Biggest waste of talent?

I have a few guys who had solid careers but nothing like they could have been usually do to injuries

Was reading in the NY Post about Derrick Coleman who had career AVG of 18 and 10, they said he was a bust because he coulda been a great great player

C Webb coulda been dominant like KG if not for injuries

In Baseball Wood and Prior come to mind

Foots has Ryan Leaf!!! kidding guy just wasnt that good

who else?

FairWarning said:

Far bigger underachievers than DC. Here's three:

Kwame Brown
Benoit Benjamin
Stanley Roberts

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Kwame is not really an underachiever, he never played college ball and only excelled in high school against little guys
if he was in college he would have been exposed for the avg player he is

if he was drafter 18th overall no one would remember his name

Biggamer3 said:

Kwame is not really an underachiever, he never played college ball and only excelled in high school against little guys
if he was in college he would have been exposed for the avg player he is

if he was drafter 18th overall no one would remember his name

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Wasn't he the #1 pick in the draft? Here is his bio from NBADraft.net, who projected him #1:

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Kwame Brown 7-0 250 PF Glynn Academy (Brunswick, GA) HS Sr. -- A freak. Kevin Garnett clone. Amazingly fluid athlete with great run/jump athleticism. A guard in a big man's body. Can run the floor, handles the ball like a small forward, passes extremely well. [/FONT][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Was a guard early in his basketball career and learned to play on the perimeter before a late growth spurt. Upside is immense. Has more pure athleticism than Curry, but due to Curry's raw strength and the Shaq dilemma, he may go after Baby Shaq. Possibly a bigger, better, smarter version of Chris Webber.

Another big bust was Eddie Griffin.
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nfl

Tony Mandarich
Tim Couch
Rick Mirer
Akili Smith
Charles Rogers
Heath Shuler
Lawrence Phillips

a few that come to mind.

Betting Food Stamps said:

nfl

Tony Mandarich
Tim Couch
Rick Mirer
Akili Smith
Charles Rogers
Heath Shuler
Lawrence Phillips

a few that come to mind.

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In the NFL, the QB is a very hard position to compare if College Football equates to the NFL.

Its more than likely most of the QB busts you mentioned werent squandered talents but mis evaluated ones (if there is such a word)

FairWarning said:

Wasn't he the #1 pick in the draft? Here is his bio from NBADraft.net, who projected him #1:

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Kwame Brown 7-0 250 PF Glynn Academy (Brunswick, GA) HS Sr. -- A freak. Kevin Garnett clone. Amazingly fluid athlete with great run/jump athleticism. A guard in a big man's body. Can run the floor, handles the ball like a small forward, passes extremely well. [/FONT][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Was a guard early in his basketball career and learned to play on the perimeter before a late growth spurt. Upside is immense. Has more pure athleticism than Curry, but due to Curry's raw strength and the Shaq dilemma, he may go after Baby Shaq. Possibly a bigger, better, smarter version of Chris Webber.

Another big bust was Eddie Griffin.
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Sure he was #1 but no one ever saw him play HS ball except a few scouts

No NBA fan ever saw this guy play well. EVER

Richard Dumas- Phoenix Suns

i think were confusing 'bust' with 'waste of talent'. big difference imo. guys like couch and shuler were busts. but not exactly huge wastes of talent.

lawrence phillips is an excellent example of WOT

bigtendominator said:

Richard Dumas- Phoenix Suns

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Wow, there is a name from the past.

Chris Washburn
Len Bias
Rod Strickland
Roy Tarpley
Lloyd Daniels
Fat John Williams
Art Schlichter
Jeff George
Jennifer Capriati
Stephon Marbury
Dwight Gooden
Darryl Strawberry
Jason (black, non-murderer) Williams

Lawrence Phillips, Derrick Coleman, Stanley Roberts (already mentioned)

"Pearl" Washington. Syracuse guard, could have been great.

fhm:

great call on stephon marbury.
in terms of pure talent, he is better than chris paul. hes probably the most gifted point guard in the league. unfortunately, and its sad, but hes not even in the conversation when it comes to best PGs

Dsethi said:

if Jordan didn't have a hand in managing the beginning of Kwame's career he'd have been an all-star at least twice in his first 9 years in the league

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Dont know how you can say such a thing

He has been with different teams, and you are blaming MJ for his career suckage?

Lets face it Kwame was just all hype no game simple as that

Never did he come even close to All Star form

len bias
john daly

fhmesq44 said:

Wow, there is a name from the past.

