farily effectively this year by just nibbling here and there on the big dips.

Just finished watching CNBC. The consensus on next week's cut in interest rates is now 0.75 and 1.00 is still on the Fed table. IMHO, that still won't stop the slide in the overall markets.
 

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I agree with both of you Fish and OMT. Feds will lower a full point but the economy is at the lowest point I can ever remember, so it won't matter.

Fish - where do you see the Dow bottoming out at?
 

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Bush said this in his speech today "Your doing a heck of a job Bernanke"
 

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Ted: I know you weren't there, but what happened with real estate prices during the Great Depression ?
 

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How nervous are you guys who are holding onto cash? What alternatives??
I think the doom n gloom stuff was fishy.. but I am getting more and more concerned
 

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How nervous are you guys who are holding onto cash? What alternatives??
I think the doom n gloom stuff was fishy.. but I am getting more and more concerned

Metals like Gold and Silver are popular in bad times.
 

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One little problem with Gold, that rarely gets mentioned.....

Gold Confiscation: Will it happen again?

“The longer-term outlook for the dollar is unquestionably more bleak than at any time since it assumed its role as the world’s reserve currency.”
— John Embry,
Investor’s Digest, March 4, 2005
Have you ever heard so many dire predictions for the dollar?
Have you ever heard them from such credible sources?
For the first time, Warren Buffett is betting against the U.S. dollar. Given the worsening trend, it is necessary to diversify out of the dollar or, as Buffett puts it, “to build an ark.” Paul Volcker, the former head of the Federal Reserve Board, says that unless America changes course there is a “75 percent” chance of an economic crisis in the next five years. Steven Roach, Chief Economist at Morgan Stanley, predicts that America has no better than a 10 percent chance of avoiding “economic Armageddon.”
A recent study by Professor Maurice Obstfeld, an economist at the University of California, Berkeley, and Professor Kenneth Rogoff, of Harvard, a former head of research at the International Monetary Fund, warns that the dollar may dive by more than 40 percent. As Professor Rogoff puts it: “The world is set to jump off the top of a waterfall without knowing how deep the water is below.”
Even Alan Greenspan, perhaps the most circumspect Fed Chairman of all time, says that, “Given the size of the U.S. current account deficit, a diminished appetite for adding to dollar balances must occur.”
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In 1933, in order to stabilize the monetary system, President Franklin D. Roosevelt, under Executive Order No. 6102, confiscated all privately owned gold in the United States. Could it happen again?

The flip side to a weak dollar is a rising gold price.

All other things being equal, gold will continue to climb higher as the dollar moves lower. Today, just as in 1973 when gold began its last, big bull market, gold and the dollar are competitors, riding opposite ends of an economic seesaw.
Gold languished in the 1980s and 1990s and was replaced by the dollar as the standard against which all things financial are measured. In the coming decade, as the dollar suffers one of the great meltdowns in monetary history, gold will reclaim its place at the center of the global financial system. Gold’s value, relative to most national currencies, will soar.
However, the monetary crisis that could make your gold extraordinarily valuable may also create the very situation in which the government would return to some version of the gold standard, which would require that central banks enlarge their stocks of gold and increase the gold price. Central bank revaluation will make your gold holdings far more valuable, but will not do much for your net worth if the revaluation occurs after your gold becomes the property of the United States Department of the Treasury.
Could It Happen Again?

