Georgia Tech to implement the old Wing T offense.

3peet · Jul 29, 2008

I guess these days its called the "Triple Option" Its a running option game which is used to cause confusion among the dlinemen and LB's.

Basically the QB stands in a shotgun formation with 2 RB's on eitherside of him. At that point the QB has an option to run or hand off to either backs. The purpose of the offense is to cause alot of misdirection with fake handoffs, fake dives between the gaps, 2nd handoffs or just simply keep with most of the work done between the tackles. Offenses like this don't pass all that much, at most 10-20 percent of the time. Its a somewhat effective but boring offense to watch.

What do u guys think of a D-I school running this ancient style of offense??

patswin · Jul 29, 2008

if you have the right athletes it can work, look at wvu the last few years with the option style offense. it was very effective there

Furmanski · Jul 29, 2008

I assume this is basically the same offense that Johnson ran at Navy. He was successful there, but I dont think it will transfer to a major conference. I see GT really struggling this year.

3peet · Jul 29, 2008

if you have the right athletes it can work, look at wvu the last few years with the option style offense. it was very effective there

right but unlike the regular "option" which also uses the perimeter with sweeps, this offense are a series of dives up the A or B gaps only. basically the linemen know their blocking scheme and its the defenses job to guess which RB is gonna go up which gap. Alot of times you'll see alot of traffic into the line then all of a sudden a RB spurts out the other end and breaks for a large gain. Manily because the defense doesn't know who has the ball.

My highschool used it back in the 90's after i graduated and after 2 years of implementation, they went to the city championship.

Again its an effective offense. It just looks really wacky and kinda boring to watch after while because of all the off guard or off tackle plays.

PercocetThreat · Jul 29, 2008

How similar/different is this to the offense that Air Force runs?

tech1515 · Jul 29, 2008

Guys being a huge Georgia Tech fan myself let me shed some light on the issue. First off from the original post there will be no shotgun formations whatsoever. Most formations will be spread flex or in other words a fullback...directly behind the qb. And two wing backs about 2 yards off the ball and diaganally behind the tackle. Of course Paul Johnson will run about 10-12 plays but with the combination of formations including full house backfield, wing t, power I and other 3 RB formations it will seem as though Tech is running 50 different plays. I don't expect my jackets to do a heck of a lot this year however a bowl shouldn't be out of the question they are in the worst BCS conference out there and when looking at the schedule 6 wins is a possibility but would be considered a good season. Now in the future I do see this offense working in the next several seasons. Paul Johnsons Navy team lead the nation in rushing and there he was coaching sub par athletes (granted they were playing some subpar athlets as well) Johnson has never had these type of horses in his stable and probably never had a qb who could be a dual threat or at least one who could make defenses at least think there might be a pass. If he can come anywhere close to averaging 349 yards rushing in the ACC Georgia Tech could very well be at the top of the ACC in a few years.

Here is an article by Tommy Bowden pretty good about Paul Johnson and Georgia Tech

http://sports.yahoo.com/ncaaf/news;_ylt=AkfQQp8wIdljOecHYTG531gcvrYF?slug=tb-gtech072808&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

tech1515 · Jul 29, 2008

PercocetThreat said:
How similar/different is this to the offense that Air Force runs?

I think Air Force runs more of a wishbone with less option or pitches involved than Paul Johnson runs. Not that they dont pitch it but I looked at a stat that might shed light...

Air Forces QB was 3rd on the team in rushing while their RB Chad Hall had 1529 yards more than twice what the qb had

Air Force QB last yar had 201 passes attempted in comparison to
Navy's QB who had 98 pass attempts

Also Navy's QB was their leading rusher with 914 yards and 30 more attempts than any rb. Navy had 7 players rush for over 500 yards last season (an impressive spreading of the ball) while Air Force had a 1500 yard back and 3 players over the 500 yard mark.

JakeT. · Jul 29, 2008

It should work eventually. Look for some issues the first half season though.

