Best gambler I personally know says if you find a game one point off the best way to

Iceman · Dec 10, 2008

play/exploit this edge is too PLAY IT IN A 2 OR 3 TEAM PARLAY before any other way of playing it including playing it straight. He told me this is the best way to take the biggest advantage of this particular game.

Though I never do this I havent forgot about him telling me this.

Any of you guys bet parlays first when they find a line that is off or do some not even agree with this statement?

whalewager · Dec 10, 2008

it has to be way off for that to apply imo...

whos the idiot...spill the beans

nimue77 · Dec 10, 2008

Makes no sense...unless all the plays involved are off then you are diluting the +EV.

bellyputter · Dec 10, 2008

Depending on what #, what's a point worth? The hold on a 2 teamer(2.6) is 10%, and a 3-teamer(6-1) is 12.5%. Do the math. By the way, I don't mean to be a name dropper, but I know georgejefferson.

Doug · Dec 10, 2008

This player is trying to get the most money possible on the off line, by parlaying it first.

It could be an overnight with a $500 limit.

makes sense to me.

Stocks · Dec 10, 2008

I read something similar yesterday but is was if the line is way of parley it with all the other games or something like that to get the most value.

Betallsports · Dec 10, 2008

What most have said here, but the # must be good. ( all Games )

Also perfer a two team parlay, and/or a open ended 3 team.

SportSavant · Dec 10, 2008

How often will the line on the "2nd" game that you have to parlay it with, be the best possible line available from all your shops. (especially if you are a line shopper).

I would say its pretty hard, If for example game # 2 in is -110, but you could get it at -103 at pinnacle, is it still a sharp move to parlay it?

doubt it.

but im admittedly, im not a mathematician

ProPokerPlayer · Dec 10, 2008

We used to do that with Parlay cards. Find 2 games and use them on every card. Then you can just blindly add games to the cards.. If you hit those 2 and even a handful of the others you make a nice haul...

Mamon · Dec 10, 2008

The best way to win is learn to capp ice. You can do all your regular stuff and hit the 6-7 games per week that are off due to line set to perception. Eagles +7.5 or more was one for example, so was Atlanta +5.5/6 vs SD 2 weeks ago. games should have been a pick. look at one sport only for this then two if you have time. i go nfl and mlb so its one at a time. i absord the rest so its more at the end of the season for other sports. Even Carolina mon -3 would have worked

Hit 53% or better on your line moves and trusted cappers and hit 60% to 80% capping

Also it would be better to identify lock winners on the ml to add to your regular plays in this case. practice lock ml winners and the extra payoff for it in 2 tm parlays. example tonight Clev Cavs -300ish added to a couple straight plays...

trytrytry · Dec 10, 2008

yes this is sort af an advanced angle that you learn form playing with the software and really knowing your books...it can be a well known edge on many off shore platforms...here is why.. if your straight action changes the line it often only does on straight plays...If you have a big overlay situation (1 point usually not quite enough but lets just go with it for example sake) you want to play parlays first but only with money lines that are either also overlays or at least games you can bet the other way for about the same price...combining with a money line parlay gives true parlay payouts not like a 12.5 -5 2 team parlay that has additional juice taken out... I like to do the second game for a game later in the day or the next day to be honest so I can wager the other way only if I need to (if the first leg wins)...anyway, these parlay wagers even dozens of them will not move the line on you on many offshore platforms...then hit your straight play which then moves the line...

Doug · Dec 10, 2008

I'd think the book might be looking to boot you for employing this method. Of course the line has to also be legit... like a stale line, not a bad line.

This might work on something like a RAS NCAABB total, if the book were slow, and set to move on straight action bets.

It won't work for long ( if it wins).

D2bets · Dec 10, 2008

trytrytry said:
yes this is sort af an advanced angle that you learn form playing with the software and really knowing your books...it can be a well known edge on many off shore platforms...here is why.. if your straight action changes the line it often only does on straight plays...If you have a big overlay situation (1 point usually not quite enough but lets just go with it for example sake) you want to play parlays first but only with money lines that are either also overlays or at least games you can bet the other way for about the same price...combining with a money line parlay gives true parlay payouts not like a 12.5 -5 2 team parlay that has additional juice taken out... I like to do the second game for a game later in the day or the next day to be honest so I can wager the other way only if I need to (if the first leg wins)...anyway, these parlay wagers even dozens of them will not move the line on you on many offshore platforms...then hit your straight play which then moves the line...

In other words, it's not that the parlay play is a better wager than the straight, it's just that you can use it to bet more than the max. If you're not a max+ bettor anyway then this strategy has no application.

I don't really think that's what Iceman was driving at.

Doug · Dec 10, 2008

D2bets said:
In other words, it's not that the parlay play is a better wager than the straight, it's just that you can use it to bet more than the max. If you're not a max+ bettor anyway then this strategy has no application.

I don't really think that's what Iceman was driving at.

I think circumventing limits is the only reason to do it. Take the college hoops total for example, limits can be very small.

Doug · Dec 10, 2008

I also have heard of a major book that pays on bad lines hidden in parlays.

Akillies · Dec 10, 2008

parlay 1st cause they dont move lines off parlay action

fhmesq44 · Dec 11, 2008

There is one well regarded book where you can circumvent their limits by leaving a 2 teamer open. Try's post also makes sense. I would be interested to hear from Ice the reason he gave for this. I wonder if he then plays both sides of a moneyline to close it out.

Thomas · Dec 11, 2008

What your talking about here is called wheeling, I used it a lot when I first started gambling and I still use it today in a slightly different fashion. Back then I would try and find one game that I would parlay with 10-20 other picks in two game parlays. If you hit your wheel game you need to win only around 35% of your bets to turn a profit. It was a great when I was betting 100 bucks a pick but as time went on and I was up to 300 bucks a pick losing (the wheel) became to stressful.
What I do now in the NFL to increase my roi is pick a college football game on the money line, something in the -7 range, I'll use -335 here for an example so you parlay the -335 to all your -110 NFL picks. That particular 2 game parlay pays +148 and it's not that hard to see the upside. Downside is you miss your wheel game and lose every bet, but it's not that tough to find a -335 college winner on Saturday to use on Sunday. Next problem is being shown the door I'm afraid....

I also believe trytry is right about the software issue and the line staying put but it's a limit thing more than anything else,2500 Canadian is the max at Pinnacle for instance on a parlay and 37,000 for straight bets so most of the big players don't bother and that's why the lines don't move.

rouxdogg · Dec 11, 2008

mamon said:
the best way to win is learn to capp ice. You can do all your regular stuff and hit the 6-7 games per week that are off due to line set to perception. Eagles +7.5 or more was one for example, so was atlanta +5.5/6 vs sd 2 weeks ago. Games should have been a pick. Look at one sport only for this then two if you have time. I go nfl and mlb so its one at a time. I absord the rest so its more at the end of the season for other sports. Even carolina mon -3 would have worked

hit 53% or better on your line moves and trusted cappers and hit 60% to 80% capping

also it would be better to identify lock winners on the ml to add to your regular plays in this case. Practice lock ml winners and the extra payoff for it in 2 tm parlays. Example tonight clev cavs -300ish added to a couple straight plays...

lol.

trytrytry · Dec 11, 2008

Doug said:
I also have heard of a major book that pays on bad lines hidden in parlays.

doug pm me on that one...

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