How about some examples of badly worded props ?

Doug · Jul 15, 2008

Props are always tough, words can mean different things as written. One can take stuff too literally.

I've seen some ridiculous ones.

The biggest offender ( IMO) is props that don't have a time limit:

An example would be ( before Bonds broke the HR record):

Will Barry Bonds ever break the HR record ?

Well shit, with that wording if he were stuck a few short, the bet lasts until he dies !

Will Bonds play again ?

When does NO win ?

when he dies ? He could play one game five years from now.

-Slim- · Jul 15, 2008

slow day huh?

fhmesq44 · Jul 15, 2008

not really poorly worded, but what the hell are these bets?

<table class="module" rgfloat="440,600" border="0" bordercolor="#111111" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" width="800"><tbody><tr style="height: 28px;" bgcolor="#f6f6f6" valign="bottom"><td colspan="8" nowrap="nowrap"><cite>graded at the end of the inning, any scoring changes after the inning is complete will not be recognized</cite></td></tr><tr style="height: 28px;" bgcolor="#f6f6f6" valign="bottom"><td nowrap="nowrap">Tue 7/15</td><td nowrap="nowrap">8117 </td><td nowrap="nowrap">NL 3rd inning H+R+E</td><td nowrap="nowrap"></td><td nowrap="nowrap"><input id="editx" name="M1_20" size="4" maxlength="5"> -110 </td><td nowrap="nowrap"><input id="editx" name="L1_20" size="4" maxlength="5"> Over 3 +115 </td><td nowrap="nowrap"></td><td nowrap="nowrap"></td></tr><tr style="height: 28px;" bgcolor="#f6f6f6" valign="top"><td nowrap="nowrap">8:40PM (EST) </td><td nowrap="nowrap">8118</td><td nowrap="nowrap">AL 3rd inning H+R+E</td><td nowrap="nowrap"></td><td nowrap="nowrap"><input id="editx" name="M2_20" size="4" maxlength="5"> -120 </td><td nowrap="nowrap"><input id="editx" name="L2_20" size="4" maxlength="5"> Under 3 -145 </td><td nowrap="nowrap"></td><td nowrap="nowrap"></td></tr><tr style="height: 28px;" bgcolor="#e9eeee" valign="bottom"><td nowrap="nowrap">Tue 7/15</td><td nowrap="nowrap">8119 </td><td nowrap="nowrap">NL 3rd inning runs scored</td><td nowrap="nowrap"></td><td nowrap="nowrap"><input id="editx" name="M1_21" size="4" maxlength="5"> -110 </td><td nowrap="nowrap"><input id="editx" name="L1_21" size="4" maxlength="5"> Over ½ -120 </td><td nowrap="nowrap"><input id="editx" name="E1_21" size="4" maxlength="5"> Over ½ +160 </td><td nowrap="nowrap"><input id="editx" name="E3_21" size="4" maxlength="5"> Under ½ -195 </td></tr><tr style="height: 28px;" bgcolor="#e9eeee" valign="top"><td nowrap="nowrap">8:40PM (EST) </td><td nowrap="nowrap">8120</td><td nowrap="nowrap">AL 3rd inning runs scored</td><td nowrap="nowrap"></td><td nowrap="nowrap"><input id="editx" name="M2_21" size="4" maxlength="5"> -120 </td><td nowrap="nowrap"><input id="editx" name="L2_21" size="4" maxlength="5"> Under ½ -110 </td><td nowrap="nowrap"><input id="editx" name="E2_21" size="4" maxlength="5"> Over ½ +160 </td><td nowrap="nowrap"><input id="editx" name="E4_21" size="4" maxlength="5"> Under ½ -195 </td></tr><tr style="height: 28px;" bgcolor="#f6f6f6" valign="bottom"><td nowrap="nowrap">Tue 7/15</td><td nowrap="nowrap">8121 </td><td nowrap="nowrap">NL 3rd inning runs scored</td><td nowrap="nowrap"></td><td nowrap="nowrap"></td><td nowrap="nowrap"><input id="editx" name="L1_22" size="4" maxlength="5"> Over 1½ +210 </td><td nowrap="nowrap"></td><td nowrap="nowrap"></td></tr><tr style="height: 28px;" bgcolor="#f6f6f6" valign="top"><td nowrap="nowrap">8:40PM (EST) </td><td nowrap="nowrap">8122</td><td nowrap="nowrap">AL 3rd inning runs scored</td><td nowrap="nowrap"></td><td nowrap="nowrap"></td><td nowrap="nowrap"><input id="editx" name="L2_22" size="4" maxlength="5"> Under 1½ -290 </td><td nowrap="nowrap"></td><td nowrap="nowrap"></td></tr><tr style="height: 28px;" bgcolor="#e9eeee" valign="bottom"><td colspan="8" nowrap="nowrap"><cite>graded at the end of the inning, any scoring changes after the inning is complete will not be recognized</cite></td></tr><tr style="height: 28px;" bgcolor="#e9eeee" valign="bottom"><td