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Cubs pulling another heist?

Brokers say team is selling top seats for Sox series through stubhub.com


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<!-- Article By Line -->BY GREG COUCH Sun-Times Columnist
<!-- Article's First Paragraph --><!-- BlogBurst ContentStart --><!--dropstart-->You think Cubs-Sox tickets are hard to come by? Nah. Sure, if you sent an e-mail to Brian Garza in the Cubs' ticket office Wednesday, you got one of those automatic replies, saying he was out of the office but that ''we do not have any ticket availability,'' for the Sox series.<!--dropend-->
Don't fret. Just swing over to stubhub.com, where plenty of tickets are available. Not cheap, though. For Friday's game at Wrigley Field, for example, you could get up to five infield club box seats in Section 19 for $706 apiece.
At least, those tickets were there Wednesday afternoon. Four others in Section 19 were going for $541 apiece. Two seats in Section 19 were for $818 apiece, and another two, same section, same price. Want just one ticket? Section 19, $373.
''Anything in Section 19 definitely came from the Cubs,'' a legal ticket broker, who asked to remain anonymous, said Wednesday. ''These seats are coming right out of their box office to StubHub.''
Well, I'll admit that it's never a good combination for Average Joe when you mix the hottest ticket in town with an organization that set up a dummy ticket-scalping operation a few years ago for the purpose of skirting the laws to run a bait-and-switch scam against their loyal fans.
But we really have no way of knowing where those tickets on StubHub came from. And the three people I e-mailed or called with the Cubs on Wednesday didn't get back to me.
''We know where the tickets come from,'' the broker said, citing professional knowledge. And he then ran through the available tickets on the site, saying the ones in Sections 4, 6, 7, 19, 25, 26, 36-38 and 122 were all Cubs. Plenty of other seats in other sections, he said, were coming from season-ticket holders.
Believe him or not. He was the third broker to call or write me the last few days, wanting to point out what the Cubs were doing.
The thing is, we just can't tell anymore. The ticketing laws have all changed in the last five years since the Cubs tried to slip Wrigley Field Premium Tickets past you.
The Cubs were the test case. And when a judge ruled in their favor in a class-action suit that Cubs fans filed against their team, everyone followed their path into the scalping business.
Who can tell?
So are the Cubs now secretly going online with their tickets, printing one price on them, advertising that price to you and then never offering them to you at that price? Could be. They already tried to do this secretly once before, pretending they didn't own their scalping office.
More likely, they are selling these tickets to Premium, which is selling them on StubHub. That way, the tickets actually are being resold, one of the tenants of the ticket-brokering laws.
But we can't tell. Thanks to the Cubs, their high-dollar lawyers and a wrongheaded judge, Sophia Hall, the ticket-scalping industry is booming, with prices going way, way up.
The Sox are scalping tickets on their Web site. Major League Baseball got into the scalping business when MLB Advanced Media bought Tickets.com.
If you don't remember what happened five years ago, it went something like this. The Cubs, after fighting off ticket scalpers for years, saying they were draining the ticket supply and raising ticket prices for Cubs fans, decided to jump into the business themselves.
State law said you could broker tickets, but not to an event you were putting on. So the Cubs could not broker Cubs tickets. So they set up Premium, a dummy company, prettied it up and sold the idea that the Cubs didn't own Premium, but Tribune Co. did. Tribune owns the Cubs, as you know.
The Cubs told you their games were sold out, that their was no availability, and then shipped the tickets to their scalping office to resell to you. By then, Average Joe had been priced out, or tapped out.
Read it and weep
I remember talking to a machinist who said he had slept the night in his Buick for tickets, only to be told the games were sold out. And then to find out he had been lied to. A cab driver told about trying to get tickets for his family, but then only being able to afford the scalped prices for him and his daughter, then vowing never to go to a game again.
The story died down because the judge said it was all legal. But that didn't mean the Cubs stopped the dirty stuff. And it all came rushing back with the potential of more sneaky stuff on StubHub.
Are the Cubs hiding from their own prices, selling their own tickets anonymously? We can't tell for sure. We can't tell who's doing the scamming anymore.
But if you drop $700 a ticket for this weekend, you might wonder why that ticket says $50 or $60.
Why? The Cubs fought for the right to do it.
GREG COUCH
 

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5starbomb, you have any tix for the Cubs series this weekend, specifically tomorrow?

