Hello all. Quick question, well maybe not quick. I've been partrolling the boards for a bit and occassionally post here n there. I've been reading the classics lately. I'm heading to vegas in a couple weeks. And I've seen some threads pertaining to how a lot of people have success in slots and video poker. May I ask how? I never gave either of these much a chance. Usually stick to blackjack and craps. Is there a strategy or just luck? I put a $100 in here n there in a slot but never devoted the amount of $ I do to craps or blackjack. I'm just curious to hear how people have success in slots n video poker. As if there's a system or something I'd love to try it out in vegas. Any information would be greatly appreciated as I'd love to give it a try
this past march when i went for march madness.... i did pretty good on quarter slots.... i never play poker slots.... always 2 to 3 coin reel slots ! now my wife will play 50.00 and then move.... i like to stay on one machine till it hit's ! it will pay sooner or later.... but as soon as it hits ... move to the next machine.... good luck... scott "aka" bulldogboogers
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Slots are basically nothing more than hitting the spin button over and over and hoping you hit something. No strategy involved.
Video Poker does have some strategy which can be found on the internet. The best machine imo to play is a 9/6 Jacks or Better Video Poker machine. I have found though that in recent years the casinos seem to hide these machines.
Video Poker does have some strategy which can be found on the internet. The best machine imo to play is a 9/6 Jacks or Better Video Poker machine. I have found though that in recent years the casinos seem to hide these machines.
Not sure there is a way to beat slots. I used to have a ladder system that I played that would conserve money so that hopefully you could stick around long enough to hit something big. It went something like this:
Find a machine that allows 3 coins
Play 1 coin at a time for 9 pulls, then 2 coins for 5 pulls and then 3 coins for 3 pulls. If at any time you hit something that pays 10X then you start over at the beginning. I would usually play 3 or 4 ladders on a machine and then move to the next one. I did hit a $500 payout once on a quarter machine. Also hit a few $50 payouts. Overall I did better using this system than just plugging the max coins every pull.
It really is best to learn a table game, more fun IMO.
Find a machine that allows 3 coins
Play 1 coin at a time for 9 pulls, then 2 coins for 5 pulls and then 3 coins for 3 pulls. If at any time you hit something that pays 10X then you start over at the beginning. I would usually play 3 or 4 ladders on a machine and then move to the next one. I did hit a $500 payout once on a quarter machine. Also hit a few $50 payouts. Overall I did better using this system than just plugging the max coins every pull.
It really is best to learn a table game, more fun IMO.
I played professionally for quite a few years and still dabble in it.
My advice to you is learn the following games to perfection......
9/6 JACKS OR BETTER
FULL PAY DUECES WILD(100.72)
After that, you can add different games to your resume.
The best time to play these games is usually during some type of casino promotion, whatever that may be.
Read everything and anything by Bob Dancer and Dan Paymar and as was said, stay abreast of things through the VPfree site.
FH
I just returned from Biloxi and was able to grind a $1400 profit out over four days there(thanks in part to a $1,000 Royal Flush).
The worst thing about VP is the huge swings you will have to encounter on your way to profitability. However, if applied correctly, you will almost certainly come out a winner.
Make sure you know precisely what you are doing before you attack this.
I have people ask me questions like " What do you do if you are dealt a pair of aces and a pair of fives ". This drives me crazy as I have no idea how to play the hand unless I know what game you are playing. Every single game has a complete new set of strategies and I would be wasting my time trying to improve someone's video poker playing by simply answering a question or two when I know they have no idea how to successfully play their cards. Being successful long term has nothing to do with luck ! First and by far the most important is to know and find games with winning pay schedules. Secondly one must learn the correct stategy for each individual game. Also us locals almost never play those machines until the Casinos are offering specials. 6 times points etc. etc., just exactly what Fish already mentioned. I have so many free meals, free rooms coming around town that sometimes I joke with my wife that We should sell the house and simply live in all the free rooms being offered to us. :lol:
I actually know a 10/7 Double Bonus player in Vegas that has been doing this for years........jumps from hotel to hotel and stays for free and of course has every single meal comped at a variety of places..........all the while grinding away on a winning machine. Not a great lifestyle(actually it can be), but considering the financial situations of thousands and thousands in this country, there is no need to knock him for what he does.
Making $30,000+ a year on average and working 40-50 hours a week with no housing or food expenses is a better than average way to make a living in this country.
There are probably less then 100 people in this country that know how to play DOUBLE BONUS correctly(Kermit and myself included), as it is probably the hardest strategy to learn in video poker. The game only plays out to be 100.17%, but plus to learning it is that is often offered in higher denominations and multi-play machines. This aspect comes into play in a great way good during certain promotional days and great for producing heavy play in the casinos eyes(good for comps/mailings).
DO NOT EVEN ATTEMPT TO LEARN THIS STRATEGY IN the first 1-2 years of your video poker career.........learn the basic Jacks of better strategy and Dueces Wild strategy(perfectly) before moving on.
