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Will the CHICAGO BEARS WIN over or under 8 wins in 2008?

  • OVER 8 wins

    Votes: 7 20.0%
  • UNDER 8 wins

    Votes: 28 80.0%

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This one is tough IMO. I have this team as a big question mark right now. I think they have a team that can go 10-6 if the defense stays healthy and they don't lose games on offense with turnovers. They'll have good position all the time because of Hester so that will make it easier for the offense to get some points. If they take advantage of it they could have a surprisingly good year. On the other hand this team could also go 4-12 with me not being that surprised. The defense was average last season, and the offense really has nobody to talk about. I think Rex gets too much criticism, but he also is definitely not a top tier QB. Not sure I could trust Forte and Peterson with the running game either, but they could surprise.

I'm staying far away from this one. Gun to my head I play the over at plus money.
 

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The Bears and GB win totals are two of the harder ones to play. Too much uncertainity at QB for both.
 

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probably see an 8-8 season or 9-7 if lucky, too dangerous to bet and not worth the juice
 

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How aboout if they get Bret Favre?

I doubt the Packers will let Favre go to either Minny of Chicago. I believe that he's still under their control and they would be idiots to allow him to play in their division.
 

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2008: The Year in Preview

BEARS IN BOURBONNAIS | 10 story lines to follow with Bears camp set to open


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<!-- Article By Line -->BY BRAD BIGGS bbiggs@suntimes.com
<!-- Article's First Paragraph --><!-- BlogBurst ContentStart -->There's no jinx for the Bears to contend with this time around.
The Super Bowl hangover has worn off, and they won't be trying to prove they can bounce back from the Big One. Instead, they find themselves in the familiar position of hoping to pull a worst-to-first maneuver in the NFC North.
Coach Lovie Smith's Bears begin training camp this week.
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<!-- BlogBurst ContentStart -->It's a feat Lovie Smith's team achieved in his second season, when Kyle Orton started 15 games as a rookie in 2005.
It could be the team turns to Orton again, but that won't be determined until a good old-fashioned quarterback derby is held. That might not be decided until late August, but the Bears would prefer to have a decision before the third preseason game Aug. 21 against San Francisco.
The judgment process begins Wednesday with the first practice of training camp at Olivet Nazarene University in Bourbonnais, Ill.
A sometimes bumpy offseason was highlighted by the re-signing of two perennial Pro Bowl players on defense -- tackle Tommie Harris and linebacker Lance Briggs -- to long-term contracts.
The Bears know the formula for success -- run the ball, play defense and create an advantage on special teams. If they can do that, a third playoff appearance in four seasons could be within reach.
Here are 10 story lines to watch in Bourbonnais:
1 * QB derby
Amid swirling rumors that the Bears might be interested in Chris Simms as a No. 3 quarterback, we still don't know who the No. 1 will be. Leave it to the Bears. Have we seen enough of the Rex Grossman show? Has Orton improved enough since going 10-5 as a rookie starter in 2005? This has been the boogeyman position forever for this franchise, and given the fact Grossman (above) is on a one-year deal and Orton is signed through 2009, no one is pretending it has been solved. The most effective quarterback last season could be the one that led the team to a come-from-behind victory at Philadelphia, Brian Griese. He's gone, and the position is a national punch line with a wide-open competition about to begin. This isn't a situation that's suddenly going to be fixed in three-plus weeks in Bourbonnais. The Bears should at least find some short-term clarity. The pressing question is, has Orton gotten good enough to take over?
2 * Defense first
The Bears plummeted to 28th in team defense last season, and it's yet to be determined if it was an injury-induced aberration or a signal that Bob Babich (above) could be on the hot seat. Injuries up the middle -- defensive tackle, linebacker and safety -- gutted the unit at times. How else do you explain the drop-off? If you say it was injuries -- and the Bears were eighth in the league in man starts lost, with the bulk coming on this side of the ball -- combined with a Super Bowl hangover, fine. If not, there could be a serious flaw. They don't have to be in the top five in the league, but if the defense is in the bottom half, this team has no chance.
3 * Urlacher saga
This could become the No. 1 story line if Brian Urlacher's contract squabble blows up. Even if he isn't in camp, Urlacher (above) will be game-ready for the regular season because he's a workout warrior. Some have been concerned about a decline because he didn't make the Pro Bowl, but at the end of last season, Urlacher was playing as well as any defensive player in the league. He didn't show any ill effects from offseason neck surgery or his back issue in minicamp. Finding a way to appease him will go a long way toward developing some positive mojo in the locker room that was sorely missing last year.
4 * Line dance