nowrap="nowrap">Tue 7/15</td><td nowrap="nowrap">8123 </td><td nowrap="nowrap">NL 3rd inning base hits</td><td nowrap="nowrap"></td><td nowrap="nowrap"><input id="editx" name="M1_23" size="4" maxlength="5"> -110 </td><td nowrap="nowrap"></td><td nowrap="nowrap"></td><td nowrap="nowrap"></td></tr><tr style="height: 28px;" bgcolor="#e9eeee" valign="top"><td nowrap="nowrap">8:40PM (EST) </td><td nowrap="nowrap">8124</td><td nowrap="nowrap">AL 3rd inning base hits</td><td nowrap="nowrap"></td><td nowrap="nowrap"><input id="editx" name="M2_23" size="4" maxlength="5"> -120 </td><td nowrap="nowrap"></td><td nowrap="nowrap"></td><td nowrap="nowrap"></td></tr><tr style="height: 28px;" bgcolor="#f6f6f6" valign="bottom"><td colspan="8" nowrap="nowrap"><cite>graded at the end of the inning, any scoring changes after the inning is complete will not be recognized</cite></td></tr><tr style="height: 28px;" bgcolor="#f6f6f6" valign="bottom"><td nowrap="nowrap">Tue 7/15</td><td nowrap="nowrap">8125 </td><td nowrap="nowrap">NL 4th inning H+R+E</td><td nowrap="nowrap"></td><td nowrap="nowrap"><input id="editx" name="M1_24" size="4" maxlength="5"> -110 </td><td nowrap="nowrap"><input id="editx" name="L1_24" size="4" maxlength="5"> Over 3 +120 </td><td nowrap="nowrap"></td><td nowrap="nowrap"></td></tr><tr style="height: 28px;" bgcolor="#f6f6f6" valign="top"><td nowrap="nowrap">8:40PM (EST) </td><td nowrap="nowrap">8126</td><td nowrap="nowrap">AL 4th inning H+R+E</td><td nowrap="nowrap"></td><td nowrap="nowrap"><input id="editx" name="M2_24" size="4" maxlength="5"> -120 </td><td nowrap="nowrap"><input id="editx" name="L2_24" size="4" maxlength="5"> Under 3 -150 </td><td nowrap="nowrap"></td><td nowrap="nowrap"></td></tr><tr style="height: 28px;" bgcolor="#e9eeee" valign="bottom"><td nowrap="nowrap">Tue 7/15</td><td nowrap="nowrap">8127 </td><td nowrap="nowrap">NL 4th inning runs scored</td><td nowrap="nowrap"></td><td nowrap="nowrap"><input id="editx" name="M1_25" size="4" maxlength="5"> -110 </td><td nowrap="nowrap"><input id="editx" name="L1_25" size="4" maxlength="5"> Over 5 -120 </td><td nowrap="nowrap"><input id="editx" name="E1_25" size="4" maxlength="5"> Over ½ +160 </td><td nowrap="nowrap"><input id="editx" name="E3_25" size="4" maxlength="5"> Under ½ -195 </td></tr><tr style="height: 28px;" bgcolor="#e9eeee" valign="top"><td nowrap="nowrap">8:40PM (EST) </td><td nowrap="nowrap">8128</td><td nowrap="nowrap">AL 4th inning runs scored</td><td nowrap="nowrap"></td><td nowrap="nowrap"><input id="editx" name="M2_25" size="4" maxlength="5"> -120 </td><td nowrap="nowrap"><input id="editx" name="L2_25" size="4" maxlength="5"> Under 5 -110 </td><td nowrap="nowrap"><input id="editx" name="E2_25" size="4" maxlength="5"> Over ½ +160 </td><td nowrap="nowrap"><input id="editx" name="E4_25" size="4" maxlength="5"> Under ½ -195 </td></tr><tr style="height: 28px;" bgcolor="#f6f6f6" valign="bottom"><td nowrap="nowrap">Tue 7/15</td><td nowrap="nowrap">8129 </td><td nowrap="nowrap">NL 4th inning runs scored</td><td nowrap="nowrap"></td><td nowrap="nowrap"></td><td nowrap="nowrap"><input id="editx" name="L1_26" size="4" maxlength="5"> Over 1½ +190 </td><td nowrap="nowrap"></td><td nowrap="nowrap"></td></tr><tr style="height: 28px;" bgcolor="#f6f6f6" valign="top"><td nowrap="nowrap">8:40PM (EST) </td><td nowrap="nowrap">8130</td><td nowrap="nowrap">AL 4th inning runs scored</td><td nowrap="nowrap"></td><td nowrap="nowrap"></td><td nowrap="nowrap"><input id="editx" name="L2_26" size="4" maxlength="5"> Under 1½ -270 </td><td nowrap="nowrap"></td></tr></tbody></table>Specifically, the ones in the middle, is that supposed to be combined runs in the first over/under and then per team in the second and third? Is that under 5 a typo or bad line? All other innings are 1/2 at those same odds.

Doug · Jul 15, 2008

yes, but props are often the root of disputes.

Pinny seemed to be the best about being clearest on it.

CHOPTALK · Jul 15, 2008

fhmesq44 said:
not really poorly worded, but what the hell are these bets?

