How do some guys get 3 yr $12 mil deals and peopel are like that's a great win in arbitration for so and so. Then people like Adam Laroche get 1 yr 7 mil deal and people don't say a word. I never understood the salary "caps" with arbitration and tenure with one team and all that stuff. Like when Pujols signed a couple years ago for peanuts people went crazy cause he got highest deal ever in arbitration, but he makes nothing compared to other scrubs liek Laroche, why is that?
Basically you can't make the huge bucks until you are eligible for free agency like Teixera and Sabathia were this offseason. Even when your initial contract runs out, the team you were signed with (in many cases) still has your rights and can give you a smaller deal for less coin if they see fit instead of the monster 9 year deals or whatever that would result if any team could sign em.
Anyway, that's kind of a briefer. I don't know why it is but it helps explain why some guys sign for so low... it's just because they are not a free agent despite their contract running out.
Anyway, that's kind of a briefer. I don't know why it is but it helps explain why some guys sign for so low... it's just because they are not a free agent despite their contract running out.
plenty being talking about with regards to Laroche, at least locally...mostly centered around how horrible this organization really is:
1- Sent Xavier Nady away because they thought he was too expensive to re-sign
2- Nady signs new deal yesterday for 6.5M/yr
3- Laroche signs new deal yesterday with Bucs for 7M/yr
4- Nady batted 36 points higher with 12 more RBI
great organization
1- Sent Xavier Nady away because they thought he was too expensive to re-sign
2- Nady signs new deal yesterday for 6.5M/yr
3- Laroche signs new deal yesterday with Bucs for 7M/yr
4- Nady batted 36 points higher with 12 more RBI
great organization
You make the league minimum or maybe a bit more the first 3 years. You have to sign, and the team decides your salary unilaterally. Then, you're eligible for arbitration each year where you have to come to terms, or an arbitrator decides who is more right, the player's request or the team's offer. Then, after six years of big-league service, you are a free agent and can sign with anyone. Nobody makes huge money until then. And people like Barry Zito work the system perfectly.
He made 900K because the Cardinals decided to be good to him and reward him. They paid him 600K his second year, which was unheard of. Each year, they could have paid him the league minimum, which was 300K at the time. He's made as much money as a player can make in his first 8 years.
Re: Understanding Baseball Salaries
In 3.5 years of Major League service Ryan Howard has gone from $300,000 per to asking $18 mil. this year. Don't get me wrong, he is a serious threat in the batters box, and will probably be the all time leader in home runs when he is finished. If he is not going to make serious money until after 6 years what will he get paid? Where is the case for justification here? Explain his career numbers using the terms free agent, salary arbitration, years of service, and any other way you want to make the justification please.
In 3.5 years of Major League service Ryan Howard has gone from $300,000 per to asking $18 mil. this year. Don't get me wrong, he is a serious threat in the batters box, and will probably be the all time leader in home runs when he is finished. If he is not going to make serious money until after 6 years what will he get paid? Where is the case for justification here? Explain his career numbers using the terms free agent, salary arbitration, years of service, and any other way you want to make the justification please.
Everyone starts out at the league minimum. Teams don't have to pay them any more than the league minimum their first three years, but most teams will give a player a small raise his second and third years, and the stars, they might give 600K or something in their 3rd year. After 3 years, they become arbitration eligible, and they make bigger money. Or, like in the case of Ryan Braun, Adam Wainwright, and Evan Longoria, the team just locks them up in a long term deal and avoids arbitration altogether. Players like Ryan Howard haven't been locked up. They are owned by the team and are still under complete control, they just have to come to terms with the team. Usually the team offers one figure, the player requests a higher figure, and they settle somewhere in between. Or, if they neither side will budge, an arbitrator will look at his production and decide who's offer is more fair, and they'll choose a winning side. That's the situation Howard is in. He is asking 18 mil and the team is offering 14 mil. My guess is they'll settle in between, but if they don't, an arbitrator will award one of them the winner. Or, maybe the Phils will sign him to a long-term deal now. But they are the only team he can sign with, unless he holds out for free agency. I think the Phils have control of him until after the 2010 season. As far as the numbers, it's all a crapshoot. Since Howard made 10 mil last year, you know he's gonna get a raise, it just depends on how much.
Being a veteran is what gets you paid in this league. That's why chumps like Jason Marquis can be terrible, yet still get 3 years/21 mil, and young superstars make 400K a season. Howard's batting average and strikeout count are both terrible, but his agent will use his other numbers and I'm sure get him an elite contract, either now, or after he hits the free agent market. He is considered a superstar of the game, and unless he really falls off the next couple years, I'm sure his agent will ask for 6-8 years at 20 mil a season.
justifying salaries
So what is happening with the Phils and Ryan Howard is the Phils are more or less giving in and going with giving him an elite contract status so as not to have any problems with him and to keep him in Phil. Good idea because I would not want a pissed off Ryan Howard on my team. Is that the way it sounds because using the term "huge raise" would not even be an understatement here.
So what is happening with the Phils and Ryan Howard is the Phils are more or less giving in and going with giving him an elite contract status so as not to have any problems with him and to keep him in Phil. Good idea because I would not want a pissed off Ryan Howard on my team. Is that the way it sounds because using the term "huge raise" would not even be an understatement here.
I don't know that I'd say his salary is justified. About 8 years ago, Andrew Jones won his arbitration case, and it was the highest ever for like 8 million a season. Peavy only made like 7 mil his second year of arbitration, and 5 mil in his first season. I think Howard got way too much last year, and now his agent is saying something like "My client should have been MVP, and he made 10 mil last year, so he deserves 18 this year."
I think there's no way Howard wins his case. Phils are going to win and pay him 14 million. I wouldn't have offered that much. Maybe 12 mil, but even that is ridiculous.
Signing high salaried players.
My opinion is that the Phils. can keep Howard for 1 or maybe 2 more years and after that there is only 1 team in baseball that can sign him. That is until (considering) MLB comes up with a salary cap. Then it becomes a question of how does this work in our budget? That team is only a few hundred miles north and east of Phil. and could use a first baseman to get rid of the crap they have there. Guess what that team is? I'll give you three choices and the first two come in as a minimal threat. Bank open please.
My opinion is that the Phils. can keep Howard for 1 or maybe 2 more years and after that there is only 1 team in baseball that can sign him. That is until (considering) MLB comes up with a salary cap. Then it becomes a question of how does this work in our budget? That team is only a few hundred miles north and east of Phil. and could use a first baseman to get rid of the crap they have there. Guess what that team is? I'll give you three choices and the first two come in as a minimal threat. Bank open please.
There won't be a salary cap in this league. The player's union is way too powerful, and have made it known that they won't go for it. I don't know why this union has so much more power than the others, but they do.
Howard still has 2 years left to prove that he's worthy of a huge contract. Since he showed signs of completely sucking last year, I wouldn't be surprised to see him take the security now and lock up a long term deal with the Phillies. But we'll see.
Howard still has 2 years left to prove that he's worthy of a huge contract. Since he showed signs of completely sucking last year, I wouldn't be surprised to see him take the security now and lock up a long term deal with the Phillies. But we'll see.