None of the other rebuilding phases on offense will be particularly successful if the overhauled line doesn't mesh. Rookie Chris Williams (above) will be the key, and his development in the coming weeks at left tackle is critical. If the first-round pick from Vanderbilt can't handle the job -- and it's no small task -- this unit will remain at least a year away. Center Olin Kreutz remains one of the NFL's best, and the good news is the organization has familiar faces that have been in the system. The question is, can Terrence Metcalf or John St. Clair show something more now that at least one of them will be called on to do something more than maintain a supporting role? John Tait should be among the top right tackles in the NFC, provided Williams fits in, and Roberto Garza is solid at right guard.
5 * Born to run
There certainly won't be a distraction this summer with disappointing running back Cedric Benson gone. Matt Forte (above) certainly won't be under pressure to exceed Benson's production. It's about replacing Thomas Jones. Remember him? Forte is a gifted runner the Bears believe is a first-round talent. It's one of the easiest positions for rookies to make an immediate impact at, and Forte will need to because newly signed Kevin Jones might not be ready at the beginning of the season in his return from a torn ACL in his right knee. Jones could prove to be a bargain find, but both backs will have to find some measure of success against eight-man fronts because you have to imagine they'll be seeing plenty of them.
6 * Hesterized
The company line is the Bears are never going to prevent Devin Hester from excelling at what he does best -- returning kicks. But there's an issue of how much he'll be used as a receiver and how that will affect his availability for special teams. Hester (above) is on a historic pace as a return man, and you can understand the desire to get the ball in his hands more. His bid for a new contract doesn't seem like it will be an issue -- he's signed through 2009 -- but the Bears are going to have to measure his use on offense vs. the potential loss of field position and points via special teams. Getting him 25-plus snaps a game on offense strikes as a great plan, and his usage during camp is worth tracking.
7 * Special stuff
The Bears took a step back on defense, at least temporarily, and have never gotten their act together on offense under Lovie Smith, but the one area you could always count on was Dave Toub's special-teams unit. There are two concerns now, topped by the dilemma involving Hester. Second, while there are a lot of potential replacements, losing Pro Bowl stalwart Brendon Ayanbadejo creates a hole on the coverage teams. A lot of guys can rack up high tackle numbers, but few can be as disruptive as Ayanbadejo. Smith is committed to special teams, and Toub (above) seems to have a knack for developing stars. Remember, Ayanbadejo had not made a Pro Bowl before coming here. By the time it's all said and done, it could be Ayanbadejo is replaced in group fashion.
8 * Catching on
Expectations are created by two things: contract status and draft position. That helps you shape your vision for the corps of receivers. None is highly paid or came highly drafted. Bernard Berrian is gone after developing into a fine deep threat, and the Bears don't have a No. 1. The question is, do they have a No. 2 or a team of No. 3s? While it looks bleak from a distance, maybe it's not as bad as some suspect. Marty Booker (above) has had success here before, and while he's not a No. 1, he replaces a possession receiver in Muhsin Muhammad. Brandon Lloyd has enjoyed brief success in the league and has a last-chance shot with his college coach, Ron Turner. He might just find himself and become one of the true bargains of the offseason. Hester has untapped potential, and receivers coach Darryl Drake singled out Rashied Davis as the most improved player during the offseason. Then you have Mark Bradley, who probably faces a final chance to prove he can stay healthy, and third-round pick Earl Bennett.
9 * True leader
Veteran Mike Brown is beloved by Bears fans for all the right reasons. He's the emotional leader of the team and an outstanding player when healthy. The Bears are 14-2 in the last 16 games he has started and haven't lost a game he has started and finished since Oct. 9, 2005, at Cleveland. But it's almost shocking the team has stuck with Brown (above) as long as it has. As much as you'd like to dismiss his injuries as happenstance and bad luck, there's a track record here. He has never had a problem making it to the regular season healthy, and his body must hold up. The question here is, do the Bears have another free safety? They claim the positions are interchangeable. Are they? Relying on him will create the ultimate reward for patience or prove to be a foolish act of wishful thinking.
10 * Great Nate
As much as Brown's absence hurt the defense, you can make a case the Bears missed cornerback Nathan Vasher more when he was out 12 games with a torn groin muscle. Vasher (above) is at full strength and should look like the Pro Bowl player he has been in the past. The defense also needs right end Mark Anderson to bounce back from a second-half slump. Alex Brown is expected to regain the starting job, and Anderson might be best served as a situational pass rusher, a role he flourished in as a rookie in 2006 with 12 sacks.
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As much as it pains me to say it (i am a bears fan), UNDER. There is a very good chance that they start the season 0-4 (indy,carolina,TB,philly). No playmakers on offense, a rookie running back trying to help keep grossman/orton upright behind a suspect offensive line. Defense should be pretty good but just do not see how the offense will be able to sustain drives and keep them off of the field.
 