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28px" vAlign=bottom bgColor=#e9eeee><TD noWrap>Tue 7/15</TD><TD noWrap>8119 </TD><TD noWrap>NL 3rd inning runs scored</TD><TD noWrap></TD><TD noWrap><INPUT id=editx maxLength=5 size=4 name=M1_21> -110 </TD><TD noWrap><INPUT id=editx maxLength=5 size=4 name=L1_21> Over ½ -120 </TD><TD noWrap><INPUT id=editx maxLength=5 size=4 name=E1_21> Over ½ +160 </TD><TD noWrap><INPUT id=editx maxLength=5 size=4 name=E3_21> Under ½ -195 </TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 28px" vAlign=top bgColor=#e9eeee><TD noWrap>8:40PM (EST) </TD><TD noWrap>8120</TD><TD noWrap>AL 3rd inning runs scored</TD><TD noWrap></TD><TD noWrap><INPUT id=editx maxLength=5 size=4 name=M2_21> -120 </TD><TD noWrap><INPUT id=editx maxLength=5 size=4 name=L2_21> Under ½ -110 </TD><TD noWrap><INPUT id=editx maxLength=5 size=4 name=E2_21> Over ½ +160 </TD><TD noWrap><INPUT id=editx maxLength=5 size=4 name=E4_21> Under ½ -195 </TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 28px" vAlign=bottom bgColor=#f6f6f6><TD noWrap>Tue 7/15</TD><TD noWrap>8121 </TD><TD noWrap>NL 3rd inning runs scored</TD><TD noWrap></TD><TD noWrap></TD><TD noWrap><INPUT id=editx maxLength=5 size=4 name=L1_22> Over 1½ +210 </TD><TD noWrap></TD><TD noWrap></TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 28px" vAlign=top bgColor=#f6f6f6><TD noWrap>8:40PM (EST) </TD><TD noWrap>8122</TD><TD noWrap>AL 3rd inning runs scored</TD><TD noWrap></TD><TD noWrap></TD><TD noWrap><INPUT id=editx maxLength=5 size=4 name=L2_22> Under 1½ -290 </TD><TD noWrap></TD><TD noWrap></TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 28px" vAlign=bottom bgColor=#e9eeee><TD noWrap colSpan=8><CITE>graded at the end of the inning, any scoring changes after the inning is complete will not be recognized</CITE></TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 28px" vAlign=bottom bgColor=#e9eeee><TD noWrap>Tue 7/15</TD><TD noWrap>8123 </TD><TD noWrap>NL 3rd inning base hits</TD><TD noWrap></TD><TD noWrap><INPUT id=editx maxLength=5 size=4 name=M1_23> -110 </TD><TD noWrap></TD><TD noWrap></TD><TD noWrap></TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 28px" vAlign=top bgColor=#e9eeee><TD noWrap>8:40PM (EST) </TD><TD noWrap>8124</TD><TD noWrap>AL 3rd inning base hits</TD><TD noWrap></TD><TD noWrap><INPUT id=editx maxLength=5 size=4 name=M2_23> -120 </TD><TD noWrap></TD><TD noWrap></TD><TD noWrap></TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 28px" vAlign=bottom bgColor=#f6f6f6><TD noWrap colSpan=8><CITE>graded at the end of the inning, any scoring changes after the inning is complete will not be recognized</CITE></TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 28px" vAlign=bottom bgColor=#f6f6f6><TD noWrap>Tue 7/15</TD><TD noWrap>8125 </TD><TD noWrap>NL 4th inning H+R+E</TD><TD noWrap></TD><TD noWrap><INPUT id=editx maxLength=5 size=4 name=M1_24> -110 </TD><TD noWrap><INPUT id=editx maxLength=5 size=4 name=L1_24> Over 3 +120 </TD><TD noWrap></TD><TD noWrap></TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 28px" vAlign=top bgColor=#f6f6f6><TD noWrap>8:40PM (EST) </TD><TD noWrap>8126</TD><TD noWrap>AL 4th inning H+R+E</TD><TD noWrap></TD><TD noWrap><INPUT id=editx maxLength=5 size=4 name=M2_24> -120 </TD><TD noWrap><INPUT id=editx maxLength=5 size=4 name=L2_24> Under 3 -150 </TD><TD noWrap></TD><TD noWrap></TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 28px" vAlign=bottom bgColor=#e9eeee><TD noWrap>Tue 7/15</TD><TD noWrap>8127 </TD><TD noWrap>NL 4th inning runs scored</TD><TD noWrap></TD><TD noWrap><INPUT id=editx maxLength=5 size=4 name=M1_25> -110 </TD><TD noWrap><INPUT id=editx maxLength=5 size=4 name=L1_25> Over 5 -120 </TD><TD noWrap><INPUT id=editx maxLength=5 size=4 name=E1_25> Over ½ +160 </TD><TD noWrap><INPUT id=editx maxLength=5 size=4 name=E3_25> Under ½ -195 </TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 28px" vAlign=top bgColor=#e9eeee><TD noWrap>8:40PM (EST) </TD><TD noWrap>8128</TD><TD noWrap>AL 4th inning runs scored</TD><TD noWrap></TD><TD noWrap><INPUT id=editx maxLength=5 size=4 name=M2_25> -120 </TD><TD noWrap><INPUT id=editx maxLength=5 size=4 name=L2_25> Under 5 -110 </TD><TD noWrap><INPUT id=editx maxLength=5 size=4 name=E2_25> Over ½ +160 </TD><TD noWrap><INPUT id=editx maxLength=5 size=4 name=E4_25> Under ½ -195 </TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 28px" vAlign=bottom bgColor=#f6f6f6><TD noWrap>Tue 7/15</TD><TD noWrap>8129 </TD><TD noWrap>NL 4th inning runs scored</TD><TD noWrap></TD><TD noWrap></TD><TD noWrap><INPUT id=editx maxLength=5 size=4 name=L1_26> Over 1½ +190 </TD><TD noWrap></TD><TD noWrap></TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 28px" vAlign=top bgColor=#f6f6f6><TD noWrap>8:40PM (EST) </TD><TD noWrap>8130</TD><TD noWrap>AL 4th inning runs scored</TD><TD noWrap></TD><TD noWrap></TD><TD noWrap><INPUT id=editx maxLength=5 size=4 name=L2_26> Under 1½ -270 </TD><TD noWrap></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>Specifically, the ones in the middle, is that supposed to be combined runs in the first over/under and then per team in the second and third? Is that under 5 a typo or bad line? All other innings are 1/2 at those same odds.