Chris Washburn
Len Bias
Rod Strickland
Roy Tarpley
Lloyd Daniels
Fat John Williams
Art Schlichter
Jeff George
Jennifer Capriati
Stephon Marbury
Dwight Gooden
Darryl Strawberry
Jason (black, non-murderer) Williams

Lawrence Phillips, Derrick Coleman, Stanley Roberts (already mentioned)

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Great list man

Darryl and Doc are at the absolute top of this list, dont know how i forgot them

No rookie will EVER replicate Docs first two seasons:


Year Ag Tm Lg W L G GS CG SHO GF SV IP H R ER HR BB SO HBP WP BFP IBB BK ERA *lgERA *ERA+ WHIP
+--------------+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+--+------+----+----+----+---+----+----+---+---+-----+---+---+-----+-----+----+-----+
1984 19 NYM NL 17 9 31 31 7 3 0 0 218.0 161 72 63 7 73 276 2 3 879 2 7 2.60 3.56 137 1.073 MVP-15,CYA-2,RoY-1,AS
1985 20 NYM NL 24 4 35 35 16 8 0 0 276.7 198 51 47 13 69 268 2 6 1065 4 2 1.53 3.49 228 0.965 MVP-4,CYA-1,AS
1986 21 NYM NL 17 6 33 33 12 2 0 0 250.0 197 92 79 17 80 200 4 4 1020 3 4 2.84 3.58 126 1.108 CYA-7,AS
1987 22 NYM NL 15 7 25 25 7 3 0 0 179.7 162 68 64 11 53 148 2 1 730 2 1 3.21 3.80 119 1.197 CYA-5
1988 23 NYM NL 18 9 34 34 10 3 0 0 248.3 242 98 88 8 57 175 6 5 1024 4 5 3.19 3.25 102 1.204 AS
1989 24 NYM NL 9 4 19 17 0 0 1 1 118.3 93 42 38 9 47 101 2 7 497 2 5 2.89 3.26 113 1.183
1990 25 NYM NL 19 7 34 34 2 1 0 0 232.7 229 106 99 10 70 223 7 6 983 3 3 3.83 3.76 98 1.285 MVP-14,CYA-4
1991 26 NYM NL 13 7 27 27 3 1 0 0 190.0 185 80 76 12 56 150 3 5 789 2 2 3.60 3.65 101 1.268
1992 27 NYM NL 10 13 31 31 3 0 0 0 206.0 197 93 84 11 70 145 3 3 863 7 1 3.67 3.47 95 1.296
1993 28 NYM NL 12 15 29 29 7 2 0 0 208.7 188 89 80 16 61 149 9 5 866 1 2 3.45 4.05 117 1.193
1994 29 NYM NL 3 4 7 7 0 0 0 0 41.3 46 32 29 9 15 40 1 2 182 1 0 6.31 4.18 66 1.476
1996 31 NYY AL 11 7 29 29 1 1 0 0 170.7 169 101 95 19 88 126 9 9 756 4 1 5.01 5.00 100 1.506
1997 32 NYY AL 9 5 20 19 0 0 0 0 106.3 116 61 58 14 53 66 7 8 472 1 0 4.91 4.48 91 1.589
1998 33 CLE AL 8 6 23 23 0 0 0 0 134.0 135 59 56 13 51 83 9 3 580 0 0 3.76 4.75 126 1.388
1999 34 CLE AL 3 4 26 22 0 0 0 0 115.0 127 90 80 18 67 88 9 4 532 3 0 6.26 5.02 80 1.687
2000 35 TOT 6 5 27 14 0 0 3 2 105.0 119 64 55 23 44 55 3 5 467 3 0 4.71 4.86 103 1.552</pre>

JD Drew, this guy was supposed to be great, and is just average.

well kwame was one of the best acquisitions for the lakers recently, without his expiring contract no way they get gasol.

Brock Landers said:

JD Drew, this guy was supposed to be great, and is just average.

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The Boras hype machine at its best

fhmesq44 said:

Wow, there is a name from the past.

Chris Washburn
Len Bias
Rod Strickland
Roy Tarpley
Lloyd Daniels
Fat John Williams
Art Schlichter
Jeff George
Jennifer Capriati
Stephon Marbury
Dwight Gooden
Darryl Strawberry
Jason (black, non-murderer) Williams

Lawrence Phillips, Derrick Coleman, Stanley Roberts (already mentioned)

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Disagree on Strawberry. Darryl was still a star.

Marbury and Phillips are the 2 biggest wastes of talent.

Dsethi said:

Jordan and Collins ruined Kwame's psyche. And by ruined I mean ruined. They sent an 18 year old so far back with the shit they pulled that I'm shocked he's still in the league. Don't forget the injuries he's sustained as well.

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dont buy it

if you want to be an NBA player you better be able to handle criticism

Give me one example where MJ or Collins "ruined" Kwame