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Finally had a couple of dogs hit yesterday. Had TB, Cleveland, Texas and Florida. Mets and AZ couldn't pull through but Sox hit it off. Papelbon makes it interesting most of the time.

Favorites have been covering at an alarming rate. Lets see what happens today. I have a wedding at 2:00 and won't be around to find out lineup changes. I'm tailing today buffett. Hopefully you don't mind.

I put a medium play on the Rays and Milwaukee. What do you see?

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GG,
No surprise that today it is the underdogs that are coming with value. As expected, oddsmakers inflated some favorites, and the market just added to this inflation by bidding up the opening price on some of these teams. Betting underdogs can produce bad days due to the increase in variance of longer odds, but value is value.
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There was very small value on the Reds with the opening price, and the market just opened the Reds up as a small play by making their line shoot up 7%. The Cubs are hot, the Reds are not. If one thinks that the angle for betting the Cubs, they are sadly mistaken. The odds reflect this notion.
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Very small play on the A’s at this price. Not expecting a win here, but they have a better chance than the market thinks. The market shot the A’s price up 23% off the open. Seeing a pattern?
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I would love to bet against Tallet and the Jays, but not at the current market price. I value the Rays at -108 (prior to lineup info), so if the line drops a little, I will enter a small position on Price.
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I entered a medium/large position on the Cardinals on the overnight at +124. Their current no-vig price is +115. At +112 or better, the Cards would be a medium play, anything worse; it would be a small play.
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The most undervalued team on the overnight was the White Sox. Oddsmakers love <?xml:namespace prefix = st1 ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" /><st1:City><st1:place>Jackson</st1:place></st1:City> and truly think his current form is sustainable. The fact that the market bid down a favorite with a hot pitcher and being at home tells you something. Clearly not as much value on the White Sox compared to the overnight, but still warrant a medium play at the current market price.
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The market bid up a slightly inflated line on the Mariners. The Indians have small/medium value at the no-vig price of +170.
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I put in a nice size position on the Twins last night at +115. It looks like I will crush the closing line here. The fact the market bid down a price on one of the hottest teams in baseball goes to show you how off oddsmakers were on the open. Small value left on the Twins.
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I put in a small position on the Mets last night at +131. I would touch them at the current price.
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The market is sending the Brewers game in the wrong direction right now. Hanson’s current form is not sustainable, nor is the Braves team. Looks like it is time to go against them. Medium play on the Brewers.
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No play in the Padres/Nats game. Looks like the market doesn’t know what to do with that line either.
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Lester’s overvalued tendencies offset <st1:City><st1:place>Boston</st1:place></st1:City>’s undervalued tendencies. No play at the current market price.
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The oddsmakers did well with their setting of the Rangers/Royals game. The market agrees.
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Medium play on the Dbacks.
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Medium play on the Giants
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No play in the Marlins/Dodgers game.
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As always, positions expected to change due to line moves and new available information.
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Buffett,

Excellent points and hopefully the lineup and other information doesn't sway the wager too much on my end as it'll be tough during my best friends wedding to devalue the games.

GOOD LUCK TODAY.

GEKKO
 

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Material change in the Rays valuation. They have become a play. I see you already had them GG, so moot point.
Best of luck.
 

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Whats up. I been busying for a while but been checking on the threads sometimes. Have a few questions.

What is Kelly ratio and where can i find more about it?

I thought you only flat bet buffet? then what % of bankroll do you recommend for MLB for going small, medium and large bets?

Can't believe the short price on the Brewers, BTW

Oh yeah, why is Cain coming with so much value the last 2 games?
 

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Whats up. I been busying for a while but been checking on the threads sometimes. Have a few questions.

What is Kelly ratio and where can i find more about it?

I thought you only flat bet buffet? then what % of bankroll do you recommend for MLB for going small, medium and large bets?

Can't believe the short price on the Brewers, BTW

Oh yeah, why is Cain coming with so much value the last 2 games?

Kelly Ratio's are typically a number less than one that handicappers implement in order to reduce the risk of ruin on their bankroll. There are a lot of people not comfortable or have limit contraints (the latter more typical) betting at fully kelly as well.

In the past I have reccommended flat betting on forums for the simple reason that most people can't accurately quantify their edge(or lackerthereof) and implementing Kelly or a hybrid Kelly will not only take away time and attention from trying to improve the deficiency of being unable to quantify edges, but betting at fully kelly can encourage the increase the nominal overbet for a non advantage gambler compared to flat betting. Being agnostic to the nominal bet size of each and every bet surely doesnt make sense, nor does betting Kelly when you can't quantify games accurately(neither does flat betting).

Its hard to recommend a % of bankroll for small, medium and large bets, as you can not maximize bankroll growth without implementing Kelly, thus arbitrary levels can not be supported mathematically from a growth optimization perspective. It is also hard to reccommend a %, since it shouldn't be the same for everyone, as each persons risk/return objectives and ability to quantify an edge differs greatly. Obviously, the more risk someone is willing to take and the better their quantitative model is, the higher % of their bank they should risk per game(but why not Kelly?).

The market has always underrated Gallardo. The better he pitches and the better the Brewers hitters are hitting the closer he trades to fair value, but he is never overvalued. He has been slumping of late, and so have the Brewers. His walk rate of late is a concern, but the Braves past struggles with him and pitching at home where he has faired better throughout his career can give him the needed confident boost to find the strike zone.

Not sure why Cain has been coming with this much value the last two games. One thing is for certain, Cain has always been disrespected by the marketplace throughout his career, but it seems to be getting worse now that the Giants hitters have struggled at the plate. His next start is against the Pirates team that allowed him to trade at a steal price last week. My guess is that he won't be coming with the same amount of value this time around.
 