H+R+E

Thats hits,runs and errors in the 3rd inning over under 3.

Now we are even smartass.

Doug · Jul 15, 2008

fhmesq44 said:
not really poorly worded, but what the hell are these bets?

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</td><td nowrap="nowrap"><input id="editx" name="M1_20" size="4" maxlength="5"> -110 </td><td nowrap="nowrap"><input id="editx" name="L1_20" size="4" maxlength="5"> Over 3 +115 </td><td nowrap="nowrap">
</td><td nowrap="nowrap">
</td></tr><tr style="height: 28px;" bgcolor="#f6f6f6" valign="top"><td nowrap="nowrap">8:40PM (EST) </td><td nowrap="nowrap">8118</td><td nowrap="nowrap">AL 3rd inning H+R+E</td><td nowrap="nowrap">
</td><td nowrap="nowrap"><input id="editx" name="M2_20" size="4" maxlength="5"> -120 </td><td nowrap="nowrap"><input id="editx" name="L2_20" size="4" maxlength="5"> Under 3 -145 </td><td nowrap="nowrap">
</td><td nowrap="nowrap">
</td></tr><tr style="height: 28px;" bgcolor="#e9eeee" valign="bottom"><td nowrap="nowrap">Tue 7/15</td><td nowrap="nowrap">8119 </td><td nowrap="nowrap">NL 3rd inning runs scored</td><td nowrap="nowrap">
</td><td nowrap="nowrap"><input id="editx" name="M1_21" size="4" maxlength="5"> -110 </td><td nowrap="nowrap"><input id="editx" name="L1_21" size="4" maxlength="5"> Over ½ -120 </td><td nowrap="nowrap"><input id="editx" name="E1_21" size="4" maxlength="5"> Over ½ +160 </td><td nowrap="nowrap"><input id="editx" name="E3_21" size="4" maxlength="5"> Under ½ -195 </td></tr><tr style="height: 28px;" bgcolor="#e9eeee" valign="top"><td nowrap="nowrap">8:40PM (EST) </td><td nowrap="nowrap">8120</td><td nowrap="nowrap">AL 3rd inning runs scored</td><td nowrap="nowrap">
</td><td nowrap="nowrap"><input id="editx" name="M2_21" size="4" maxlength="5"> -120 </td><td nowrap="nowrap"><input id="editx" name="L2_21" size="4" maxlength="5"> Under ½ -110 </td><td nowrap="nowrap"><input id="editx" name="E2_21" size="4" maxlength="5"> Over ½ +160 </td><td nowrap="nowrap"><input id="editx" name="E4_21" size="4" maxlength="5"> Under ½ -195 </td></tr><tr style="height: 28px;" bgcolor="#f6f6f6" valign="bottom"><td nowrap="nowrap">Tue 7/15</td><td nowrap="nowrap">8121 </td><td nowrap="nowrap">NL 3rd inning runs scored</td><td nowrap="nowrap">
</td><td nowrap="nowrap">
</td><td nowrap="nowrap"><input id="editx" name="L1_22" size="4" maxlength="5"> Over 1½ +210 </td><td nowrap="nowrap">
</td><td nowrap="nowrap">
</td></tr><tr style="height: 28px;" bgcolor="#f6f6f6" valign="top"><td nowrap="nowrap">8:40PM (EST) </td><td nowrap="nowrap">8122</td><td nowrap="nowrap">AL 3rd inning runs scored</td><td nowrap="nowrap">
</td><td nowrap="nowrap">
</td><td nowrap="nowrap"><input id="editx" name="L2_22" size="4" maxlength="5"> Under 1½ -290 </td><td nowrap="nowrap">
</td><td nowrap="nowrap">
</td></tr><tr style="height: 28px;" bgcolor="#e9eeee" valign="bottom"><td colspan="8" nowrap="nowrap"><cite>graded at the end of the inning, any scoring changes after the inning is complete will not be recognized</cite></td></tr><tr style="height: 28px;" bgcolor="#e9eeee" valign="bottom"><td nowrap="nowrap">Tue 7/15</td><td nowrap="nowrap">8123 </td><td nowrap="nowrap">NL 3rd inning base hits</td><td nowrap="nowrap">
</td><td nowrap="nowrap"><input id="editx" name="M1_23" size="4" maxlength="5"> -110 </td><td nowrap="nowrap">
</td><td nowrap="nowrap">
</td><td nowrap="nowrap">
</td></tr><tr style="height: 28px;" bgcolor="#e9eeee" valign="top"><td nowrap="nowrap">8:40PM (EST) </td><td nowrap="nowrap">8124</td><td nowrap="nowrap">AL 3rd inning base hits</td><td nowrap="nowrap">
</td><td nowrap="nowrap"><input id="editx" name="M2_23" size="4" maxlength="5"> -120 </td><td nowrap="nowrap">
</td><td nowrap="nowrap">
</td><td nowrap="nowrap">
</td></tr><tr style="height: 28px;" bgcolor="#f6f6f6" valign="bottom"><td colspan="8" nowrap="nowrap"><cite>graded at the end of the inning, any scoring changes after the inning is complete will not be recognized</cite></td></tr><tr style="height: 28px;" bgcolor="#f6f6f6" valign="bottom"><td nowrap="nowrap">Tue 7/15</td><td nowrap="nowrap">8125 </td><td nowrap="nowrap">NL 4th inning H+R+E</td><td nowrap="nowrap">
</td><td nowrap="nowrap"><input id="editx" name="M1_24" size="4" maxlength="5"> -110 </td><td nowrap="nowrap"><input id="editx" name="L1_24" size="4" maxlength="5"> Over 3 +120 </td><td nowrap="nowrap">
</td><td nowrap="nowrap">
</td></tr><tr style="height: 28px;" bgcolor="#f6f6f6" valign="top"><td nowrap="nowrap">8:40PM (EST) </td><td nowrap="nowrap">8126</td><td nowrap="nowrap">AL 4th inning H+R+E</td><td nowrap="nowrap">
</td><td nowrap="nowrap"><input id="editx" name="M2_24" size="4" maxlength="5"> -120 </td><td nowrap="nowrap"><input id="editx" name="L2_24" size="4" maxlength="5"> Under 3 -150 </td><td nowrap="nowrap">
</td><td nowrap="nowrap">
</td></tr><tr style="height: 28px;" bgcolor="#e9eeee" valign="bottom"><td nowrap="nowrap">Tue 7/15</td><td nowrap="nowrap">8127 </td><td nowrap="nowrap">NL 4th inning runs scored</td><td nowrap="nowrap">
</td><td nowrap="nowrap"><input id="editx" name="M1_25" size="4" maxlength="5"> -110 </td><td nowrap="nowrap"><input id="editx" name="L1_25" size="4" maxlength="5"> Over 5 -120 </td><td nowrap="nowrap"><input id="editx" name="E1_25" size="4" maxlength="5"> Over ½ +160 </td><td nowrap="nowrap"><input id="editx" name="E3_25" size="4" maxlength="5"> Under ½ -195 </td></tr><tr style="height: 28px;" bgcolor="#e9eeee" valign="top"><td nowrap="nowrap">8:40PM (EST) </td><td nowrap="nowrap">8128</td><td nowrap="nowrap">AL 4th inning runs scored</td><td nowrap="nowrap">
</td><td nowrap="nowrap"><input id="editx" name="M2_25" size="4" maxlength="5"> -120 </td><td nowrap="nowrap"><input id="editx" name="L2_25" size="4" maxlength="5"> Under 5 -110 </td><td nowrap="nowrap"><input id="editx" name="E2_25" size="4" maxlength="5"> Over ½ +160 </td><td nowrap="nowrap"><input id="editx" name="E4_25" size="4" maxlength="5"> Under ½ -195 </td></tr><tr style="height: 28px;" bgcolor="#f6f6f6" valign="bottom"><td nowrap="nowrap">Tue 7/15</td><td nowrap="nowrap">8129 </td><td nowrap="nowrap">NL 4th inning runs scored</td><td nowrap="nowrap">
</td><td nowrap="nowrap">
</td><td nowrap="nowrap"><input id="editx" name="L1_26" size="4" maxlength="5"> Over 1½ +190 </td><td nowrap="nowrap">
</td><td nowrap="nowrap">
</td></tr><tr style="height: 28px;" bgcolor="#f6f6f6" valign="top"><td nowrap="nowrap">8:40PM (EST) </td><td nowrap="nowrap">8130</td><td nowrap="nowrap">AL 4th inning runs scored</td><td nowrap="nowrap">
</td><td nowrap="nowrap">
</td><td nowrap="nowrap"><input id="editx" name="L2_26" size="4" maxlength="5"> Under 1½ -270 </td><td nowrap="nowrap">
</td></tr></tbody></table>Specifically, the ones in the middle, is that supposed to be combined runs in the first over/under and then per team in the second and third? Is that under 5 a typo or bad line? All other innings are 1/2 at those same odds.

Yes, it is screwed up, IMO.

fhmesq44 · Jul 15, 2008

fhmesq44 said:
not really poorly worded, but what the hell are these bets?