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wow you people have no faith. While this seems like a great bet (and for those of you that are fans) how can you be blinded by the fact that while they're a shell of the team that made it to the superbowl, they still were just at the superbowl. Devin Hester is likely one of the only players that has such a game changing effect with the very little time needed to do so.

as far as quarterbacks.. anything can happen, kurt warner and tom brady weren't made overnight but they weren't first round picks either and while ortons an alcoholic, nick hill is a decent candidate.. but how are you going to get rid of a quarterback that was so capable in college? I hate grossman btw

but i can see the argument here but i'm goin to be a bears fan for life
 

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Bears drafting in wrong direction

Bazuin yet another bust; now O-line perilously thin

David Haugh
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September 1, 2008

It seems hard to say the Bears cut a big-name player over the weekend when the biggest name was one most fans never learned to pronounce.

Yes, cutting Dan Bazuin (Ba-ZINE) acknowledged that the Bears whiffed on a pass-rusher taken in the second round of the 2007 NFL draft. But this particular cut hurt deepest because it reminded everyone how the Bears should have used their second-round choice in '07 on a pass- protector they needed—and still need—much worse.

Recall that the Bears originally entered that draft holding the 37th overall selection in the second round courtesy of the Jets, thanks to the Thomas Jones trade. In retrospect, that was the perfect spot for a team such as the Bears looking for offensive linemen to develop.

The obvious was there and ready for them to grasp. It got away.

For example, take Texas' Justin Blalock, now the Falcons' starting left guard, who started 14 games as a rookie. He was still on the board at 37; Atlanta took him 39th. So was Arkansas' Tony Ugoh, taken three picks later. Ugoh established himself quickly for the Colts with 11 starts at the left tackle position Indianapolis expects him to anchor for years.

Instead of going for either offensive lineman, the Bears decided to get cute.

They swung a creative deal that admittedly sounds hard to resist: San Diego gave up its spots in the second round, third round and fifth round, plus a third-round choice in 2008, to move up to 37th to take safety Eric Weddle.

The Bears essentially wound up with three additional players— Garrett Wolfe with the Chargers' third-round choice, Kevin Payne with their fifth-round pick and Marcus Harrison with San Diego's third-rounder in '08. All three players remain with the Bears, with Harrison and Payne potential starters.

But Bazuin's bust makes the deal worth a second guess for Jerry Angelo.

Nothing has closed the Bears' Super Bowl window faster than their inability to establish a running game. The Bears went into 2007, and alarmingly again into this season, with razor-thin depth along the offensive line. That's due in part to decisions the Bears have made about offensive linemen on the first day of the draft, and not just ones involving left tackle Chris Williams.

Nobody saw the rapid aging of tackle Fred Miller and guard Ruben Brown coming before the '07 draft. But the Bears could have at least protected themselves.

Why not stock their offensive line with up-and-coming prospects from proven programs rather than taking a defensive end with sack stats padded by a Mid-American Conference schedule? Notre Dame's Ryan Harris, for instance, who overcame his own back issues, now is the Broncos' starting right tackle and went eight picks after Bazuin did.

