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LOL, did you read the whole article? Not to mention boxing will have the biggest PPV again this year with ODLH-Pacquiao. Lastly, boxing is just more of a world sport than MMA. You can get guys that you never even heard of and they can sell out in certain countries. Ever heard of Koren Ghevor and Amin Asikanean? Yeah most people haven't yet they drew 9,000 people where they fought at. 2 middle of the road middleweights. So in the end while boxing has lost a lot of popularity in the states, it's far from dead. People who post stuff like this really don't understand what they are talking about. personally I think Calzaghe is pissed that he didn't draw good numbers against a SHOT Jones. He sounds bitter.
 

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LOL, did you read the whole article? Not to mention boxing will have the biggest PPV again this year with ODLH-Pacquiao. Lastly, boxing is just more of a world sport than MMA. You can get guys that you never even heard of and they can sell out in certain countries. Ever heard of Koren Ghevor and Amin Asikanean? Yeah most people haven't yet they drew 9,000 people where they fought at. 2 middle of the road middleweights. So in the end while boxing has lost a lot of popularity in the states, it's far from dead. People who post stuff like this really don't understand what they are talking about. personally I think Calzaghe is pissed that he didn't draw good numbers against a SHOT Jones. He sounds bitter.

There are only a few boxers who can draw PPV numbers anymore and with DLH retired there are even less.

PS, I know boxing still does well enough... posting that wouldn't make a good debate on the subject with Joe saying that boxing is dying though. :103631605

It's all in good fun my man. :toast:
 

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There are only a few boxers who can draw PPV numbers anymore and with DLH retired there are even less.

PS, I know boxing still does well enough... posting that wouldn't make a good debate on the subject with Joe saying that boxing is dying though. :103631605

It's all in good fun my man. :toast:
You are correct about PPV numbers but you can make money without PPV. Let's use germany as an example. They bring a scrub like Brian Minto over there to face some of there heavyweights. Now in the US, Brian Minto can't make any money. :nohead: Yet he made mid 6 figures to fight Krasniqui and Schultz. Why do you think that is? It's not because boxing is dead in Germany. :nono5: I think what would be better to say is that boxing is dying in the US. Compared to say, even 5-10 years ago there are way less stars. There's really not less great fights but there are less stars for sure. That is being realistic about it. There's less guys that can make money for boxing in the US. Some people think that means the whole sport is dead though, which isn't really true.
 

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Any idea on the gates for events in England? UFC has been trying to expand into that country the last year or so... just wondering if they are still strong. This isn't any sort of trick question if the gates are down... I really don't know what the numbers look like or where I would find that info...
 

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It's not just some random internet people saying it any longer...

“I think boxing is a dying sport,” Calzaghe told the Associated Press. “Globally – in America, for instance – you’ve got UFC, which has taken a lot off boxing, business-wise.”

Here is the link to the full article.

http://sports.yahoo.com/box/news;_y...cB?slug=ki-calzaghe121508&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

oh yea..riighhhhhhht. Cause you know, Calzaghe's a major draw to the sport and household name.
 

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It's a dieing sport in a way only because there are no key names that draw people in. Boxing is by far a better sport than MMA/UFC, it's not even close imo, MMA just has the big names right now and is the "hot new sport."

I compare MMA to something like the AFL. Fun for the average joe to watch at first, but will get old and die out eventually. Boxing will be back as a huge sport again once they get some people fans actually care about.
 

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Am I the only one who watched Fres Oquendo kick James Toney`s ass this weekend only to get robbed of a decision?..Got these judges you never hear of cheating way too often..I am fucken sick of it dammit..At least UFC this happens far less..

They need to sit these judges down and make them watch round by round and hold themselves accountable..I will not pay another fucken dollar to watch boxing until then and will condon the use of descrambler boxes and internet feeds to watch the big events..Fuck Don King..Joe Cortes and all them other MFers...
 

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It's a dieing sport in a way only because there are no key names that draw people in. Boxing is by far a better sport than MMA/UFC, it's not even close imo, MMA just has the big names right now and is the "hot new sport."

I compare MMA to something like the AFL. Fun for the average joe to watch at first, but will get old and die out eventually. Boxing will be back as a huge sport again once they get some people fans actually care about.

UFC has been in existiance since 1993 and is getting stronger by the day...hardly a "new sport" that will get "old and die out"
 

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It's a dieing sport in a way only because there are no key names that draw people in. Boxing is by far a better sport than MMA/UFC, it's not even close imo, MMA just has the big names right now and is the "hot new sport."

I compare MMA to something like the AFL. Fun for the average joe to watch at first, but will get old and die out eventually. Boxing will be back as a huge sport again once they get some people fans actually care about.

I agree 100%....imo boxing is better than ufc...
 

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Lastly, boxing is just more of a world sport than MMA. You can get guys that you never even heard of and they can sell out in certain countries. Ever heard of Koren Ghevor and Amin Asikanean? Yeah most people haven't yet they drew 9,000 people where they fought at. 2 middle of the road middleweights.

Speaking of international popularity... Pride FC had TWO events that had more than 67,000 people LIVE to watch (both held in Japan). These events featured a wide range of MMA fighters (in terms of their country of origin).

I would submit that when Pride & UFC were both running, their international interest (and star power) were much more far reaching than boxing. Of course, unfortunately, I would also contend that the owners of UFC have done considerable damage to their own bussiness by essentially alienating most of the guys from Pride, and putting on less than stellar PPV shows.
 