Anyone else for that matter?
 
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anyone trying to catch a game next friday night? cubs-sox at us cellular.
 

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5starbomb, you have any tix for the Cubs series this weekend, specifically tomorrow?

Anyone else for that matter?

Just make sure you get the tickets in hand before giving him money.:103631605
 

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cubs a bore fest, IVe always hated that team. Loved it when that fan caught the foul ball.
 

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Another example of why the team has been losers for the last 90 years, and will continue to be. Boy, was it fun watching the imbeciles who took over Trop park last night have it handed to them when Percival snuck that curve by Fuk u for strike 3.

Kinda like what the Cubs are trying to do to their fans.
 

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Brock - that is a non-story. They have been doing it for five years minimum now, and the State of Illinois backs them. Unbelievable. Main reason they do it is to sell premium tickets and not pay the other team their cut.

Cubs Win Ticket Scalping Lawsuit

Judge: Team Did Not Violate Law

POSTED: 12:20 pm CST November 24, 2003
UPDATED: 11:07 pm CST November 24, 2003


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</td></tr></tbody></table> Hall also said that neither had engaged in any bait-and-switch tactics to lure fans, as claimed by plaintiffs.The plaintiffs were seeking refunds and damages for everyone who purchased tickets from Premium from April 2002 to May 15, 2003.Attorneys for the Cubs said Wrigley Field Premium Ticket Services Inc. was a separate subsidiary of the Tribune Company, which owns the Cubs, and was legally engaging in the resale of tickets to Cubs home games."It is undisputed that Tribune Company owns the ball club and Premium," the judge said. The Ticket Scalping Act, she said, did not prohibit a single entity like the Tribune Company from owning a sports team and a ticket brokerage, or the team from selling its tickets to its sister company.Most importantly, the judge said, plaintiffs failed "to prove that the business relationship between them violates any law or violates custom or practice."Hall added that the state legislature could address any public concern about such relationships between a sports franchise and a ticket broker. She said the court was bound by the law as it is written now.Plaintiff attorney Paul Bauch said he was disappointed by the ruling, but said he would analyze Hall's decision before he considered whether to file an appeal.Bauch maintained that had many of the tickets not been turned over to Premium to be sold at higher prices, they would have been sold to fans at face value."We continue to believe this type of conduct is not permitted. We'll have to study the court's ruling and determine whether or not there's anything that we can do," Bauch said.When asked for the overall impact of the ruling, Bauch said, "I think it'll mean higher prices and less tickets for the fans.""Fans win because those who purchased tickets on the secondary market have a better source to buy tickets from, at better prices," James A. Klenk, the lead attorney representing the Cubs and Premium said after the hearing.He declined further comment.During the week long trial in mid-August, the Cubs argued the suit was filed to benefit rival brokers who want to eliminate competition from Premium.Plaintiffs' attorneys in the suit, which was filed last November, argued that Premium was not reselling tickets at all. Instead the Cubs placed prime seats with Premium, a "shell corporation" to sell them at more than face value. These actions violated both Illinois ticket scalping and consumer fraud laws, the suit alleged.During the trial, Bauch said since the 2002 season, the Cubs engaged in "accounting gimmicks" and other trickery to skirt state law prohibiting the owner of a ball club from selling tickets at any price other than the face value."Premium Tickets is simply acting as a front, or alter-ego instrumentality to allow the Cubs to sell tickets at above face value," Bauch said. "The whole purpose of setting up Premium Tickets was as a way of evading the law."When it opened for business inside a Tribune-owned building about a block from the ballpark, the Cubs provided numerous services to Premium, including television commercials, no-cash rent, and accounting services, Bauch said."The evidence shows complete domination of Premium Tickets by the Cubs," Bauch said. "The Cubs dominated this corporation. They did a good job setting it up and making it look separate."Current Premium President Dan Guza, a former employee of the Cubs ticket offices, testified during the trial that he was general manager of the brokerage in 2002, before becoming president at the start of the current season. But Bauch said it was Mark McGuire, Cubs assistant vice president of Business Operations, and other team brass that called the shots."It's undisputed that Mr. McGuire was the master mind. It was his brain child," Bauch said. "Mr. Guza, the putative general manager, had no authority under the agreement for 2002."The key dispute in the case, Bauch argued, was whether the team "sold" tickets to Premium or "placed" tickets with the brokerage.But Klenk said that by definition, a sale takes place whenever an asset changes ownership for a price, and that the plaintiffs' arguments carry no weight. "The purchase was funded and paid for with Tribune money through an inter-company account," Klenk said. "I'm afraid that's how business is done in America. The evidence shows this is a sale."The Cubs and Tribune Company financial records are audited by several third parties including Major League Baseball, none of which was concerned by the ticket transaction, he said."We're not in the business of cooking the books and making sham transactions. Our business is following the law," Klenk said.Fans are not harmed by the presence of Premium in the crowded resale marketplace, but rather helped because the added competition drives down prices and because Premium offers returns and other benefits not available from other brokers, Klenk said."There is a segment of Cub fans who use ticket brokers," Klenk said. "They need ticket brokers because they don't like to stand in line.""It is not a fraud to provide better products at better prices to the public, better products to Cub fans who buy tickets on the secondary market," Klenk said. "Why are we here? We're here because the ticket brokers don't like our business."Klenk recalled the testimony of Peter Cavoto Jr., the first plaintiff in the case, who testified that he was directed to Premium by his was friend Richard Mark Hamid, owner of a rival broker who filed the initial complaint against Premium."He's the only alter-ego I've found in this case," Klenk said of Cavoto. "He's completely under the control of Mr. Hamid." Previous Stories:
 