The Bears won't miss the possibility of Bazuin, who was a good guy but bad pick. Once Alex Brown signed another contract extension, the Bears didn't need a project like him.

Linebacker Michael Okwo, the player taken 32 picks after Bazuin, also didn't stick around long enough for fans to figure out how to spell his name without looking.

It happens. Teams miss. That's the NFL. Cutting Bazuin and Okwo damages the Bears' reputation as talent evaluators more than it affects the season, but good for them for quickly realizing what they didn't have.

Saturday's dumping of two first-day picks from '07 surprised nobody. Keeping another second-round disappointment, receiver Mark Bradley, on the other hand, should have.

Brandon Rideau outplayed Bradley in four exhibition games, catching three touchdown passes, but got cut again, even if he was added Sunday to the practice squad. If the Bears were willing to legitimize quarterback Caleb Hanie's performance against second- and third-team defenders by sparing him, then how could they ignore what Rideau did?

Bradley is one of six wide receivers who made the roster. Add four running backs and three quarterbacks and that represents 13 of the 52 healthy players the Bears kept (Williams will occupy a roster spot) — 25 percent of the roster committed to skill-position players.

Think the Bears are worried about scoring points?

Given the continued offensive line woes, it just seems risky to carry one more running back and wide receiver and—sorry, Caleb "Hania" victims—quarterback than necessary in a power division. The 53-man roster the Bears released Saturday included six healthy offensive linemen, which will force them to pick through the NFL discard pile.

The Bears wisely protected nine defensive linemen but oddly took a less cautious approach to the other side of the trenches. Their only healthy backup, Kirk Barton, hasn't played an NFL snap. Neglect the offensive line, and the Bears are doomed to be a team that gets off the bus running for its life.

Hanie played his way onto the roster, and represents one of the best stories of the preseason. When Lovie Smith rewards players based on merit, it should be duly noted given how often he has anointed starters.

Still, keeping Hanie shows just how much the Bears are grasping in this 2008 season of development. Two weeks ago, a Bears coach privately asked to keep Hanie's progress in perspective because of the level of competition late in exhibition games. But after the Bears awarded Hanie a roster spot, the Caleb Countdown cannot be far off.

For the sake of Hanie and the Bears, count slowly.

dhaugh@tribune.com
 

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i have under 8-145 at caribsports.............good luck to all...........this one should cash eazzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzyyyyyyyyyy:nohead:
 

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September 8, 2008
Inspired team effort lifts Bears to stunning victory


