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I DIDNT RIGHT THIS IT WAS A POSTER BY THE NAME OF ARIZONA BOUND. (THANKS FOR INFO)

I stop in at the RX on occassion, primarily to see what the touts are heavily favoring so I can either go against or jump off a play that there is a heavy consensus on. I decided to back date the tout consensus (started this about 2 weeks ago a little each day) and found that fading the touts heavy consensus can be very profittable. NO explanation as to why it works out but these numbers do not lie:

Fading strong consensus of touts in MLB since day 1 has produced approximately 90 winners and 77 losers (54%). 54% is good but not great. However, peel the onion a little further:

Of the 167 games all but 13 were DOGS. The 13 favs never had a juice over -120 and average less than -110.

The 90W and 77L equate to nearly $2600 profit if betting $100 per game

If you adjust the record based on a standard of -110 juice vs the profit you will see that the record is at 60% equivalent. I will also note that I rounded DOWN on every play so that this is a LOW estimate. Realistically you could have profitted at least 10cents extra on each of the 90 winners which would have netted more like $3500 or 62% equivalent.

Let me qualify this by saying my definition of a heavy consensus is based on
1. At least 2:1 touts on one side
2. Must be at least a 5 tout difference (8-4 is double but not more than 5 so does not qualify, but 8-3 does)
3. No more than 5 touts on the other side even if rule 1 and 2 apply. So 13-6 would not qualify under the 3rd criteria although it does pass the first two.

These were guidelines I attempted to follow. I ignored who the touts were and what their track record was, hell I don't know who more than a few are anyway.
I decided to do this for a couple reasons:

1. Noticed at another site that people were fading a heavy wagerline consensus with success....so why not the touts
2. Seemed everytime there was a lot of "touting" for a play it ended up losing.
3. My own curiousity and thought it might be a tool to help me make a final decision on a play. I can say it has saved me money by being armed with this information.

One last thing, there were a few days where the information was not available (the site I pulled the info did not do the tally and I did not take the time to do one myself), but I can tell you it is VERY accurate and a solid snapshot and a large enough sample to make some conclusions.

Sorry to take up so much space but I thought it was info worth sharing.

Best of luck with you plays RX


THE PLAYS TONIGHT WENT 4-0. THIS IS YOUR CLASSIC FADE BUT HE HAS PUT RULES TO IT WHICH MAKE ALOT OF SENSE. I AM GOING TO TRACK THIS FOR A MINUTE AND SEE HOW IT WORKS. IT ACTAULLY KEPT ME OFF OF TORONTO, PLAYED HOUSTON AND FLORIDA. LAA WON AND MIL WON. JUST PASSING THIS INFO IF ANYBODY DIDNT CATCH IT IN THE SERVICE THREAD.<!-- / message -->
 

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That is pretty much what Furmanski does if he has time. It sure seems like it is working. I know when the touts were on a certain game in the NCAA tourney and Big Bookie needed the other side it was cash.
 

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Smoke/Quinn,
Yeah I have to give most of the credit to Furmanski and a former poster at the rx the credit for pointing this out during cbb season. I have started out losing more than winning this year in bases myself so I decided to go back and track this. A lot of credit also goes to the posters at another forum who tally this info up everyday (I simply do not have the time or inclenation to do so).

Yes, last night was a perfect example of blindly following this strategy would have netted 4 wins and zero losses. All 4 were small dogs or even money which is even better when you have less risk than if playing -150 or greater favs.

Best of luck RX on your plays.

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Sorry Arizona I wasn't trying to sound like an ass. It seems like a solid angle to make plays and limit them which is very crucial to money management.
 

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Sorry Arizona I wasn't trying to sound like an ass. It seems like a solid angle to make plays and limit them which is very crucial to money management.

I didn't think you sounded like an ass at all brah. I was just given credit where it was due. You asked a good question and I wanted to get back with you. Take care.

AZ
 

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I have not seen them posted here but I am not here often. I stop in and get them elsewhere but they can be copied and pasted with little effort. Not going to advertise where they come from but most around here know where to find them if they want them.
 

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I have no idea where to find them and I don't want you to advertise here either so how can I find out
 

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ask the mods for Arizona Bound's email address or ask them to give YOUR email to Arizona, and perhaps if he has time he will privately let you know where to find them (only thing missing from this forum is a PM system)...just my two cents, not saying AB will do this, but it is worth asking.....and if u DO get the answer, let me know Drunkn 247!!!!
 

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I have not seen them posted here but I am not here often. I stop in and get them elsewhere but they can be copied and pasted with little effort. Not going to advertise where they come from but most around here know where to find them if they want them.

Can you give us some initials?
I think I tried the ones I know but no luck.
I may have just not looked in the right spot.
Or if you don't want to post the site or its initials shoot me an e-mail user name @yahoo.com
TIA
 

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The service forums copy back and forth from each other so the info is the same, the players are just different. The difference is over there they elect to do a tally of the touts. I am not advocating one over the other, but there you can find this info on most days.
 
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I am trying to work on something for baseball that will give us a better idea of where to play the "fades". Obviously baseball is the only sport where the ML is more exclusively bet (vs. Football and Basketball).