<table class="module" rgfloat="440,600" border="0" bordercolor="#111111" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" width="800"><tbody><tr style="height: 28px;" bgcolor="#f6f6f6" valign="bottom"><td colspan="8" nowrap="nowrap"><cite>graded at the end of the inning, any scoring changes after the inning is complete will not be recognized</cite></td></tr><tr style="height: 28px;" bgcolor="#f6f6f6" valign="bottom"><td nowrap="nowrap">Tue 7/15</td><td nowrap="nowrap">8117 </td><td nowrap="nowrap">NL 3rd inning H+R+E</td><td nowrap="nowrap"></td><td nowrap="nowrap"><input id="editx" name="M1_20" size="4" maxlength="5"> -110 </td><td nowrap="nowrap"><input id="editx" name="L1_20" size="4" maxlength="5"> Over 3 +115 </td><td nowrap="nowrap"></td><td nowrap="nowrap"></td></tr><tr style="height: 28px;" bgcolor="#f6f6f6" valign="top"><td nowrap="nowrap">8:40PM (EST) </td><td nowrap="nowrap">8118</td><td nowrap="nowrap">AL 3rd inning H+R+E</td><td nowrap="nowrap"></td><td nowrap="nowrap"><input id="editx" name="M2_20" size="4" maxlength="5"> -120 </td><td nowrap="nowrap"><input id="editx" name="L2_20" size="4" maxlength="5"> Under 3 -145 </td><td nowrap="nowrap"></td><td nowrap="nowrap"></td></tr><tr style="height: 28px;" bgcolor="#e9eeee" valign="bottom"><td nowrap="nowrap">Tue 7/15</td><td nowrap="nowrap">8119 </td><td nowrap="nowrap">NL 3rd inning runs scored</td><td nowrap="nowrap"></td><td nowrap="nowrap"><input id="editx" name="M1_21" size="4" maxlength="5"> -110 </td><td nowrap="nowrap"><input id="editx" name="L1_21" size="4" maxlength="5"> Over ½ -120 </td><td nowrap="nowrap"><input id="editx" name="E1_21" size="4" maxlength="5"> Over ½ +160 </td><td nowrap="nowrap"><input id="editx" name="E3_21" size="4" maxlength="5"> Under ½ -195 </td></tr><tr style="height: 28px;" bgcolor="#e9eeee" valign="top"><td nowrap="nowrap">8:40PM (EST) </td><td nowrap="nowrap">8120</td><td nowrap="nowrap">AL 3rd inning runs scored</td><td nowrap="nowrap"></td><td nowrap="nowrap"><input id="editx" name="M2_21" size="4" maxlength="5"> -120 </td><td nowrap="nowrap"><input id="editx" name="L2_21" size="4" maxlength="5"> Under ½ -110 </td><td nowrap="nowrap"><input id="editx" name="E2_21" size="4" maxlength="5"> Over ½ +160 </td><td nowrap="nowrap"><input id="editx" name="E4_21" size="4" maxlength="5"> Under ½ -195 </td></tr><tr style="height: 28px;" bgcolor="#f6f6f6" valign="bottom"><td nowrap="nowrap">Tue 7/15</td><td nowrap="nowrap">8121 </td><td nowrap="nowrap">NL 3rd inning runs scored</td><td nowrap="nowrap"></td><td nowrap="nowrap"></td><td nowrap="nowrap"><input id="editx" name="L1_22" size="4" maxlength="5"> Over 1½ +210 </td><td nowrap="nowrap"></td><td nowrap="nowrap"></td></tr><tr style="height: 28px;" bgcolor="#f6f6f6" valign="top"><td nowrap="nowrap">8:40PM (EST) </td><td nowrap="nowrap">8122</td><td nowrap="nowrap">AL 3rd inning runs scored</td><td nowrap="nowrap"></td><td nowrap="nowrap"></td><td nowrap="nowrap"><input id="editx" name="L2_22" size="4" maxlength="5"> Under 1½ -290 </td><td nowrap="nowrap"></td><td nowrap="nowrap"></td></tr><tr style="height: 28px;" bgcolor="#e9eeee" valign="bottom"><td colspan="8" nowrap="nowrap"><cite>graded at the end of the inning, any scoring changes after the inning is complete will not be recognized</cite></td></tr><tr style="height: 28px;" bgcolor="#e9eeee" valign="bottom"><td nowrap="nowrap">Tue 7/15</td><td nowrap="nowrap">8123 </td><td nowrap="nowrap">NL 3rd inning base hits</td><td nowrap="nowrap"></td><td nowrap="nowrap"><input id="editx" name="M1_23" size="4" maxlength="5"> -110 </td><td