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I will be betting this kid all year long. He has had personal problems in the past and was out of baseball for a couple years, but now is back and showed it last year. The kid has ridiculous stuff and will be a sleeper this year. People still don't know much about him because he plays in KC and has only been back for one year. We will see how he pans out, but I think he wins at least 18 even on Kansas City (who has an upside this year).

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greinke is 0-7 with an era of 7.78 at cellular field... Ill take the white sox to the bank today
 

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That is a good point and last year 0-2 their with 15 earned runs, but this is hiw year and he won't be embarassed like that again. If I am wrong I will admit it, but i like him tomday.

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That is a good point and last year 0-2 their with 15 earned runs, but this is hiw year and he won't be embarassed like that again. If I am wrong I will admit it, but i like him tomday.

BOL this year Lucky3

that's all good but do consider this most of the games this year have followed pitcher's trends from last year.
 

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I'm on the under i that matchup today...great duel between Greinke and Floyd hopefully!
 

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Fastball location matters for Greinke vs. Chicago's power bats

Kansas City might be the dark horse in the American League Central. If the Royals are to become the surprise of '09, Zack Greinke must continue to produce. The right-hander quietly posted a 3.47 ERA last season over 32 starts. The Royals face the White Sox on Wednesday.
Greinke has pitched very well against White Sox first baseman Paul Konerko throughout his career, but he has struggled against Chicago's other right-handed power threat, right fielder Jermaine Dye:
Batting vs. Greinke (2004-2008)

<table> <thead> <tr><th>
</th> <th>BA</th> <th>OPS</th> <th>Well-hit avg.</th> </tr> </thead> <tbody> <tr class="last"> <td>Jermaine Dye</td> <td>.364</td> <td>1.127</td> <td>.394</td> </tr> <tr class="last"> <td>Paul Konerko</td> <td>.135</td> <td>.489</td> <td>.270</td> </tr> </tbody> </table>

Kansas City's ace-in-making has gone after both Dye and Konerko with fastballs, but he has done a much better job of mixing his locations against Konerko:
Greinke's fastball location percentage

<table> <thead> <tr><th>
</th> <th>Outside</th> <th>Middle</th> <th>Inside</th> </tr> </thead> <tbody> <tr class="last"> <td>Jermaine Dye</td> <td>48.8</td> <td>26.2</td> <td>25.0</td> </tr> <tr class="last"> <td>Paul Konerko</td> <td>37.9</td> <td>25.2</td> <td>36.9</td> </tr> </tbody> </table>

Dye may be keying on the fastball away as he has made solid contact on 4 of 8 at-bats ending on outside fastballs.
Greinke's off-speed stuff should be effective if he can get ahead of the White Sox's tandem. Dye is 3-for-13 against his non-fastballs with five strikeouts, and Konerko is a lowly 1-for-12 with six strikeouts.
 

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What history tells us about Zack Greinke's future (Hint: it's good)

Zack Greinke goes for the Royals today, and if there's anything that can take fans' minds off the Kyle Farnsworth debacle from yesterday, it's Zack.

All due respect to Meche, but Greinke is the Royals' best starter, or at least the one with the brightest future, and the guy who will be starting opening days when and if the Royals put themselves into contention the next few years.

He signed the $38 million deal in the offseason, and it's no coincidence that he's coming off a terrific season in which he looked to be (finally) fulfilling the potential that so many see in him.

In his age 24 season, Greinke won 13 games, went over 200 innings, struck out 183, with a 3.47 ERA and 123 ERA+. A really nice season, no matter how you look at it, and one that has at least a few "experts" predicting he'll win the Cy Young -- this year.

I puched those numbers -- the age, wins, innings, strikeouts and ERA+ -- into the new-and-improved Baseball Reference's magical Play Index machine, cut it down to seasons since 1978, and came up with a promising list.

