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speculation would push prices to fundamental level, lawmakers told



By Rex Nutting & Michael Kitchen, MarketWatch
Last update: 4:24 p.m. EDT June 23, 2008
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WASHINGTON (MarketWatch) -- The price of retail gasoline could fall by half, to around $2 a gallon, within 30 days of passage of a law to limit speculation in energy-futures markets, four energy analysts told Congress on Monday.


Testifying to the House Energy and Commerce Committee, Michael Masters of Masters Capital Management said that the price of oil would quickly drop closer to its marginal cost of around $65 to $75 a barrel, about half the current $135.
Fadel Gheit of Oppenheimer & Co., Edward Krapels of Energy Security Analysis and Roger Diwan of PFC Energy Consultants agreed with Masters' assessment at a hearing on proposed legislation to limit speculation in futures markets.
Krapels said that it wouldn't even take 30 days to drive prices lower, as fund managers quickly liquidated their positions in futures markets.
"Record oil prices are inflated by speculation and not justified by market fundamentals," according to Gheit. "Based on supply and demand fundamentals, crude-oil prices should not be above $60 per barrel."
Futures trading in London has not been a major factor in rising oil prices, testified Sir Bob Reid, chairman of the Chairman of London-based ICE Futures Europe. Rising prices are largely a function of fundamental supply and demand, not manipulation or speculation, he said.
"Energy speculation has become a growth industry and it is time for the government to intervene," said Rep. John Dingell, D-Mich., chairman of the full committee. "We need to consider a full range of options to counter this rapacious speculation." It was Dingell's strongest statement yet on the role of speculators.
<TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=9 width=135 align=left border=0><TBODY><TR><TD align=left>There has been much discussion recently about how big a role speculators have been playing in the sharp rise in energy prices, though no consensus has emerged on this point.
</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>Dingell introduced a bill on June 11 that would ask the Energy Department to gather the facts on energy prices, including the role played by speculators. See full story.
There are two kinds of speculators in the futures markets, Masters said. Traditional speculators are those who need to hedge because they actually take physical possession of the commodities. Index speculators, on the other hand, are merely allocating a portion of their portfolio to commodity futures.
Index speculation damages price-discovery mechanisms provided by futures markets, Masters added
The committee will likely consider legislation that would rein in index speculation by imposing higher-margin requirements; setting position limits for speculators; requiring more disclosure of positions; and preventing pension funds and investment banks from owning commodities.
Both major presidential candidates have supported closing loopholes that encourage speculation in the energy markets. Read more on Election Blog.
However, other witnesses said that pure speculators have had little impact on energy prices, which have doubled in the past year to about $135 per barrel. Both Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson and Energy Secretary Samuel Bodman have dismissed the impact of speculators on prices paid by consumers.
Speculators now account for about 70% of all benchmark crude trading on the New York Mercantile Exchange, up from 37% in 2000, said Rep. Bart Stupak, D-Mich., chairman of the investigations subcommittee. Stupak introduced a bill on Friday that would limit index speculation.
There has been much discussion recently about how big a role speculators have been playing in the sharp rise in energy prices, though no consensus has emerged on this point.
Congress, however, has grown increasingly concerned over speculative investors' role in the energy market in comparison with those buying futures contracts to hedge against risk from price changes. Lawmakers are expected to consider legislation to set strict limits -- or in some cases, an outright ban -- on speculative trading in energy futures in some markets.
Dingell is looking into any legal loopholes that may have contributed to speculation in energy markets. In 1991, according to documents provided by the Commodity Futures Trading Commission to the committee's investigators, the agency authorized the first exemption from position limits for swap dealers with no physical commodity exposure. This began what Dingell said was "a process that has enabled investment banks to accumulate enormous positions in commodity markets."
Is Congress barking up the wrong tree?
Neal Ryan, manager at Ryan Oil & Gas Partners, said that if Congress develops regulations to cut back speculative trading, speculation will just find a new home.
"Speculation is the root of capitalism," he said. "If the speculation is forced out of the U.S. exchanges, it'll simply show up on other exchanges that are OTC like the ICE, or new exchanges will pop up to allow for the spec trades to continue functioning."
Ryan said he does see a reason for Congress to look at eliminating aspects such as allowing West Texas intermediate crude oil futures to trade on foreign markets and the "Enron loophole," but "these exchanges are currently functioning as they are supposed to in a free marketplace."
The creation of a comprehensive U.S. energy policy that tackles issues of increasing domestic supply and reining in consumer demand via conservation should be Congress' focus, Ryan said. "Instead we're on bended knee begging the Saudis to put more oil on the market and talking about shutting down spec trades."
 

