Apocalypse Now Redux Vs the original version

NES · Jul 27, 2008

Saw the original version for the first time lastnite, for some reason I had never seen this movie till they re-released it and it has been in my top ten ever since. Its amazing how different the two versions are, its almost like watching two different movies. I was really suprised at some of the scenes that didnt make the original cut, Redux was a great idea in my opinion.

Im pretty sure this is why Wilheim didnt catch a reference I made to a certain Kilgore quote in a different thread.

NES · Jul 28, 2008

Since everybody is so interested in this thread I will ask another question. Was Kurtz really crazy? Did he deserve to be terminated? I'm still trying to figure out who the bad guy was in this flick. Was it Willard, Kurtz, or the corporation that is the Army?

barman · Jul 28, 2008

Conrad's HEART OF DARKNESS examined the question from the perspective of both Kurtz and Willard.

Yes, Kurtz was by most measures insane.

But make me God of the jungle and I might go a bit off the main road myself.

barman · Jul 28, 2008

I found the Redux added scenes interesting as they inserted the element of Willard traveling a modern day Odyssey with temptations along the way to try and derail his mission.

But all in all, the original cut stands pretty solid and certainly more tight than the Redux which I think goes to well over three hours.

NES · Jul 28, 2008

Was the Playboy bunny scene included in the original? I tried watching the other version as it was included in the copy that I rented the other day but ended up switching to the Redux version when I realized that they cut the scene where Willard steals Kilgores surfboard(one of my favorite scenes). I actually own the movie but mine doesnt have Spanish subtitles and I really wanted my chick to see this movie.

NES · Jul 28, 2008

Also the scene with the French Plantation was a little un-necessary but offered a great take on an outsiders view of the war in progress.

BAGIANT · Jul 28, 2008

The Horror! The Horror!

I have the redux version but have never viewed it. Believe that?

NES · Jul 28, 2008

Watch it tonite, it will be like a whole new movie for you.

GoSooners · Jul 28, 2008

barman said:
I found the Redux added scenes interesting as they inserted the element of Willard traveling a modern day Odyssey with temptations along the way to try and derail his mission.

But all in all, the original cut stands pretty solid and certainly more tight than the Redux which I think goes to well over three hours.

Barman...Don't lie..You liked the Redux version for including the extra drugged induced sex scene.....Me too...Thumbs up :103631605

artiesliver · Jul 28, 2008

NES said:
Was the Playboy bunny scene included in the original? I tried watching the other version as it was included in the copy that I rented the other day but ended up switching to the Redux version when I realized that they cut the scene where Willard steals Kilgores surfboard(one of my favorite scenes). I actually own the movie but mine doesnt have Spanish subtitles and I really wanted my chick to see this movie.

Yes, the Playboy bunny scene was in the original.

And yes, Kurtz was insane.

One of my top 5 films of all time. Thanks for the thread.

CtGuy441 · Jul 28, 2008

love the original. top 5 also

glad they cut what they did from the redux, although i enjoyed seeing the extra footage, with the exception of the french plantation and the 2nd playboy scene, thought those were unnecessary... can't even see why there were shot

GreenDoberman · Jul 28, 2008

Read the book, NES. Conrad was a master.
When you finish read Lord Jim.

CtGuy441 · Jul 28, 2008

read the novella

NES · Jul 29, 2008

CtGuy441 said:
love the original. top 5 also

glad they cut what they did from the redux, although i enjoyed seeing the extra footage, with the exception of the french plantation and the 2nd playboy scene, thought those were unnecessary... can't even see why there were shot

I felt the same about the Plantation scene the first ten times I watched it, but this last time I realized how good the diolgoue actually was in this part of the film.

The 2nd Playboy scene was pretty good too, I like the part where the soldier comes out of the tent in the rain and asked if they were headed down river, Willard tells them they will be coming back and the guy was like "yeah, youll come back" which was obvious sarcasm.

Still havent figured out what the deal was with the corpse in cooler that got knocked over by Lance and Bunny was, I guess the backstory to that is included in the book(which I wasnt aware existed until Barman and Doberman mentioned it in this thread).

NES · Jul 29, 2008

WTF the book was not even about Vietnam?

Heart of Darkness is a novella written by Polish-born writer Joseph Conrad (born Józef Teodor Konrad Korzeniowski). Before its 1902 publication, it appeared as a three-part series (1899) in Blackwood's Magazine. It is widely regarded as a significant work of English literature and part of the Western canon.

This highly symbolic story is actually a story within a story, or frame narrative. It follows Marlow as he recounts, from dusk through to late night, his adventure into the Congo to a group of men aboard a ship anchored in the Thames Estuary.

The story details an incident when Marlow, an Englishman, took a foreign assignment as a ferry-boat captain, employed by a Belgian trading company, on what readers may assume is the Congo River, in the Congo Free State, a private colony of King Leopold II; the country is never specifically named. Marlow is employed to transport ivory downriver; however, his more pressing assignment is to return Kurtz, another ivory trader, to civilization in a cover up. Kurtz has a reputation throughout the region.

BigPapaPat · Jul 29, 2008

Ive never seen either of them...Worth watching???

GoSooners · Jul 29, 2008

BigPapaPat said:
Ive never seen either of them...Worth watching???

In my opinion the best war movie ever made..

NES · Jul 29, 2008

BigPapaPat said:
Ive never seen either of them...Worth watching???

This flick has got to be in the top three movies of all time, you definitely must go and and rent it now even if its only to hear Kilgore's famous "Napalm in the morning" speech. Even if you dont smoke pot you will like this movie(but if you do you will like it better).

HiPockets · Jul 29, 2008

Interesting thread. Apocalypse Now is obviously a great movie that translates well into our present wars in Iraq and maybe even better into Afghanistan (opium). I don't understand NES's rejection of Conrad's Heart of Darkness as being relevant because I think many of its subthemes translate across decades and religions. I would add Graham Green's Power and Glory to the short list where authors and directors balance themes of power and moral ambiguity with the darkness of insanity where healthy social ties and bonds get 'unshipped/unleashed' in the chaos of war and jungle conflict. But props to NES for popping an interesting thread. Great important movie.

NES · Jul 29, 2008

I wouldnt say I rejected it, my reaction was one of complete shock as I only have been recently made aware that it was based on a book, and blown away that it was based on such an old one. Definately going to look into getting my hands on that book.

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