Please help answer a question about "teaser" payouts.

JackPrice+ · Dec 22, 2008

I've been using a site called "World Wide Wagering" for the past few months. I contact of mine is an "agent" for the site and all payments (win or lose) go direct through my local agent/contact. I only use the website to place my wagers (I can also call in wagers). I don't have to send any money in to the site in order to place wagers......I've got a "limit" that gets reset each and every week. Anyway, over the weekend I played a few "teasers" and ran in to a couple of issues.

1. One two team 7 point "teaser" was BYU (plus 10) to the Seattle Seahawks (plus 10.5). Well, BYU pushed and the Seahawks won outright. My past experiences say that this results in a "no action" or "push" and the money is returned to my account.......which.......is exactly what happened. But.............

2. I also had a two team 7 point "teaser" that was Navy (plus 10) to Mempshis (plus 19). Navy lost by 10 which equaled a "push" and Memphis lost by 27......which lost. In this case, the website counted this play as a loss.....not a "push".

What is the standard on two team teasers when one side "pushes"????? Thanks!!!

steaktartar · Dec 22, 2008

in using a local at a PPH shop or even split booking or a make-up sheet....chances are those are his rules for his guys.....check the website to just to see if it says any loss in teaser will be a loss........im not saying this will give you your navy teaser back because you might be under your agents rules..........teaser rules post up v. credit are different a lot of the time

Betallsports · Dec 22, 2008

What Steak said , it depends on What Profile your Agent set. :drink:

JackPrice+ · Dec 22, 2008

steak tartar said:
in using a local at a PPH shop or even split booking or a make-up sheet....chances are those are his rules for his guys.....check the website to just to see if it says any loss in teaser will be a loss........im not saying this will give you your navy teaser back because you might be under your agents rules..........teaser rules post up v. credit are different a lot of the time

The rules on the website clearly state "any tie in a teaser results in NO ACTION". So, I called the website to complain and they said that their rules are only for their clients......that I must go through my "agent".

How do most offshore agencies deal with a "tie" or "push" in a two team teaser? Do most call the entire play "no action" or "push" or do most take the second half of the teaser in to account??? Thanks again for your help.

JackPrice+ · Dec 22, 2008

anybody?

djmatt · Dec 22, 2008

if you've been with the guy a few months he might give you a break for the holidays and explain what happens in future incidents.

best of luck

steaktartar · Dec 22, 2008

JackPrice said:
The rules on the website clearly state "any tie in a teaser results in NO ACTION". So, I called the website to complain and they said that their rules are only for their clients......that I must go through my "agent".

How do most offshore agencies deal with a "tie" or "push" in a two team teaser? Do most call the entire play "no action" or "push" or do most take the second half of the teaser in to account??? Thanks again for your help.

if you are under your agents profile you may be out of luck.......credit teasers and post up teasers have different rules depending on agent...sorry

MrTeaser · Dec 22, 2008

Hold just a sec. Some books still have a tie, regardless of if either is a winner or loser, is a push. As a matter of fact most sportsbooks in Vegas still have this rule or at least they did when I was there a couple of years back. Looking at this

http://www.wager.dm/sports/wager_payoffs.html

it appears that they still have the 'if a game ties it's a push regardless of the other half' rule still in place. You should have gotten your $ back.

Also want to give a thumbs up to any video PP sends out!!!!!!! It's good stuff

Betallsports · Dec 22, 2008

Mr Teaser said:
Hold just a sec. Some books still have a tie, regardless of if either is a winner or loser, is a push. As a matter of fact most sportsbooks in Vegas still have this rule or at least they did when I was there a couple of years back. Looking at this

http://www.wager.dm/sports/wager_payoffs.html

it appears that they still have the 'if a game ties it's a push regardless of the other half' rule still in place. You should have gotten your $ back.

Also want to give a thumbs up to any video PP sends out!!!!!!! It's good stuff

It Doesn't Matter !! Like Steak said...Credit Players are a Whole other Story.