nowrap="nowrap"></td><td nowrap="nowrap"></td><td nowrap="nowrap"></td></tr><tr style="height: 28px;" bgcolor="#e9eeee" valign="top"><td nowrap="nowrap">8:40PM (EST) </td><td nowrap="nowrap">8124</td><td nowrap="nowrap">AL 3rd inning base hits</td><td nowrap="nowrap"></td><td nowrap="nowrap"><input id="editx" name="M2_23" size="4" maxlength="5"> -120 </td><td nowrap="nowrap"></td><td nowrap="nowrap"></td><td nowrap="nowrap"></td></tr><tr style="height: 28px;" bgcolor="#f6f6f6" valign="bottom"><td colspan="8" nowrap="nowrap"><cite>graded at the end of the inning, any scoring changes after the inning is complete will not be recognized</cite></td></tr><tr style="height: 28px;" bgcolor="#f6f6f6" valign="bottom"><td nowrap="nowrap">Tue 7/15</td><td nowrap="nowrap">8125 </td><td nowrap="nowrap">NL 4th inning H+R+E</td><td nowrap="nowrap"></td><td nowrap="nowrap"><input id="editx" name="M1_24" size="4" maxlength="5"> -110 </td><td nowrap="nowrap"><input id="editx" name="L1_24" size="4" maxlength="5"> Over 3 +120 </td><td nowrap="nowrap"></td><td nowrap="nowrap"></td></tr><tr style="height: 28px;" bgcolor="#f6f6f6" valign="top"><td nowrap="nowrap">8:40PM (EST) </td><td nowrap="nowrap">8126</td><td nowrap="nowrap">AL 4th inning H+R+E</td><td nowrap="nowrap"></td><td nowrap="nowrap"><input id="editx" name="M2_24" size="4" maxlength="5"> -120 </td><td nowrap="nowrap"><input id="editx" name="L2_24" size="4" maxlength="5"> Under 3 -150 </td><td nowrap="nowrap"></td><td nowrap="nowrap"></td></tr><tr style="height: 28px;" bgcolor="#e9eeee" valign="bottom"><td nowrap="nowrap">Tue 7/15</td><td nowrap="nowrap">8127 </td><td nowrap="nowrap">NL 4th inning runs scored</td><td nowrap="nowrap"></td><td nowrap="nowrap"><input id="editx" name="M1_25" size="4" maxlength="5"> -110 </td><td nowrap="nowrap"><input id="editx" name="L1_25" size="4" maxlength="5"> Over 5 -120 </td><td nowrap="nowrap"><input id="editx" name="E1_25" size="4" maxlength="5"> Over ½ +160 </td><td nowrap="nowrap"><input id="editx" name="E3_25" size="4" maxlength="5"> Under ½ -195 </td></tr><tr style="height: 28px;" bgcolor="#e9eeee" valign="top"><td nowrap="nowrap">8:40PM (EST) </td><td nowrap="nowrap">8128</td><td nowrap="nowrap">AL 4th inning runs scored</td><td nowrap="nowrap"></td><td nowrap="nowrap"><input id="editx" name="M2_25" size="4" maxlength="5"> -120 </td><td nowrap="nowrap"><input id="editx" name="L2_25" size="4" maxlength="5"> Under 5 -110 </td><td nowrap="nowrap"><input id="editx" name="E2_25" size="4" maxlength="5"> Over ½ +160 </td><td nowrap="nowrap"><input id="editx" name="E4_25" size="4" maxlength="5"> Under ½ -195 </td></tr><tr style="height: 28px;" bgcolor="#f6f6f6" valign="bottom"><td nowrap="nowrap">Tue 7/15</td><td nowrap="nowrap">8129 </td><td nowrap="nowrap">NL 4th inning runs scored</td><td nowrap="nowrap"></td><td nowrap="nowrap"></td><td nowrap="nowrap"><input id="editx" name="L1_26" size="4" maxlength="5"> Over 1½ +190 </td><td nowrap="nowrap"></td><td nowrap="nowrap"></td></tr><tr style="height: 28px;" bgcolor="#f6f6f6" valign="top"><td nowrap="nowrap">8:40PM (EST) </td><td nowrap="nowrap">8130</td><td nowrap="nowrap">AL 4th inning runs scored</td><td nowrap="nowrap"></td><td nowrap="nowrap"></td><td nowrap="nowrap"><input id="editx" name="L2_26" size="4" maxlength="5"> Under 1½ -270 </td><td nowrap="nowrap"></td></tr></tbody></table>Specifically, the ones in the middle, is that supposed to be combined runs in the first over/under and then per team in the second and third? Is that under 5 a typo or bad line? All other innings are 1/2 at those same odds.