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I have been saying this for months. I pray they don't drop the ball and do the right thing.
 

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I think Mr. Ryan is correct. Speculators are buying oil futures because they sense that the future supply will not be able to keep up with demand, thus increasing the value of the commodity in the future. This is only a problem if the market is rigged to ensure that the speculators' investment maintains its value.
 

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So, the USA controls global supply and demand ?

I doubt oil is ever under $100 a barrel ever again, about $138.50 today, about $1 off of it's all time high price.
 

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As I've said before, you can't tell the world not to speculate, so it's pointless.

"If the speculation is forced out of the U.S. exchanges, it'll simply show up on other exchanges that are OTC like the ICE, or new exchanges will pop up to allow for the spec trades to continue functioning."

This guy gets it.
 

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I have invested in oil and gas futures + stocks for the past 60 months. Just like silver in the early 80s, greed will finally lose out. It always does.
 

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Silver in 1980, was a bit different.... There you had the billionaire Hunt brothers running it up, trying to corner the market.

You don't really consume Silver like crude oil. Silver hit $50/oz then, but very,very briefly ( maybe a day)... you don't really need Silver ( or Gold) for day to day existence, but you do need Petroleum products.
 

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Doug, no disrespect, but to me all commodities are the same. Simply a piece of paper with a price on it to gamble with. good luck
 

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Manipulation. Plain and simple.

If they keep printing more money like they have been, gas is gonna be $5-$6 everywhere here within a year or two.
 

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this is a good one, he's got some great quotes in here

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Let's say you owned a trucking company and you like to hedge your fuel costs.

Now congress says you're not allowed to speculate?

wtf?

we need to start electing business people instead of clueless politicians.

they probably think they can keep food prices down by outlawing speculation of corn futures too.

the government has no business trying to control free market prices, just ask the citizens of the old soviet union how that worked for them.

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a gallon of gas cost less than a gallon of beer (water and wheat juice)

gas is a bargin.
 

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The US is not the entire world, we cannot control demand. In fact, demand here is not that high. Many of our refinieries have stockpiles of oil and are shipping it overseas because their deamnd is higher.... The World demand is higher than ever with countries like India having more money than before.... Plus the threat of war in the middle east with Iran is driving up prices..... there is nothing a politican can do to help with gas prices.
 

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Gas will never come back down only a steady rise or level off if were lucky dont even take the time to bother readings these articles.
Too many fat cats want more money and too much turmoil around the around easy as that
 

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I don't see anyone giving up their gas pig SUV's. SUV's are the dumbest indulgence by people in this country. They are not much safer than regular cars. Unless you have a family of more than six why do you need them. They are not as fast or manuverable than a sedan. The car companies love them because they sell so many. If we were paying for gas what they pay in Europe you wouldn't see them on the road anymore. Over there people actually have a brain and buy small fuel efficient automobiles.
 

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Oil companies have reported RECORD earnings for the last 2-3 years.

Supposedly they are not enough refinaries if they were to tap the reserves.
 

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"oil" companies have had record earnings over the last few years.

why?

demand for petroleum in the U.S. is DOWN while at the same time demand in other parts of the world is UP.

So the "oil" companies are making money from other countries not on the backs of Americans.

These profits go to the owners of the "oil" companies. The "oil" companies are PUBLICLY TRADED.

These profits are what is left over AFTER the executives get paid.

No one is stopping anyone from buying XOM stock.

I could see someone complaining about big oil company profits if the public was bared from owning part of the company.

BUY OIL STOCKS AND ENJOY THE PROFITS WE MAKE FROM SELLING OIL AND GAS TO CHINA AND INDIA AND SMILE EVERY TIME AN OIL COMPANY ANNOUNCES RECORD EARNINGS FOR THE NEXT 50 YEARS.
 

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