By: Larry Mayer | Last Updated: 9/8/2008 2:16 AM
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INDIANAPOLIS – After insisting that the preseason had no bearing on how they would play when the games started to count in the standings, the Bears went out and proved it Sunday night in Indianapolis.
Backed by an aggressive, big-play defense and an efficient offense fueled by a power running game, the Bears shocked the Colts 29-13 in the regular season opener at Lucas Oil Stadium.
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Adewale Ogunleye (93) celebrates after tackling Joseph Addai for a safety in the Bears' 29-13 win over the Colts Sunday night in Indianapolis.</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>“I’ve said all along you get to your first game to see where you are,” said coach Lovie Smith. “Preseason [games], they don’t count. You want to go out and practice hard for every game. But behind the scenes, you’re trying to do everything you can to get ready for this first game.”
Playing like the unit that led the Bears to the Super Bowl in 2006, the defense produced a touchdown on Lance Briggs’ 21-yard fumble return, registered a safety and made a key fourth-down stop at midfield with the Bears protecting a 22-13 lead early in the fourth quarter.
Offensively, rookie Matt Forte staked the Bears to a 7-3 lead with a 50-yard touchdown run and rushed for 100 of his game-high 123 yards in the first half. Kyle Orton made several clutch throws while quarterbacking an offense that produced 183 yards rushing, converted 10 of 16 third-down opportunities and didn’t commit a turnover.
In stunning one of the NFL’s premier teams, the underdog Bears nearly reversed the score from Super Bowl XLI, when they lost to the Colts 29-17 in Miami.
“We expected to win,” middle linebacker Brian Urlacher said Sunday night. “It’s not an upset to us. We practiced hard the last two weeks getting ready for this game. We’re a good football team.”
The Bears played virtually the entire game in their nickel defense with Urlacher and Briggs on the line of scrimmage where they could blitz quarterback Peyton Manning or drop into coverage.
“You don’t see a lot of teams do that a whole game against Peyton and the Colts, but we did,” Briggs said. “We believed in our scheme. We believed in our game plan and we stuck to it. That’s what we do best. We fly around, get to the ball, create turnovers and get in the end zone.”
Briggs got in the end zone late in the third quarter after Indianapolis had cut the Bears’ lead to 15-13 on Manning’s 6-yard TD pass to Reggie Wayne. Charles Tillman stripped the ball from Marvin Harrison at the Colts’ 21 after a 5-yard reception, and Briggs scooped up the fumble and dashed into the end zone to widen the margin to 22-13.
“He left it out there and I just tried to swat it,” Tillman said. “I didn’t know Lance could run like that. He did a great job, and so did the rest of the defense blocking for him.”
Indianapolis responded by marching to the 50-yard line. But on fourth-and-one, Briggs and Adewale Ogunleye teamed up to stuff Dominic Rhodes for a two-yard loss.
Orton lofted a 26-yard completion to tight end Desmond Clark on third-and-one to the Colts’ 1, and fullback Jason McKie capped the 8-play, 48-yard drive with a 1-yard TD plunge two plays later to give the Bears a 29-13 lead with 8:56 remaining in the game.
Orton completed 13 of 21 passes for 150 yards with no touchdowns, no interceptions and an 83.4 passer rating that was slightly better than his Colts counterpart. Manning connected on 30 of 49 passes for 257 yards with 1 TD, no interceptions and an 81.8 passer rating.
“I was very impressed [with Orton],” said offensive coordinator Ron Turner. “He showed great poise and composure. He’s very even-keeled. He always is. He’s always in control of what he’s doing and he’s a very smart player.”
After Adam Vinatieri’s 39-yard field goal had given the Colts a 3-0 advantage, Forte gave the Bears a lead they would never relinquish with a 50-yard TD run. Dashing up the middle, Forte cut back brilliantly to avoid safety Antoine Bethea and outraced safety Bob Sanders to the end zone. Guard Roberto Garza buried a Colts lineman to spring Forte.
By halftime, Forte had rushed for more yards than any Bears rookie in his NFL debut.
“He did an unbelievable job for his first game,” Orton said. “He made a cut going to the right and then back to the left that was big league. He played great and didn’t seem fazed at all.”
After Vinatieri’s 34-yard field goal had drawn the Colts to within 7-6, Robbie Gould answered with a 41-yarder that gave the Bears a 10-6 lead with 4:43 left in the first half.
Chicago’s defense then asserted itself on back-to-back plays. After rookie defensive tackle Marcus Harrison sacked Manning for a 10-yard loss back to the Indianapolis 2, Ogunleye dropped Joseph Addai for a two-yard loss and a safety, widening the margin to 12-6.
The Bears defense held the Colts running game to just 53 yards on 15 carries.
“They played hard the entire time,” Smith said. “That’s what we’re used to seeing.”
After Gould’s 25-yard field goal on the final play of the first half, the Bears survived a near disaster on the second half kickoff. Devin Hester caught the ball seven yards deep in the end zone, stood still for a few seconds trying to lull the Colts to sleep and then took off. But Melvin Bullitt wasn’t fooled, and he tackled Hester at his own 3-yard line.
The Bears failed to pick up a first down, but Brad Maynard boomed a 55-yard punt. The Colts scored their only touchdown on the ensuing possession, but the Bears answered again and again.
 

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Bears defense is the one to watch here. The personnel is pretty similar to 2006 and in some areas better on paper (though a couple years older). If they can recapture what they had on defense in 2006 then they are a contender. Are Orton and Forte/K Jones worse than Grossman/T Jones & Benson? Not really. It's all about the defense. That said, it may have been a one-game wonder and Indy themselves were just not in sync. But the defense had flashes of '06. Bears went from about 7-1 to 2-1 co-favorites to win the division.
 

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