The problem is that the very circumstances that could make your gold so valuable could also result in its being taken from you. In 1933, in order to stabilize the monetary system, President Franklin D. Roosevelt, under Executive Order No. 6102, confiscated all privately owned gold in the United States. Could it happen again?
In a compelling book entitled The Coming Collapse of the Dollar and How to Profit from It, 2004, authors James Turk and John Rubino ask about the consequences of a dollar collapse:
“So as we drift into yet another currency debacle, one question that should be on all of our minds is How will Washington respond? Will it freeze prices, as did Nixon? Confiscate our gold like FDR? Prevent us from moving our savings to safer foreign markets and buying foreign currencies? Or come up with some ingenious new kind of expropriation, one tailored to the modern financial world?”​
Turk and Rubino say that there is no answer at this point, because no two currency crises are exactly alike. However, it may be important to consider the reason why confiscation or expropriation is even relevant: the fact that, if it eventually became necessary for the U.S. to bolster a collapsing dollar with gold, we no longer have enough gold to do so in any meaningful way. As our debt and deficits have soared, and as more and more dollars have been created, U.S. gold reserves have disappeared. In 1950, the United States Department of the Treasury owned 68.2 percent of the world's total gold reserves. Today, the Treasury owns less than 28 percent.
Private Gold Ownership

People who scoff at the suggestion that the government might restrict private gold ownership should remember that many other countries have restrictions on (or absolute prohibitions against) private gold ownership. They should also remember that, in 1933, Franklin Delano Roosevelt dealt with a monetary and banking crisis by confiscating all privately owned gold; paying for the gold at $20.67 per ounce; immediately devaluing the dollar by 40 percent; and setting the price of gold at $35.00 per ounce. At a single stroke, Roosevelt increased the government's gold assets, stabilized the monetary system and increased wholesale prices by more than 33 percent. However, he also inflicted losses of 40 percent on gold owners and stripped them of the gold that they saved to insure their financial futures.
For a copy of the Complete Gold Confiscation Report,
call a Blanchard and Company, Inc. Consultant today at 1-800-880-4653.
 

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question regarding OldmanTed's initial post....

Does this mean all these banks that were falling over each other to make a ton of bad loans to people that never should have gotten them are going to be bailed out after highly profiting from their own bad decisions?
 

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Ted: I know you weren't there, but what happened with real estate prices during the Great Depression ?

Can't compare home prices but the current credit crisis is the worst since the Great Depression. Today there was discussion about the expectation to start seeing a downturn in commodities as well.
 

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Many Americans laugh and cringe at the mere mention of the word socialism. May I ask what these bailouts left and right are??????
 

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I agree with both of you Fish and OMT. Feds will lower a full point but the economy is at the lowest point I can ever remember, so it won't matter.

Fish - where do you see the Dow bottoming out at?


Very difficult and IMPOSSIBLE to predict a bottom.

However, we can accurately predict where we think the overall market is headed over a certain period of time. A year ago I predicted we would be under 12,000 at this point in time, and here we are.

Do I think we go below 11,000, 10,000, or lower???

It certainly would not overly surprise me if it went under 10,000...........but that would probably be stretching it. Having said that, we could go under 11,000 in two weeks........especially if the market does not react to the next massive rate cut. Things are bleak, very bleak. We are still going to have massive ramifications coming from the credit, banking, and housing sector throughout 2008.

Sticking with commodities and still think this BULL market will continue over the coming months........
 

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I've witnessed the great depression the last couple of days on my offshore accounts.
 

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Amazing how far things have collapsed in 8 years of this guy.
 

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Recessions go in cycles, there have been many in US history, same with wars.

I think things are different now, though... in a bad way.

Going back in US history WW1 ( about 1917-1920 in US involvement terms), was followed by a pretty severe recession in 1921, then the 20's were good until the stock market crashed on Black Friday in 1929. The next 10 years sucked... then WW2 starts in 1939, US stays out until Pearl Harbor (12/41).

I can see a strong possibility of both an event similar to the Great Depression, and even more likely another real World War, not this play shit in Iraq with a few thousand dead soldiers, more like millions.

US military has certainly been arming themselves for it, and developing weapons for it, so it will happen, it's overdue. I hope I'm wrong about it, but I fear the next war and depression will be far worse than any previous ones.

The SHIT is just waiting to hit the proverbial fan.

You have the greatest military power ever to exist, just all set for WW3, and the bitch (US) is hurting like her husband cheated on her.
 

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