Did I make the right ALL IN bet ?? the ones that KNOW poker please critique this hand

Dante · Mar 24, 2009

the ones that know poker here please critique this hand and tell me if I had the right odds to re-raise all in on a nut flush draw with a over card Ace or not I put him on a Q but with a lower kicker

thanks

PokerStars Game #26329346872: Hold'em No Limit ($1/$2) - 2009/03/24 22:03:17 ET
Table 'Asaph X' 6-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: Dantevos ($155.65 in chips)
Seat 2: crancowboy1 ($38.65 in chips)
Seat 3: Marius2910 ($273.65 in chips)
Seat 5: purediesel1 ($210.70 in chips)
Seat 6: RLee982 ($212.75 in chips)
crancowboy1: posts small blind $1
Marius2910: posts big blind $2
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Dantevos [Ah 9h]
purediesel1: raises $4 to $6
RLee982: calls $6
Dantevos: calls $6
crancowboy1: calls $5
Marius2910: folds
*** FLOP *** [6c Qh 5h]
crancowboy1: checks
purediesel1: checks
RLee982: checks
Dantevos: bets $20
crancowboy1: folds
purediesel1: raises $36 to $56
RLee982: folds
Dantevos: raises $93.65 to $149.65 and is all-in
purediesel1: calls $93.65
*** TURN *** [6c Qh 5h] [Th]
*** RIVER *** [6c Qh 5h Th] [4c]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
purediesel1: shows [Qd Kc] (a pair of Queens)
Dantevos: shows [Ah 9h] (a flush, Ace high)
Dantevos collected $323.30 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $325.30 | Rake $2
Board [6c Qh 5h Th 4c]
Seat 1: Dantevos (button) showed [Ah 9h] and won ($323.30) with a flush, Ace high
Seat 2: crancowboy1 (small blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 3: Marius2910 (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 5: purediesel1 showed [Qd Kc] and lost with a pair of Queens
Seat 6: RLee982 folded on the Flop</pre>

ProPokerPlayer · Mar 24, 2009

990 games 0.005 secs 198,000 games/sec

Board: 6c Qh 5h
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 45.859% 45.86% 00.00% 454 0.00 { Ah9h }
Hand 1: 54.141% 54.14% 00.00% 536 0.00 { KcQd }

PO69 · Mar 24, 2009

Well PPP, he DID NOT know what the other player had, so these %'s woulndt matter so much

ProPokerPlayer · Mar 24, 2009

So if im counting right you bet 93 to win 100 as a slight dog, variance, fold equity and the extra $7 in the pot makes it probably closer to a 50/50 shot......So i guess the question is , is it wrong to gamble on a 50/50 shot for your stack ?.....

PO69 · Mar 24, 2009

PPP, you also have to take into account that the other guy might have been on a lower flush draw as well or straight draw

InsideThePylons · Mar 24, 2009

Perfectly played.

ProPokerPlayer · Mar 24, 2009

Inside The Pylons said:
Perfectly played.

You asked for someone who knows.......close thread you got it.

Dante · Mar 25, 2009

Inside The Pylons said:
Perfectly played.

thanks guys ... I appreciate all the feedback :toast:

thekid78 · Mar 25, 2009

People that gamble for a 50/50 shot for their whole stack are most likely not very good players and will go broke more often than not. This is a terrible play in a tournament, but probably a little better in a cash game, assuming you have more money available to you if you lose the pot. I feel like I have a big edge in most games and am very unlikely to risk my whole stack when I am most likely behind (which you were) and on a draw (which you were). It worked out and again I do not know how confident you are in your game or how much extra coin you had if you went bust.

GimmeDattt · Mar 25, 2009

I'm not really a numbers guy but I think there are better ways to place this hand.

Your flop bet is screaming to get it all-in which I don't know if you want to do all the time because usually you are going to be 36%-41% to win the hand. However, I think if you check to the original raiser that play is much more profitable. If he checks you get a free shot at the heart and if it comes you play the hand to maximize value and if it doesn't come you save money.

If he bets you come over the top with a big raise and you can get him off a lot of hands here. He may fold 10-10, JJ, 99, AK depending on your image and all are hands that are in his range. Hell, he has to think about folding his KQ here. I think you pick up more pots and in the long run more money with a check.

But, it is clear you were ready to gamble with it and were fine with getting your stack in at 36%-41% which I really don't mind given the game.

Akillies · Mar 25, 2009

how do you find these games?
he is callin all in with KQ?

Dante · Mar 25, 2009

Akillies said:
how do you find these games?
he is callin all in with KQ?

@)

I know , I know and it was a insta call all in to by him... did not even think

thanks again all for the feedback im sure it was not a perfect play and I do not do these often that is for sure

GimmeDattt · Mar 25, 2009

Thats a standard play at $1/$2 on Pokerstars.

You can get ridiculolus action on all your hands on Stars and Tilt up to $2/$4. Although, this is why more bad beats occur and you hear the whining.

GimmeDattt · Mar 25, 2009

Dante said:
@)@) I know , I know and it was a insta all in to by him... did not even think

thanks again all for the feedback im sure it was not a perfect play and I do not do these often that is for sure

If your not doing this everytime then your play is fine. I guess you put him on a missed flop and you can get him off most of his range other then AA, KK, AQ, and apparently KQ.

niltes · Mar 25, 2009

i like your flop bet, but when you are check-raised on the
flop there are 2 ways to play the hand.

the first way is to play it like you did, although i would
vary my play i would prefer to go all-in on a draw more often
if my opponent is a strong enough player to throw his hand
away right then after getting re-raised. also your table image
is important too. if you have been playing selectively, winning
pots, and showing only good hands then the timing is better
for your all-in bet.

the other way is to call the flop and make a big bet if you
hit your ace or a heart. this play is preferred when your opponent
has shown an inability to lay a hand down or if your table image
is not strong due to losing or showing down hands that are
weak or bluffs.

as you can see there is no 100% right play, but i've given you
my thoughts on how to make the correct decision.
hope this helps.

akilles is right, finding a game where an opponent will risk a lot of
chips calling with kq in that spot is pretty sweet. he found you
with one of the few hands where it was coin flip. most of the
time if he calls your bet, he would find himself drawing very slim
and getting much the worst of it. your play is good, his play
is terrible.

Hookandcrook+ · Mar 25, 2009

Akillies said:
how do you find these games?
he is callin all in with KQ?

He probably put him on a flush draw. And knew he was in front.

WVU · Mar 25, 2009

I dont like the all in bet here. With only a nut flush draw I would check to the pre flop raiser. You were likely behind in the hand and pushing when behind is never good unless you expect a fold.

I think if you checked you would have still seen the turn for fairly cheap. If you dont get your flush then you will have likely saved most of your stack.

Spaded707 · Mar 25, 2009

Pretty horrible play if you ask me, the guy could easily have AA or KK as it looked like he did, there is no need to lead into him when you don't have a made hand. Check to the raiser and call his bet. On the turn you can bust him when you hit the nuts. Another reason I hate playing with people who dont give a fuck about money and go all in on a draw. Way overplayed but it worked out for you, it won't always though.

billhill999 · Mar 25, 2009

Great play Dante, well done.

InsideThePylons · Mar 25, 2009

Some of the advice on this hand is just shocking.

Dante played it perfect.

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