There have been 22 such seasons since 1978 -- a date I picked randomly, but just wanted to get names most of us have seen pitch -- and I think you'd take your chances having any of these guys.

Dwight Gooden did it three times (and did it by 21), Roger Clemens and Carlos Zambrano each did it twice, so there are 18 pitchers on this list -- and really, Mark Prior is the only scary name.

They're not all Hall of Famers, but most of these guys were/are absolute rotation studs for more than just a season or two. Barry Zito is on an all-time terrible contract with the Giants now, but won a Cy Young and 102 games for the A's.

Ramon Martinez hasn't had the career some expected, but he won 15 or more games four times and you have to wonder how much he was held back with his "Greinke season" including 12 complete games at the age of 20, throwing 234 innings and violating the Verducci Effect.*

Most of the other names are a who's-who of the best pitchers in recent years, like Jake Peavy, Roy Oswalt, and Cole Hamels. It's a good list when Javier Vazquez (another Verducci violator) is one of the shakiest names.

Six of the guys on this list -- Greinke, Hamels, Justin Verlander, Tim Lincecum*, Scott Kazmir and Chad Billingsley -- had their big seasons in 2007 or 2008, but there's not a team in baseball that wouldn't take the next five seasons of each.

* Tiny Tim fell to the 10th pick in the 2006 draft -- the one where the Royals took Luke Hochevar -- mostly because of concerns about his size and possible injuries. He pitched 227 innings last year, 50 more than he did the year before, a blatant violation of Verducci's rule. This info may have been more helpful before your fantasy draft.

You could make an argument that Greinke's future is as bright as anybody on the list (Clemens being the exception), because of the easy delivery, clean injury history, and reliance as much on movement and location as velocity. Heck, Greinke spent most of the spring trying to perfect his changeup.

His velocity was actually higher last September than it was in April, and there are people in baseball who think he was as good as any pitcher in the league last year.

You never know in sports, of course, and that's often the beauty. All of this is just another way of saying that signing Greinke looks like a really smart move, and it's probably OK for gun-shy Royals fans to fall in love.
Submitted by Sam Mellinger on April 8, 2009 - 7:32am.
 

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many times spring training numbers don't mean much but greinke got absolutely crushed all spring so there could be some issue there or maybe he was just working on a new pitch or tinkering with mechanics. 28 IP, 59 hits & walks allowed & 29 ER.
 

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I've been a huge fan of Greinke since he was a prospect. The guy has #1 stuff and his head seems to be good finally. He had a weird condition where he just felt really weird with people watching him more or less which wasn't a good thing to have as a pitcher. Anyway, he should have a quality season and I'll like be on him a few times this year if KC is undervalued again.
 

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gavin floyd at home has been a cash cow the last couple of years. thinking of run line with a great value. gl
 

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i watched greinke this spring, and boy did he labor. He and hillman are trying to reassure the fan base that everything is ok and he is more than ready to go. I don't like the Royal's chances at all today with Floyd having a great spring and he's pretty solid at home. Odds are not in the Royal's favor tonight.
 

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CWS ......very good @ home vs there division last rear .....Very good .........
 

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I've been a huge fan of Greinke since he was a prospect. The guy has #1 stuff and his head seems to be good finally. He had a weird condition where he just felt really weird with people watching him more or less which wasn't a good thing to have as a pitcher. Anyway, he should have a quality season and I'll like be on him a few times this year if KC is undervalued again.

Yeah, that is why he was out all of 2006, but he is definitely back!
 

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I just handicapped the game and I have no idea why CHW is only -107. It almost scared me off the bet since the line was so far off. This one even got steamed down. Doesn't make any sense.
 

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FYI.....While in High School, my son played on a scout team with him and played against him often in High School games. Greinke led the state of Florida in hitting all four years. He was an awesome hitter! Everybody was wondering which way he would be drafted, as a position player or pitcher. He was a little "mechanical" at shortstop and probably would have been a third basemen...
 

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