The Agent sets Your Profile, and what he Says...Goes

p.s. Sounds like your Agent has you on ( what I like to call it ) A Suckers Profile..

Tell him, If you want to keep me as a Player. You want it changed.
End of Story :drink:

NES · Dec 22, 2008

Paul is right, any loss any a teaser constitutes a losing wager.

push + win = push
push + loss = loss
push + push = never saw it happen

10 Team and 13pt Teasers pushes are generally a losing wager

Betallsports · Dec 22, 2008

Here are Two Different Profiles

REG TSR BB-4 FB-6 PRO and NCAA Mixed Reg Teaser (BB 4 pt. & FB 6 pt.)
REG TSR BB-4.5 FB-6.5 PRO and NCAA Mixed Reg Teaser (BB 4½ pt. & FB 6½ pt.)
REG TSR BB-5 FB-7 PRO and NCAA Mixed Reg Teaser (BB 5 pt. & FB 7 pt.)
SP TSR BB9 FB13 -130 PRO and NCAA Special Mixed Teaser (BB 9 pt. & FB 13 pt.) TIES LOSE
SPCL BB-7 FB-10 -130 PRO and NCAA Special Mixed Teaser (BB 7 pt. & FB 10 pt.) TIES LOSE
...................................................................................................

T1 6FB 4BK CROSS SPORT 6PT FB-4PT BK (TIES REVERT)
T2 6.5FB 4.5BK CROSS SPORT 6½PT FB-4½PT BK (TIES REVERT)
T3 7FB 5BK CROSS SPORT 7PT FB-5PT BK (TIES REVERT)
T6 10FB 8BK CROSS SPORT 10PT FB-8PT BK (TIES REVERT) *NO BK TOTALS*

When Dealing with Credit, You ( Agent ) can set Whatever kind of Profile you want.

MrTeaser · Dec 23, 2008

PornoPaul said:
I guess I am out of it then. I cant imagin a place that would give you no action with a loss? Unless it is some kind of promotion that place is running.

But if you are right. Then lets say you have a 2 team teaser, one game in the am on in the PM.
Your AM game losses..... Dont throw away the ticket cause you could still get a no action if you win or tie?

It cant be a NO Action with a loss

Makes no sense
Is that what you are saying?

Believe it or not PP it is true. I think it was Fish who said he would go through the tickets people threw away after this happened to look for pushes. I myself have snuck out a push or 2 over this rule. Funny thing is probably 90% of players don't realize this is a push. As far as the agent goes I guess from the sounds of it you are at the mercy of what .

MrTeaser · Dec 23, 2008

NES said:
Paul is right, any loss any a teaser constitutes a losing wager.

push + win = push
push + loss = loss
push + push = never saw it happen

10 Team and 13pt Teasers pushes are generally a losing wager

Not true. Many sportsbooks though have gone to this rule in the past few years but there are still some who do not. At last check Vegas still has it as a push as well.

max1234 · Dec 23, 2008

Vegas used to count a tie and a loss as a push but I think those days are over. At CRIS it's a loss.

Akillies · Dec 23, 2008

any tie is a push in vegas, that is why its commonly called vegas rules, then again they typically pay out at worse odds

tld1962 · Dec 24, 2008

JackPrice said:
How do most offshore agencies deal with a "tie" or "push" in a two team teaser?

The overwhelming majority of offshore sportsbooks grade a two team teaser with a loss and a push as a loss.

This was not the case in the past. In the early days of offshore, it was typical to grade it instead as a push, because this was how it was traditionally handled in Vegas, and offshore followed that tradition.

In the intervening years, books realized they were getting killed on teasers by sharps, so they have made various changes in how they treat them. One is that many books changed the odds. (+100 for a 6 pointer, -110 for a 6.5 pointer, and -120 for a 7 pointer used to be very common; it is very rare today). The other is that almost all books switched to the less favorable rule on a loss + push.

Bottom line is your teaser should be graded according to the rules at your book (or in this case your agent's rules). But as to your question of what is "conventional" in this case, nowadays almost all offshore books would grade your wager as a loss.

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