'08 BETTER PITCHING STAFF TB RAYS or NY YANKS?

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BETTER pitching staff

  • '08 RAYS

    Votes: 25 92.6%
  • '08 YANKS

    Votes: 2 7.4%

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Yankees, only because of Rivera and better overall defense. But the gap is closing.
 

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Yankees, only because of Rivera and better overall defense. But the gap is closing.

This is not close. Please see below. Also, I am not sure where you are getting your defensive numbers from, but any metric shows the Rays being light years better defensively. Anyone arguing for the yanks is going purely off reputation and not on the present reality.


Team Results Win Probability Added
W L RS RA RS-RA PWINS VAR Close Bat Start Pen Tot
NYA 15 16 134 142 -8 15 0 7 - 6 -1.15 -0.60 1.25 -0.50
TB 16 13 137 118 19 16 0 6 - 6 -0.11 0.00 1.61 1.50

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Team Pitching Stats
R/G ERA FIP DER LD% GB% IF/Fly K/G BB/G HR/G HR/Fly SLG LOB%
NYA 4.58 4.56 4.14 .690 21% 46% 9% 6.4 3.4 0.9 11% .398 70%
TB 4.07 3.75 4.01 .721 18% 43% 10% 6.0 3.4 0.8 9% .361 71%

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This is not close. Please see below. Also, I am not sure where you are getting your defensive numbers from, but any metric shows the Rays being light years better defensively. Anyone arguing for the yanks is going purely off reputation and not on the present reality.


Team Results Win Probability Added
W L RS RA RS-RA PWINS VAR Close Bat Start Pen Tot
NYA 15 16 134 142 -8 15 0 7 - 6 -1.15 -0.60 1.25 -0.50
TB 16 13 137 118 19 16 0 6 - 6 -0.11 0.00 1.61 1.50



Team Pitching Stats
R/G ERA FIP DER LD% GB% IF/Fly K/G BB/G HR/G HR/Fly SLG LOB%
NYA 4.58 4.56 4.14 .690 21% 46% 9% 6.4 3.4 0.9 11% .398 70%
TB 4.07 3.75 4.01 .721 18% 43% 10% 6.0 3.4 0.8 9% .361 71%

I want to see the Rays pitchers do it for a year first. Hope they have a better team than the Yankees, but I've heard all the hype about this team for three years now.
 

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Wang is the only NYY starter who could crack the current TB DevilRay rotation.

Rivera and Chamberlin are only for sure competititors for DRays current bullpen.

It's been a long time coming for anti-YankeeFans, but this season's upcoming 84 win (at best) season should be quite satisfying to watch as Bombers annual September battle will this year be for third place in the AL East.
 

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Wang is the only NYY starter who could crack the current TB DevilRay rotation.

Rivera and Chamberlin are only for sure competititors for DRays current bullpen.

It's been a long time coming for anti-YankeeFans, but this season's upcoming 84 win (at best) season should be quite satisfying to watch as Bombers annual September battle will this year be for third place in the AL East.

With the Rays pitching staff, how many wins do you realistically think they get? I assume more than 84.
 

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answer is no brainer.

rays. even if chamberlein becomes a starter. yankees is still far behind.

and how much are yankees paying for their pitchers? MORE THAN (about twice) rays entire payroll!
 

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With the Rays pitching staff, how many wins do you realistically think they get? I assume more than 84.

They need to get healthy on offense which should be helped by return of Cliff Floyd in next week to ten days.

Then they need to let Kazmir demonstrate good health for 8 to 10 starts and trade him for a frontline 2B with big stick and relegate Iwamura to legit backup role as 3B/2B.

OR trade him for a frontline/big stick RF

Finish the second half of season with Shields, Jackson, Sonnanstine, Garza and Neimann.

Win MAYBE 85+ games, but definitely far more than their preseason Vegas TotalWin line of 73.5

DISCLOSURE...I currently have $30 invested on TB to win AL at 50x1 and am likely to add up to $100 more to that barring an unhealthy plunge in performance during month of May.
 

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My current dream trade is Kazmir to Angels for Chone Figgins, who can play OF and 2B both.
 

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They need to get healthy on offense which should be helped by return of Cliff Floyd in next week to ten days.

Then they need to let Kazmir demonstrate good health for 8 to 10 starts and trade him for a frontline 2B with big stick and relegate Iwamura to legit backup role as 3B/2B.

OR trade him for a frontline/big stick RF

Finish the second half of season with Shields, Jackson, Sonnanstine, Garza and Neimann.

Win MAYBE 85+ games, but definitely far more than their preseason Vegas TotalWin line of 73.5

DISCLOSURE...I currently have $30 invested on TB to win AL at 50x1 and am likely to add up to $100 more to that barring an unhealthy plunge in performance during month of May.

If you are counting on Cliff Floyd to help save your season, your team is screwed. He hasn't been healthy his whole career. He is a good guy though.
 

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It's almost a moot expectation.

If Floyd can come back in final 125 games and play in 90+ games with 350+ plate appearances, he'll likely provide some much needed power punch.

But that said, even if he's not available, Hinske seems fairly able to fill the role of LH RBI bat in the 5th to 7th hole.

But in that event, it increases the urgency to get a more legit frontline RF.

Secondary trade notion on my end is to deal Kazmir for Reggie Willits, a strong middle reliever and at least one AAA starter in Angel organization that is slated to hit the bigs by 2009-2010.

Really need John Lackey to either come back with inconsistent health or not come back at all this season to see my vision take better shape.
 

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It's almost a moot expectation.

If Floyd can come back in final 125 games and play in 90+ games with 350+ plate appearances, he'll likely provide some much needed power punch.

But that said, even if he's not available, Hinske seems fairly able to fill the role of LH RBI bat in the 5th to 7th hole.

But in that event, it increases the urgency to get a more legit frontline RF.

Secondary trade notion on my end is to deal Kazmir for Reggie Willits, a strong middle reliever and at least one AAA starter in Angel organization that is slated to hit the bigs by 2009-2010.

Really need John Lackey to either come back with inconsistent health or not come back at all this season to see my vision take better shape.

Erwin Santana is throwing a wrench in your plans. Willits would be a very nice fit.
 

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Ayuh...ErSan not doing his part which we had forecasted as 2-4 record with a 5+ ERA by this point.

Angels in town starting tomorrow so the brass from both teams should be able to enjoy some late night drinking trade chat games.
 

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If we give them a Mulligan for the 3games at Fenway, the current DRays starters past 78 IP have come in at a solid 1.96 ERA
 

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Yanks just need to finally loosen up the purse strings and get some good pitching. :nohead:
 

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5-10-08:

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Nice outtong by KAZ, 6 IP 6 K's 0 ER's/R's
 

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I want to know who the other person was to vote the Yankees.
 

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