I can appreciate how hard VP is and I'm still mastering JoB. HOWEVER, I think its a mistake to:
1 - Think that such few people know DB
2 - Advise someone to not learn it right away
There are plenty of really good computer programs that will give you casino-level simulation while also providing you with feedback when mistakes are made and you can have an accurate representation of your EV. Learning *any* VP strategy is not that difficult. Notice that I did not say "easy", but its not difficult if you're willing to apply yourself
A few years back when online gambling was "legal" in the US, it was
possible to make an absolute fortune playing online video poker
(due to various bonuses which made the machines positive EV).
There was also a site called slotland.com that had monthly
promotions which made slot play definitely positive EV.
I think that was the only slot play I've ever done.
99+% of the time you put money in a slot machine, you are making
a horrendous bet.
possible to make an absolute fortune playing online video poker
(due to various bonuses which made the machines positive EV).
There was also a site called slotland.com that had monthly
promotions which made slot play definitely positive EV.
I think that was the only slot play I've ever done.
99+% of the time you put money in a slot machine, you are making
a horrendous bet.
I agree 100 % ! Here is Las Vegas there are lots of advantage players that know exactly what they are doing. If you need more proof, simply drop by the Palms and try to find a open 100 % unmarked double bonus poker machine. They have a number of machines and only the knowledgeable advantage players know the difference. The bartenders there know their players and pour our drinks without us asking. Of course they know they wouldn't be stiffed when We hit a Royal. A interesting side story happened to me last Thursday. You have never heard me ever mention about my participation in any of these free slot tournaments being offered around town because they are really just a waste of my time as I can make far more $$ playing Video Poker. However I dropped by the Palms after work and after losing the free $$ awarded me by the Palms, I noticed a slot contest being held in the Key West room. I hesitated for some reason and then decided to ask the guy if I even qualified as you have to get a notice in the mail and I always throw such offers away. He said yes I did after running my card and since the slot tournament only took 7 minutes, I thought why not ? Well they set me up on machine number 30 and I have no idea what's going on. I am busy talking to the gal next to me who was also born in Minnesota. The name of the game was Texas Tea I think. Several times a bonus went off and I had no idea how to proceed so
She would tell me " You have to touch something several times ". I noticed my score was just slightly better than the two players on either side of me until suddenly my score went from like 13,000 to like 68,000. I finished with 73,280.
I said " What happened ", She said " I will guarantee you that you have just won the $ 500. first place prize ". I guess I lined up all 5 Texas Tea symbols in a line. She was correct as I easily took first in this 2 hour event. Bottom line.... Skill is great but sometimes luck will come in very handy. Nobody can tell me that I won because I was the most skillful. I have never played the game and I didn't have a clue. The Palms always seems to be lucky for me !
I know there are lots of "advantage" players playing video poker.
STILL, VERY FEW KNOW or KNEW HOW TO PLAY DOUBLE BONUS TO PERFECTION.
Now I'm sure in the last six years more have definetly learned how to play the game correctly, but as late as 2003, very few were playing the best DOUBLE BONUS plays/promos in the city(which I know doesn't cover many others that actually know how to play the game).
Pretty much knew every DB wiseguy in the city, and at that time, it was less then twenty........and only 1-3 individuals put more hours in then myself from 1999-2003 on DB machines.........and I can also tell you that even some of the ones that were considered excellent DB players, did not know every hold correctly..........VERY, VERY tough game to play to perfection.
Now I understand that some of these "holds" in question that occurred every 300 or so hands meant very very little to the overall return, as most times it was miniscue.
The "semi-pro" DB player is in all liklihood playing a sub 100% machine, as the payback with perfect play is only 100.17............and they would need a strong promo and/or slot card to overcome their defiencies. Having said that, that is about the only time this game is really worth playing anyway, with a promo and/or good slot card.
FH
STILL, VERY FEW KNOW or KNEW HOW TO PLAY DOUBLE BONUS TO PERFECTION.
Now I'm sure in the last six years more have definetly learned how to play the game correctly, but as late as 2003, very few were playing the best DOUBLE BONUS plays/promos in the city(which I know doesn't cover many others that actually know how to play the game).
Pretty much knew every DB wiseguy in the city, and at that time, it was less then twenty........and only 1-3 individuals put more hours in then myself from 1999-2003 on DB machines.........and I can also tell you that even some of the ones that were considered excellent DB players, did not know every hold correctly..........VERY, VERY tough game to play to perfection.
Now I understand that some of these "holds" in question that occurred every 300 or so hands meant very very little to the overall return, as most times it was miniscue.
The "semi-pro" DB player is in all liklihood playing a sub 100% machine, as the payback with perfect play is only 100.17............and they would need a strong promo and/or slot card to overcome their defiencies. Having said that, that is about the only time this game is really worth playing anyway, with a promo and/or good slot card.
FH
