Do You Believe Dr. J Was On The Same Talent Level As Bird & Magic?

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Was Magic & Bird on a different level than Julius Erving, or do you think Dr. J was equally talented but Larry & Magic just had more help playing with them?
 

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Dr. J was my hero as a teenager. I think he was definetely as talented or even more than Bird or Magic. I saw him walk down Nate "Tiny" Archibold for the Celtics and palm the ball in mid air as Tiny Archibold went in for a layup. Dr J. came down and had the ball in one hand. To this day, a man who goes to my church and I will still get together before the service and talk about Julius "Eeerrrving" and how great he was. Good Topic.
 

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in his aba days , the doctor was as good as any player in history...
 

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I saw all three play live and would have a hard time pickng one over the other two if I was a NBA Team GM and they were all available as rookies to me but I could only take one.

As a life long Celtic fan that is IMO saying a lot for Dr J. who truly was not only an super acrobatic crowd pleasing player but a real leader just like Magic and Larry Bird in the locker room. I might just take Moses Malone as a rookie over all three though while I am playing make believe.


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The Best of Rivals: Julius Erving Versus Larry Bird

A slightly different version of this article was originally published in the June 2004 issue of Basketball Digest.

In the early 1980s the biggest NBA rivalry was Julius Erving-Larry Bird. Magic Johnson versus Bird was a great college showdown for the 1979 NCAA title but after they entered the NBA Johnson and Bird only faced each other twice a year until Bird's Celtics defeated Johnson's Lakers in the 1984 NBA Finals.

Erving's Philadelphia 76ers played Bird's Celtics six times in each regular season and faced off in four Eastern Conference Finals between 1980 and 1985. Erving and Bird frequently guarded each other, while Magic and Bird played different positions and only guarded each other on defensive switches.

The Erving-Bird rivalry captured the public's imagination. In 1983, Electronic Arts produced Julius Erving-Larry Bird One-on-One, the forerunner of NBA Live and all the other sports video games; it would have been unimaginable to choose any other matchup at that time. Erving and Bird actively participated in the creation of the game and as a result the final product incorporated real life aspects of each player’s style.

Larry Bird had an instant impact in 1979-80, winning Rookie of the Year and lifting the Celtics from 29 wins to 61. Erving was already firmly established as an all-time great; the next year he and Kareem Abdul-Jabbar were the only active players selected to the NBA’s 11 man 35th Anniversary All-Time Team. The Sixers finished two games behind Boston in the regular season, but defeated the Celtics 4-1 in the Eastern Conference Finals.

Early in the 1980-81 season, Erving posted his NBA career high of 45 points in a 117-113 overtime win versus Boston in Philadelphia; Bird had 36 points and 21 rebounds in defeat. At the end of that season the teams met again and the Celtics secured the number one seed in the conference with a 98-94 win in Boston. Erving won the 1981 NBA MVP over Bird in the closest balloting ever, becoming the first non-center to capture the honor since Oscar Robertson (1964).

Philadelphia stormed to a 3-1 advantage when the teams faced off in the Eastern Conference Finals. The Celtics countered by taking game five in Boston 111-109 and game six in Philadelphia 100-98, Bird’s first win in Philadelphia in 11 regular season and playoff games. Boston completed the improbable comeback when Bird's jump shot in the final minute provided the margin of victory in a 91-90 game seven thriller.

In 1981-82, Erving and Bird clashed in the Eastern Conference Finals for the third straight year. Philadelphia took a 3-1 lead but again stumbled twice, resulting in another pressure packed game seven in Boston. This time the Sixers rolled to a 120-106 win, led by Andrew Toney's 34 points and Erving's 29. It would be more than a decade before another NBA team won a game seven on the road.

Erving and Bird played hard but generally clean against each other. One famous exception occurred in November 1984. Bird was uncharacteristically dominating Erving. Some reports said that he taunted his rival by saying "42-6, Doc" (the respective scoring totals of the players to that point), a charge that Bird denied.

They also were roughing each other up at both ends of the court. It culminated in an exchange of blows that led to the ejections of both players, the only such episode in Erving's 16 year professional career. Each player was fined $7500, one of the largest fines in NBA history at the time. The players expressed no lingering animosity publicly and never engaged in subsequent extracurricular activity against each other.

Boston suffered early playoff elimination in 1983 and the Sixers endured the same fate in 1984, but Erving and Bird renewed their postseason rivalry for the last time in the 1985 Eastern Conference Finals. The teams split 3-3 in the regular season, but Boston took the playoff series 4-1. Bird was now in the prime of his career, while the 35 year old Erving would retire after two more seasons.

Erving and Bird battled to a virtual standstill for eight seasons: 2-2 in four playoff series, 12-12 in playoff games, 23-21 in Bird’s favor in regular season games (Boston and Philadelphia split the four games they played during that era when Bird and/or Erving did not play). Both had an uncanny propensity to produce in the clutch, as Pete Axthelm noted in a 1986 column: "Bird...probably makes as many crucial shots as any recent star except Julius Erving." It is easy to point out the stylistic differences between them, but they were similar in the area that matters most: the ability to bring out the best in one's teammates and elevate a team to a championship level.
 

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Oh yeah...definitely. What really hurt his public perception is that he didn't play in the NBA until he was like 26. I would make the arguement that Julius Erving was the greatest ABA player of all-time. Of course, the ABA was always viewed as a second-class league (which it probably was). But talent wise I would say he is in the class of Magic & Bird. Definitely.
 

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i grew up watching the good doctor even the old ABA on saturdays........bird and magic could only dream of doing the things on the court DRJ did.....that being said he wasnt IMO as good of player as either bird or magic overall......... bird magic are the elite of the NBA with jordan wilt jabbar and when said and done kobe and lebron too.......i would put DRJ in the second tier of superstars with george gervin and the likes
 
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i grew up watching the good doctor even the old ABA on saturdays........bird and magic could only dream of doing the things on the court DRJ did.that being said he wasnt IMO as good of player as either bird or magic overall.........i bird magic are the elite of the NBA with jordan wilt jabbar and when said and done kobe and lebron too.......i would put DRJ in the second tier of superstars with george gervin and the likes

Sharp post. Dr J was flashier than Bird and Magic, but not as good
overall.
 

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Top 10 Dunks Career Julius Erving...

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I'm happy to say I got to see all three ( Bird,Magic & Dr.J ) play in person.
One thing I will say is that all 3 are some of the Best to ever play the game.
To me, Dr. J was as good as Bird & Magic. But this hard ( to Compare )

I would think that a better thing to do is leave out Bird and match up Magic and Dr.J ( Now that would be a Fuking Show to watch )


Anyway, Dr.J had given me joy by watching him Play for the NEW YORK NETS. I got to see him play often and he wasn't just good, but also Entertaining !

Also doesn't hurt that he is Long Island Grown :103631605
 

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The difference between Dr. J and Bird and Magic is that he was many times a one man show while Bird and Magic were the consumate team players that could also take over a game. Dr. J did things no one had seen before and even a young little kid named Michael Jordan copied his game after the great Dr. and would be the first to tell you that.
 

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Doc couldn't really fill it from the outside. His jumper was ugly.
 

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Top 10 Dunks Career Julius Erving...

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He didn't travel in any of the ten.
 

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Old School NBA - This is a classic scene from 1984

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