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Speaking of international popularity... Pride FC had TWO events that had more than 67,000 people LIVE to watch (both held in Japan). These events featured a wide range of MMA fighters (in terms of their country of origin).

I would submit that when Pride & UFC were both running, their international interest (and star power) were much more far reaching than boxing. Of course, unfortunately, I would also contend that the owners of UFC have done considerable damage to their own bussiness by essentially alienating most of the guys from Pride, and putting on less than stellar PPV shows.

Your argument would be killed by the fact that Pride is out of bussiness. If you are truly a success you don't go out of bussiness. You can make whatever argument that you want but boxing is around Asia,Europe,Mexico and South America a LOT more than MMA is. It's not even close. How about this, Koki Kameda (a boxer), had over half of Japan watch him in his first title fight.
 

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Your argument would be killed by the fact that Pride is out of bussiness. If you are truly a success you don't go out of bussiness.


Pride's TV contract was terminated, and when Station Casinos couldn't get a new one (after purchasing Pride for 70 million) they decided it could not be ressurrected... Using the phrase "out of bussiness" seems a little misleading considering how much it was sold for, and how much it's assets (fighters contracts) are still bringing in to Zuffa.

You also act as though boxing entities haven't ever closed shop.
 

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How about this, Koki Kameda (a boxer), had over half of Japan watch him in his first title fight.

According to this argument, Dire Straits is the greatest band of all time because AT ONE POINT 1/4 of the UK owned Brothers in Arms.
 

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Bernard Hopkins has two words for Joe Calzaghe: “Shut the FUCK up.”

Calzaghe, THE RING light heavyweight champ who is mulling retirement, told the Associated Press a few days ago that he’s glad he’ll soon be leaving the sport because it’s in dire shape.

“I think boxing is a dying sport. Globally – in America for instance – you've got UFC, which has taken a lot off boxing, business-wise," Calzaghe said.

He went on: “There is too much politics in boxing, too many belts and too many champions, which dilutes real champions like myself. There are four world champions in each division and it's bad because there are no stars any more. It's a big problem.”

Calzaghe also took a shot at boxing in the United States, pointing out that only one American (Deontay Wilder) won a medal in the 2008 Olympics.

“America only had one medalist in the Olympics this year," Calzaghe said. "In Britain, we did pretty good, but I'm glad I'm ending my career and not starting it because I don't think it's going to be that great in the future.”

Hopkins, who lost a close decision to Calzaghe in April and wants a rematch, finds Calzaghe’s comments both interesting and infuriating, the latter because of his enduring love of the sport and probably because it remains his livlihood.

The former middleweight titleholder pointed out that Calzaghe does not attract many fans outside his native Wales, meaning he’s part of the problem. Even Englishman Ricky Hatton, Hopkins said, has a bigger following than Calzaghe.

“I don’t know where he’s been, on Mars or something,” Hopkins said. “Maybe he missed the numbers that (Oscar De La Hoya-Manny Pacquaio) generated – 1.25 million pay-per-view buys in a recession. That’s 70, 80 million dollars in revenue. And he’s says boxing is dead?

“Maybe it’s dead when he fights.”

Hopkins was just getting started.

“If he wants to retire, he should go ahead and retire and keep his mouth shut. He has his wins (this year), his undefeated record. He should go join his family. Other than that, he should shut up. And tell him Bernard says that.”

Calzaghe wasn’t finished either. He also made some comments about De La Hoya after his dismal performance on Saturday, indicating that he didn’t want to go out in a similar manner.

“De La Hoya hasn’t been a real fighter for years,” he told walesonline.co.uk. “You can’t fault the guy because he has been a great fighter in the past and made so much money from the sport. But, realistically, he has been a part-time boxer for years.”

De La Hoya has fought four times in the past 2½ years.

“That’s jealousy, envy,” said Hopkins, a partner in De La Hoya’s Golden Boy Promotions. “They [Calzaghe vs. Roy Jones Jr.] didn’t do well on pay-per-view, under 300,000. So when you start hearing things like that, it’s just jealousy. …

“It’s easy to kick someone when they’re down. I’m not saying this because I’m his friend and a partner, but Oscar’s record speaks for itself. Look at what he’s acccomplished over 20 years.”
 

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It's a dieing sport in a way only because there are no key names that draw people in. Boxing is by far a better sport than MMA/UFC, it's not even close imo, MMA just has the big names right now and is the "hot new sport."

I compare MMA to something like the AFL. Fun for the average joe to watch at first, but will get old and die out eventually. Boxing will be back as a huge sport again once they get some people fans actually care about.


I would be willing to bet boxing never fades. It's an institution and kids from inner cities fill those gyms to capacity around the country.

To me, the MMA/UFC is like the XFL. It'll be a flash in the pan in the long run.
 

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According to this argument, Dire Straits is the greatest band of all time because AT ONE POINT 1/4 of the UK owned Brothers in Arms.

At 1 point? Kameda has been insanely popular his whole career. Yeah great comparison. :nohead:
 

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Young kids/teenagers/young adults will watch MMA over boxing. Old guys grew up with boxing and that's why they like it, they just don't know better. MMA guys are ten thousand times better athletes. If MMA is not #1 right now, it will be soon.
 

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