Jeff Haney just can’t seem to get a fair shake at Harrah’s sports book
By Jeff Haney
Mon, Apr 14, 2008 (2 a.m.)
For some reason, I had always been a defender of the Las Vegas sports betting scene.
Sure, there was room for improvement in some areas. But I figured everyone except the highest rollers had a decent number of betting options in town with just a modicum of hassles.
In a recent interview with talk-show host John Kelly on Fox Sports Radio 920-AM, I described my outlook as “generally bullish, with some reservations.”
I’ve since become a bear.
The pivotal moment came in a disgraceful incident Saturday night at Harrah’s sports book, when I tried to place wagers on three Sunday NBA games.
What transpired is really beyond words.
But I’ll try.
Lame.
Pathetic.
An abomination.
And, as I sputtered to the supervisor on duty Saturday night as my inner thesaurus was running on empty, “really bad.”
After I made the bets, the clerk printed out the three tickets. I examined them to make sure they were correct. They were. I handed over my money. He took it. He put it in the drawer.
Before the clerk handed them to me, a supervisor grabbed the tickets and walked off with them. Not a word to me. I stood there for at least two or three minutes. This is a long time when you’re just standing there with no money and no tickets to show for it. Still no explanation.
Finally, the supervisor returned and announced he was voiding all three tickets because he “didn’t like the lines” I had bet into.
This was flat-out unethical behavior by Harrah’s.
The casino was in effect dealing a “double line,” or a “one-way line.” In other words, casino officials were giving themselves the option of refusing bets on one side of the game while accepting bets on the other side.
This is not illegal, because state gaming regulations afford casinos the right to void any wager at any time for any reason whatsoever or no reason at all.
Upon further questioning, the supervisor, Travis Strege, said he was voiding the wagers because “it’s near the end of the NBA season.”
Huh?
I left Harrah’s without any betting tickets, once again thwarted in my quixotic quest to actually wager money in a Las Vegas sports book. (Boy, I’ve got a lot of nerve! Who do I think I am, trying to pull something like that?)
Strege did not directly address my contention that this was unethical behavior. (How could he possibly challenge it?)
He did agree that it was not illegal. He even explained, ever so helpfully, that the transaction does not become official until the customer is actually holding the tickets in his hand.
Gee, thanks.
So this is the kind of treatment you can expect if you bet at Harrah’s sports book and you know anything about sports or gambling.
If you’re a clueless sucker, don’t worry. Your action remains welcome at Harrah’s.
The next part of the exchange could have been taken verbatim from an episode of “The Twilight Zone:”
Strege said wagering on NBA games the night before they take place is “limited.”
OK, how limited?
Well, one-half of the usual game-day limits.
OK, what are the usual game-day limits on NBA over/unders?
Well, they are $2,000 per game.
OK, great. Since each of my wagers was below $1,000, there’s no problem, right?
Wrong. In short, I’ll get nothing and like it.
But ... but ... but ...
If you were in the vicinity of the center of the Strip Saturday night, the sharp report you might have heard was the sound of my head exploding.
It was all my fault, of course, and a mistake I’ve made many times in the past: I was acting like a logical, sentient human being in a conversation with a rank-and-file casino employee. I’ll just never learn.
Although his decision to void the wagers was wrongheaded, Strege maintained a professional demeanor even as the discussion became more pointed (it never reached the “heated” stage). It’s also to his credit he agreed to speak on the record.
This led me to believe he was likely heeding a call — directly or indirectly — from on high, from empty suits in plush offices who couldn’t “book their way out of a paper bag,” in the immortal phrase of an old friend of mine.
Just last week, a news release went out stating the company that owns Harrah’s, Caesars Palace and a bunch of other casinos will henceforth be known as “Caesars Entertainment Corp.”
Once upon a time, you see, Caesars was the most formidable name in organized gambling.
Yet as long as Harrah’s, and by extension, Caesars, run their sports book in an unethical manner, I will consider them embarrassments to Las Vegas and to the institution of legal, regulated gambling.
And for fearing the sports-betting action of a low-rolling sportswriter, I consider them embarrassments to the once-great Caesars brand.
The only problem, I suppose, is a prerequisite to being embarrassed is that you actually have to care.
By Jeff Haney
Mon, Apr 14, 2008 (2 a.m.)
For some reason, I had always been a defender of the Las Vegas sports betting scene.
Sure, there was room for improvement in some areas. But I figured everyone except the highest rollers had a decent number of betting options in town with just a modicum of hassles.
In a recent interview with talk-show host John Kelly on Fox Sports Radio 920-AM, I described my outlook as “generally bullish, with some reservations.”
I’ve since become a bear.
The pivotal moment came in a disgraceful incident Saturday night at Harrah’s sports book, when I tried to place wagers on three Sunday NBA games.
What transpired is really beyond words.
But I’ll try.
Lame.
Pathetic.
An abomination.
And, as I sputtered to the supervisor on duty Saturday night as my inner thesaurus was running on empty, “really bad.”
After I made the bets, the clerk printed out the three tickets. I examined them to make sure they were correct. They were. I handed over my money. He took it. He put it in the drawer.
Before the clerk handed them to me, a supervisor grabbed the tickets and walked off with them. Not a word to me. I stood there for at least two or three minutes. This is a long time when you’re just standing there with no money and no tickets to show for it. Still no explanation.
Finally, the supervisor returned and announced he was voiding all three tickets because he “didn’t like the lines” I had bet into.
This was flat-out unethical behavior by Harrah’s.
The casino was in effect dealing a “double line,” or a “one-way line.” In other words, casino officials were giving themselves the option of refusing bets on one side of the game while accepting bets on the other side.