For example, it is hard to play a lot of the fades that are +200 or more simply because they dont come through on a consistent basis.

I would be afraid that by playing 10 games for $100 each at +200 as fades may yield only, say 3 winners which would yield a loss of $400.

However, if we can play "fades" in the range of say -130 to +150, it might come in at a much higher average.

Just my thoughts fellas.
 

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can the tout tally be more than 5 on 1 side. or does have to be exactly a difference of 5. or as long as its more than 5.
 

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so far its one game that shapes up with the right criteria for tonight and thats Texas. A few others are close and may get there by later but as of right now its one game in bases and of course the spurs in baskets if your doing this for that.
 

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there are two more plays i believe with this. its the mets and st louis so along with texas and pitt almost a play. im watching the mets game because of my man douglas trends but im playing Pitt, Texas, and watch st louis
 

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can the tout tally be more than 5 on 1 side. or does have to be exactly a difference of 5. or as long as its more than 5.


No...there are no real numbers as far as how many touts are on one side. Normally you will see it stick out. i.e. 12 touts on Team A, and 2 on Team B.

This isnt an exact science by any means, just merely an additional tool.
 

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I DIDNT RIGHT THIS IT WAS A POSTER BY THE NAME OF ARIZONA BOUND. (THANKS FOR INFO)

I stop in at the RX on occassion, primarily to see what the touts are heavily favoring so I can either go against or jump off a play that there is a heavy consensus on. I decided to back date the tout consensus (started this about 2 weeks ago a little each day) and found that fading the touts heavy consensus can be very profittable. NO explanation as to why it works out but these numbers do not lie:

Fading strong consensus of touts in MLB since day 1 has produced approximately 90 winners and 77 losers (54%). 54% is good but not great. However, peel the onion a little further:

Of the 167 games all but 13 were DOGS. The 13 favs never had a juice over -120 and average less than -110.

The 90W and 77L equate to nearly $2600 profit if betting $100 per game

If you adjust the record based on a standard of -110 juice vs the profit you will see that the record is at 60% equivalent. I will also note that I rounded DOWN on every play so that this is a LOW estimate. Realistically you could have profitted at least 10cents extra on each of the 90 winners which would have netted more like $3500 or 62% equivalent.

Let me qualify this by saying my definition of a heavy consensus is based on
1. At least 2:1 touts on one side
2. Must be at least a 5 tout difference (8-4 is double but not more than 5 so does not qualify, but 8-3 does)
3. No more than 5 touts on the other side even if rule 1 and 2 apply. So 13-6 would not qualify under the 3rd criteria although it does pass the first two.

These were guidelines I attempted to follow. I ignored who the touts were and what their track record was, hell I don't know who more than a few are anyway.
I decided to do this for a couple reasons:

1. Noticed at another site that people were fading a heavy wagerline consensus with success....so why not the touts
2. Seemed everytime there was a lot of "touting" for a play it ended up losing.
3. My own curiousity and thought it might be a tool to help me make a final decision on a play. I can say it has saved me money by being armed with this information.

One last thing, there were a few days where the information was not available (the site I pulled the info did not do the tally and I did not take the time to do one myself), but I can tell you it is VERY accurate and a solid snapshot and a large enough sample to make some conclusions.

Sorry to take up so much space but I thought it was info worth sharing.

Best of luck with you plays RX


THE PLAYS TONIGHT WENT 4-0. THIS IS YOUR CLASSIC FADE BUT HE HAS PUT RULES TO IT WHICH MAKE ALOT OF SENSE. I AM GOING TO TRACK THIS FOR A MINUTE AND SEE HOW IT WORKS. IT ACTAULLY KEPT ME OFF OF TORONTO, PLAYED HOUSTON AND FLORIDA. LAA WON AND MIL WON. JUST PASSING THIS INFO IF ANYBODY DIDNT CATCH IT IN THE SERVICE THREAD.<!-- / message -->


once again another poster posting wrong or false info.

the plays from the tally tonight were as follows

minny 8-1 = texas play winner
mil 8-0 = pitt play loser
atlanta 13-2= mets play loser
lad 8-0 = cincy play pending
arizona 11-5 = florida play winner

looks like a 2-2 night with one pending. This system works alot better in football and colleeg baskets for some reason.
 

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This info was posted yesterday. He said the plays from yesterday went 4-0. Why don't you read a little more carefully before telling someone they are wrong. The fact that Florida and Texas were in the +130 to +150 range makes up for the 50% win rate (Cincy pending).

Great analysis from Arizona Bound with strong guidelines. I backtested similiar guidelines for a two week stretch for the service play forum, but it didn't produce anything special for the time I tested it. Thanks for sharing AB.
 

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once again another poster posting wrong or false info.

the plays from the tally tonight were as follows

minny 8-1 = texas play winner
mil 8-0 = pitt play loser
atlanta 13-2= mets play loser
lad 8-0 = cincy play pending
arizona 11-5 = florida play winner

looks like a 2-2 night with one pending. This system works alot better in football and colleeg baskets for some reason.


Win rates will be lower for sure, but the added juice in our favor will make up for it.
 
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