Harvey Dent · Jul 29, 2008

Air Force runs alot of shotgun also

Johnson is a genius he has ran everything from the Hawaii O to the NAVY O

CoolBreeze22 · Jul 29, 2008

The great thing about this style of offense is that you can probably expect Georgia Tech to pull off a huge upset every year or two(look out Georgia, Clemson). At the same time you can probably expect them to lose to a team that they're supposed to beat as well(Virginia, Duke, Miami could be examples this year.)

GoSooners · Jul 29, 2008

The Wishbone Offense is basically just an offshoot of the old Winged T/Split T formation, which was started many years ago and was made very successful with Bud Wilkinson's OU teams in the 40's and 50's. This is an offense that will work in any era of football. But you need to have the right players running it...The only reason we don't see more of it in today's football is because major college prospects have the NFL in mind when picking their colleges..And an NFL type QB or WR and some offensive lineman aren't going to go to a school that runs this type of offense..But if Johnson can get the right players to run it, it can be a very effective offense in his league. GT will have some growing pains until the next couple Paul Johnson drafts..But personally, as an old OU wishbone/winged T/split T fan myself, I like this offense. As with any offense, the winged T can work in today's football, as long as you have the athletes to run it...But you have to think speed speed speed when drafting players for this type of offense..This includes the QB.

BigPapaPat · Jul 29, 2008

I think that it is alittle late to put this in, It could work very well but it is going to take some time and alot of practice mixed with some trial and error

FairWarning · Jul 29, 2008

It is a very hard offense to run vs speed teams, which is most of the ACC.

PercocetThreat · Jul 30, 2008

tech1515 said:
I think Air Force runs more of a wishbone with less option or pitches involved than Paul Johnson runs. Not that they dont pitch it but I looked at a stat that might shed light...

Air Forces QB was 3rd on the team in rushing while their RB Chad Hall had 1529 yards more than twice what the qb had

Air Force QB last yar had 201 passes attempted in comparison to
Navy's QB who had 98 pass attempts

Also Navy's QB was their leading rusher with 914 yards and 30 more attempts than any rb. Navy had 7 players rush for over 500 yards last season (an impressive spreading of the ball) while Air Force had a 1500 yard back and 3 players over the 500 yard mark.

Makes sense, thanks.

Matt24 · Jul 30, 2008

we ran the double wing T in high school. I loved it, I was a slotback.

GoSooners · Jul 30, 2008

FairWarning said:
It is a very hard offense to run vs speed teams, which is most of the ACC.

OU ran the wishbone until the mid 80's. And they faced some quick defenses every year with it (Nebraska, Texas). It worked well when we had the right people running it..Even against defensive lines that were stacked with 8 or 9 players..The option is probably the hardest offensive scheme to defend when it's run right...But the problem with any of these winged t or split t or wishbone offenses is getting the players to run it...Most highschools have gone to the pro style or spread offense. And the REAL talent out there is looking at these colleges with the NFL in mind..And a winged t offense doesn't really prepare them for it..Johnson could have some problems at Ga Tech..Not for the system he runs, but because of the players he may not be able to get to run it successfully...With Navy or the other military academies who run the option, they don't have to worry about it because most all of the players who go to these schools don't have an NFL career in mind. And they're very disciplined players...It's a much different story with BCS schools. I think this is the big reason why OU and Nebraska got away from these types of option offenses...It got harder to draft the elite players.

Mr.Smith · Jul 30, 2008

this is what re ran in high school, I think its the same.

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fullback behind QB, 2 tailbacks. Lots of misdirection. It used to drive defenses nuts, theyd never seen it before because nobody else runs it. But in college, they'd study enough film on it to be ready. I cant see it working at all. I cant get the X's to space, but 2 are receivers. Tailbacks line up just outside the tackles, 5-6 yards or so back.

DegenerateDood1 · Jul 30, 2008

Wasn't Jerome Bettis going to goto OU to run the wishbone?

DegenerateDood1 · Jul 30, 2008

Yeah we ran a wishbone type offense in HS but it used alot of tight end passes and rbs turned into qbs..

tech1515 · Jul 30, 2008

Yea that was the wishbone Tech will run all sorts of formations hopefully they will be disciplined enough to stay with it when early losses mount up

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