This is not illegal, because state gaming regulations afford casinos the right to void any wager at any time for any reason whatsoever or no reason at all.
Upon further questioning, the supervisor, Travis Strege, said he was voiding the wagers because “it’s near the end of the NBA season.”
Huh?
I left Harrah’s without any betting tickets, once again thwarted in my quixotic quest to actually wager money in a Las Vegas sports book. (Boy, I’ve got a lot of nerve! Who do I think I am, trying to pull something like that?)
Strege did not directly address my contention that this was unethical behavior. (How could he possibly challenge it?)
He did agree that it was not illegal. He even explained, ever so helpfully, that the transaction does not become official until the customer is actually holding the tickets in his hand.
Gee, thanks.
So this is the kind of treatment you can expect if you bet at Harrah’s sports book and you know anything about sports or gambling.
If you’re a clueless sucker, don’t worry. Your action remains welcome at Harrah’s.
The next part of the exchange could have been taken verbatim from an episode of “The Twilight Zone:”
Strege said wagering on NBA games the night before they take place is “limited.”
OK, how limited?
Well, one-half of the usual game-day limits.
OK, what are the usual game-day limits on NBA over/unders?
Well, they are $2,000 per game.
OK, great. Since each of my wagers was below $1,000, there’s no problem, right?
Wrong. In short, I’ll get nothing and like it.
But ... but ... but ...
If you were in the vicinity of the center of the Strip Saturday night, the sharp report you might have heard was the sound of my head exploding.
It was all my fault, of course, and a mistake I’ve made many times in the past: I was acting like a logical, sentient human being in a conversation with a rank-and-file casino employee. I’ll just never learn.
Although his decision to void the wagers was wrongheaded, Strege maintained a professional demeanor even as the discussion became more pointed (it never reached the “heated” stage). It’s also to his credit he agreed to speak on the record.
This led me to believe he was likely heeding a call — directly or indirectly — from on high, from empty suits in plush offices who couldn’t “book their way out of a paper bag,” in the immortal phrase of an old friend of mine.
Just last week, a news release went out stating the company that owns Harrah’s, Caesars Palace and a bunch of other casinos will henceforth be known as “Caesars Entertainment Corp.”
Once upon a time, you see, Caesars was the most formidable name in organized gambling.
Yet as long as Harrah’s, and by extension, Caesars, run their sports book in an unethical manner, I will consider them embarrassments to Las Vegas and to the institution of legal, regulated gambling.
And for fearing the sports-betting action of a low-rolling sportswriter, I consider them embarrassments to the once-great Caesars brand.
The only problem, I suppose, is a prerequisite to being embarrassed is that you actually have to care.
Harveys is a good place to bet on sports but they really cater to the horse players. They will take some large action upwards of 4 figures, nothing out of control though. Nice writers and supervisors. Steve, the book manager, is very visible, and ready to shoot the shit with you. Great VIP viewing area but kinda small. Free drinks in the book till 6:00 or so. And they will get most games on to watch. If its not on, just ask and they will put it on. Hard Rock Cafe is 50 feet away for good to go food for the book.
They do use Caesars numbers and there is not a book at Harrahs as they put it, "no need to duplicate expenses". All the same company.
I do have a little advice on rogue numbers if you are a $500 bettor or under. Go a little down the street to Lakeside Inn. They are not a screen follower for the most part. On the Ncaa finals I found Kansas +3.5...really. Good writers and supes too. If their positions are a little unbalanced, they will take a little more. Also if you are willing to drive 30 minutes to Carson, The Fandango is GREAT for rogue numbers. Great numbers during the football season. All those big moves a couple of years ago because of a certain capper (dr.) did not move there till way later.
Just my experiences. Its in the upper 60s here in Tahoe today...going to the beach with my 3 year old daughter.
My wife and I have been here for 15 years, so if anyone needs any Tahoe info or recommendations, shoot me a line and I'd be glad to furnish any local insight. :toast:richie
They do use Caesars numbers and there is not a book at Harrahs as they put it, "no need to duplicate expenses". All the same company.
I do have a little advice on rogue numbers if you are a $500 bettor or under. Go a little down the street to Lakeside Inn. They are not a screen follower for the most part. On the Ncaa finals I found Kansas +3.5...really. Good writers and supes too. If their positions are a little unbalanced, they will take a little more. Also if you are willing to drive 30 minutes to Carson, The Fandango is GREAT for rogue numbers. Great numbers during the football season. All those big moves a couple of years ago because of a certain capper (dr.) did not move there till way later.
Just my experiences. Its in the upper 60s here in Tahoe today...going to the beach with my 3 year old daughter.
My wife and I have been here for 15 years, so if anyone needs any Tahoe info or recommendations, shoot me a line and I'd be glad to furnish any local insight. :toast:richie
Thanks and a ?
I usually like to play a dime on baseball totals so it appears Harveys will be the place. Harrah's is gracious(joke) enough to fly me out and comp a large suite, based on my table play not sports. I was there last year and was surprised to learn there are no strip joints nearby. I believe Carson City is the closest. That seems like a long drive after a day of drinking. Any idea why. Also, waht is the liklihood of Edgewood being open by the end of the month. Thanks.
I usually like to play a dime on baseball totals so it appears Harveys will be the place. Harrah's is gracious(joke) enough to fly me out and comp a large suite, based on my table play not sports. I was there last year and was surprised to learn there are no strip joints nearby. I believe Carson City is the closest. That seems like a long drive after a day of drinking. Any idea why. Also, waht is the liklihood of Edgewood being open by the end of the month. Thanks.