Sorry, wasn't clear, I mean plays 8119/8120 and 8127/8128.

Doug · Jul 15, 2008

<table class="module" rgfloat="440,600" border="0" bordercolor="#111111" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" width="800"><tbody><tr style="height: 28px;" bgcolor="#e9eeee" valign="bottom"><td nowrap="nowrap">Tue 7/15</td><td nowrap="nowrap">8119 </td><td nowrap="nowrap">NL 3rd inning runs scored</td><td nowrap="nowrap">
</td><td nowrap="nowrap"><input id="editx" maxlength="5" size="4" name="M1_21"> -110 </td><td nowrap="nowrap"><input id="editx" maxlength="5" size="4" name="L1_21"> Over ½ -120 </td><td nowrap="nowrap"><input id="editx" maxlength="5" size="4" name="E1_21"> Over ½ +160 </td><td nowrap="nowrap"><input id="editx" maxlength="5" size="4" name="E3_21"> Under ½ -195 </td></tr><tr style="height: 28px;" bgcolor="#e9eeee" valign="top"><td nowrap="nowrap">8:40PM (EST) </td><td nowrap="nowrap">8120</td><td nowrap="nowrap">AL 3rd inning runs scored</td><td nowrap="nowrap">
</td><td nowrap="nowrap"><input id="editx" maxlength="5" size="4" name="M2_21"> -120 </td><td nowrap="nowrap"><input id="editx" maxlength="5" size="4" name="L2_21"> Under ½ -110 </td><td nowrap="nowrap"><input id="editx" maxlength="5" size="4" name="E2_21"> Over ½ +160 </td><td nowrap="nowrap"><input id="editx" maxlength="5" size="4" name="E4_21"> Under ½ -195</td></tr></tbody></table>
I don't get it.