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From what I've been told (don't want to go 5 Star Bum on the forum) there are 6 main scalpers here. One I know said people would be bringing him their 1st born if the Cubs made it to the World Series. Even though the season is 98/99% sold out for the season, I can get very good free ticks for any game not considered of the premium variety (Cards/WSox/Yanks etc). Scalpers in this town make a KILLING! And any Cubs tickets that they acquire before the season, before the public has a chance to purchase, they WILL be fully refunded for if they don't sell them all for whatever reason. It's a gold mine of a biz.

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From what I've been told (don't want to go 5 Star Bum on the forum) there are 6 main scalpers here. One I know said people would be bringing him their 1st born if the Cubs made it to the World Series. Even though the season is 98/99% sold out for the season, I can get very good free ticks for any game not considered of the premium variety (Cards/WSox/Yanks etc). Scalpers in this town make a KILLING! And any Cubs tickets that they acquire before the season, before the public has a chance to purchase, they WILL be fully refunded for if they don't sell them all for whatever reason. It's a gold mine of a biz.

The city that works

I live 90 minutes away and the Cubs say I don't live in their market. Yet 2-3 weeks before the "official" day the tix go on sale, they are all over eBay, from everywhere.
 

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People need to wake up and realize these teams don't care about you. Like any other corporation in America all they care about is money. If the Cubs (or any other organization) can make a few extra million this way, they will do it in a heartbeat and could care less what the average fan thinks.
 

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anyone trying to catch a game next friday night? cubs-sox at us cellular.

Cleo if you're gonna be there, i'll try to make it and put down a few with ya.

Actually nevermind...i just realized you're talking cubs/sox...i'm not paying premium prices to see 2 teams i don't really care about.
 

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People need to wake up and realize these teams don't care about you. Like any other corporation in America all they care about is money. If the Cubs (or any other organization) can make a few extra million this way, they will do it in a heartbeat and could care less what the average fan thinks.


yeah, i've been a cubs fan my whole life, but i say F them on this ticket issue.

the entire ticket business (ticketmaster included) is in need of reform. why don't the presidential candidates talk about this issue and how it affects the little guy? let's have congressional hearings.
 

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5starbomb, you have any tix for the Cubs series this weekend, specifically tomorrow?

Anyone else for that matter?


No I can get you face value for any series besides the crosstown classic. I wish I could get them cheap. I am going to the Cell next wknd though, buddy landed 6 tickets for face when tix went on sale
 

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No I can get you face value for any series besides the crosstown classic. I wish I could get them cheap. I am going to the Cell next wknd though, buddy landed 6 tickets for face when tix went on sale
kickass, i'll look you up!
 

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theyre gonna get scalped anyway
the cubs may as well get fair market value for them

Then just price them like the NBA does with courtside seats. The reason they don't is they don't want to share that revenue with the visiting teams, who get 30% of the ticket price.

Here's an idea. Let the fans have an attempt to buy some before they go to the scumbag scalpers.
 

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there is one main scalper and it is the company that owns the cubs. I look for this to spread to other teams, unfortunately.
 

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