fhmesq44 · Jul 15, 2008

Doug said:
<table class="module" rgfloat="440,600" border="0" bordercolor="#111111" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" width="800"><tbody><tr style="height: 28px;" bgcolor="#e9eeee" valign="bottom"><td nowrap="nowrap">Tue 7/15</td><td nowrap="nowrap">8119 </td><td nowrap="nowrap">NL 3rd inning runs scored</td><td nowrap="nowrap">
</td><td nowrap="nowrap"><input id="editx" maxlength="5" size="4" name="M1_21"> -110 </td><td nowrap="nowrap"><input id="editx" maxlength="5" size="4" name="L1_21"> Over ½ -120 </td><td nowrap="nowrap"><input id="editx" maxlength="5" size="4" name="E1_21"> Over ½ +160 </td><td nowrap="nowrap"><input id="editx" maxlength="5" size="4" name="E3_21"> Under ½ -195 </td></tr><tr style="height: 28px;" bgcolor="#e9eeee" valign="top"><td nowrap="nowrap">8:40PM (EST) </td><td nowrap="nowrap">8120</td><td nowrap="nowrap">AL 3rd inning runs scored</td><td nowrap="nowrap">
</td><td nowrap="nowrap"><input id="editx" maxlength="5" size="4" name="M2_21"> -120 </td><td nowrap="nowrap"><input id="editx" maxlength="5" size="4" name="L2_21"> Under ½ -110 </td><td nowrap="nowrap"><input id="editx" maxlength="5" size="4" name="E2_21"> Over ½ +160 </td><td nowrap="nowrap"><input id="editx" maxlength="5" size="4" name="E4_21"> Under ½ -195</td></tr></tbody></table>
I don't get it.

Exactly, I think the -120/-110 is AL and NL combined and the 160/-190 are each team individually.

trytrytry · Jul 15, 2008

that is the total runs score in the 3rd inning by both teams over under -120 on the over

then along the top the total runs scored by the NL over under (not high juic eon the over +160)

and then the total runds scored by the AL in the 3rd over under (over +160).

Doug · Jul 15, 2008

trytrytry said:
that is the total runs score in the 3rd inning by both teams over under -120 on the over

then along the top the total runs scored by the NL over under (not high juic eon the over +160)

and then the total runds scored by the AL in the 3rd over under (over +160).

So, just the 3rd inning, then ?

Why just that inning ?

What book ?

Why not each inning ?

If you don't understand, then don't bet it.

trytrytry · Jul 15, 2008

each inning is there. looks like 5 dimes type of format...

TTinCO · Jul 15, 2008

I'm surprised that there aren't more issues involved with prop gradings. Just when something looks straight forward & clear-the inevitable happens.

Doug · Jul 15, 2008

Fhm is far from dumb ( he's a lawyer) , so if he doesn't get it clearly, it's poorly written, IMO.

Doug · Jul 15, 2008

TTinCO said:
I'm surprised that there aren't more issues involved with prop gradings. Just when something looks straight forward & clear-the inevitable happens.

I agree TT.

fhmesq44 · Jul 15, 2008

it is 5D and they do have them for each inning, I just took those two b/c one had <>5, which is clearly wrong.

I had a dispute on a prop once, NBA leading scorer for the night. Took McGrady one night, he and someone else both had about 40 (same number) and McGrady was graded as a loss. Nothing was posted about tie breakers, they tried to claim in the case of a tie the guy who shot the highest percentage won. Ultimately ended up paying my on McGrady. I think it was with DSI. After that they included a note as to how ties were decided.

Doug · Jul 15, 2008

If a lawyer has problems figuring out what exactly the bet is, it is a bad sign.

hno:

CHOPTALK · Jul 15, 2008

TTinCO said:
I'm surprised that there aren't more issues involved with prop gradings. Just when something looks straight forward & clear-the inevitable happens.

are you reading whats going on about you across the street

BeatPete · Jul 15, 2008

sportsbooks

software only allows so many letters to put in as a disclaimer. so a lot of times everything is bunched to explain the prop but not explain word for word due to lack of chararacters allowed in the disclaimer.

Doug · Jul 15, 2008

BeatPete said:
sportsbooks

software only allows so many letters to put in as a disclaimer. so a lot of times everything is bunched to explain the prop but not explain word for word due to lack of chararacters allowed in the disclaimer.

simply not good enough... if you want to avoid disputes.

How about some examples of badly worded props ?

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