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Lineup downgrade on the Padres. Market also bid down the Nats 12% to even money. Adding a play on the Nats.
 

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David Price is looking like the Ervin Santana of recent years with being solid at home and being terrible on the road.

I think Marlins at worth at shot at this price with the market bidding the Dodgers up. Hiroki Kuroda isn't worthy of laying this much and is being overvalued. The home field, lineup, differences is definitely factored into the line.

Marlins have won four straight and are playing well right now, finally other Marlins hitters are showing some good signs at the plate, holding their end, getting key RBI's besides Hanley. I feel Marlins bullpen is being underrated at the moment, and are on the upside currently. Rick Vanden Hurk has some nice stuff and i wouldn't mind backing him in this situation and this price.
 

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Kelly Ratio's are typically a number less than one that handicappers implement in order to reduce the risk of ruin on their bankroll. There are a lot of people not comfortable or have limit contraints (the latter more typical) betting at fully kelly as well.

In the past I have reccommended flat betting on forums for the simple reason that most people can't accurately quantify their edge(or lackerthereof) and implementing Kelly or a hybrid Kelly will not only take away time and attention from trying to improve the deficiency of being unable to quantify edges, but betting at fully kelly can encourage the increase the nominal overbet for a non advantage gambler compared to flat betting. Being agnostic to the nominal bet size of each and every bet surely doesnt make sense, nor does betting Kelly when you can't quantify games accurately(neither does flat betting).

Its hard to recommend a % of bankroll for small, medium and large bets, as you can not maximize bankroll growth without implementing Kelly, thus arbitrary levels can not be supported mathematically from a growth optimization perspective. It is also hard to reccommend a %, since it shouldn't be the same for everyone, as each persons risk/return objectives and ability to quantify an edge differs greatly. Obviously, the more risk someone is willing to take and the better their quantitative model is, the higher % of their bank they should risk per game(but why not Kelly?).

The market has always underrated Gallardo. The better he pitches and the better the Brewers hitters are hitting the closer he trades to fair value, but he is never overvalued. He has been slumping of late, and so have the Brewers. His walk rate of late is a concern, but the Braves past struggles with him and pitching at home where he has faired better throughout his career can give him the needed confident boost to find the strike zone.

Not sure why Cain has been coming with this much value the last two games. One thing is for certain, Cain has always been disrespected by the marketplace throughout his career, but it seems to be getting worse now that the Giants hitters have struggled at the plate. His next start is against the Pirates team that allowed him to trade at a steal price last week. My guess is that he won't be coming with the same amount of value this time around.
Thanks. I will google up on Kelly ratio to get a greater understanding of it.

I read back on your example you gave with the 20 cent overnight line and buying a little back, it made sense putting yourself in +EV bets in the long run.
 

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David Price is looking like the Ervin Santana of recent years with being solid at home and being terrible on the road.

I think Marlins at worth at shot at this price with the market bidding the Dodgers up. Hiroki Kuroda isn't worthy of laying this much and is being overvalued. The home field, lineup, differences is definitely factored into the line.

Marlins have won four straight and are playing well right now, finally other Marlins hitters are showing some good signs at the plate, holding their end, getting key RBI's besides Hanley. I feel Marlins bullpen is being underrated at the moment, and are on the upside currently. Rick Vanden Hurk has some nice stuff and i wouldn't mind backing him in this situation and this price.

I had the Marlins undervalued yesterday and have them undervalued today. For tonights game, I have them fairly valued. My intrinsic no-vig line is Dodger-166/Marlins +166. The current market no-vig price has it as Dodgers -165/Marlins +165. So in my opinion, the market is undervaluing the Marlins lineup or bullpen (or both) relative to the Dodgers, but are undervaluing the disparity in worth Karuda has over VandenHurk. Yes, he does have solid stuff, but the lack of control of it can be a problem tonight. The Dodgers, unlike a young Padres lineup he got by with in his first start, has the patience and approach that has given this young arm problems in the past. I think Karuda is out of favor right now with the July production he has put forth. I think we have scene the worst of him. Best of luck though.
 

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Thanks. I will google up on Kelly ratio to get a greater understanding of it.

I read back on your example you gave with the 20 cent overnight line and buying a little back, it made sense putting yourself in +EV bets in the long run.

Even though I bet overnights, rarely do I bet into 20 cent lines (only when I think lines will move during the duration the Greek has their lines up relative to cheaper shops).

There are a lot of "sharps" and "squares" alike that stand by the notion hedging is not optimal as it often times leads one to bet into -EV bets. But from the pure standpoint of bankroll growth optimization, there is time in which placing -EV bets (thus hedging) does make sense from a growth standpoint.
If and how much to buy back is dependent on the following variables:
-Intrinsic value of the team you bet at time of purchase
-Intrinsic value the team you bet and opponent at time of potential hedge
-Price paid for original bet
-Current market price
-Kelly Ratio

There are also other variables that can influence the hedge, such as how much you repsect the market relative to your own valuation.
 

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Even though I bet overnights, rarely do I bet into 20 cent lines (only when I think lines will move during the duration the Greek has their lines up relative to cheaper shops).

There are a lot of "sharps" and "squares" alike that stand by the notion hedging is not optimal as it often times leads one to bet into -EV bets. But from the pure standpoint of bankroll growth optimization, there is time in which placing -EV bets (thus hedging) does make sense from a growth standpoint.
If and how much to buy back is dependent on the following variables:
-Intrinsic value of the team you bet at time of purchase
-Intrinsic value the team you bet and opponent at time of potential hedge
-Price paid for original bet
-Current market price
-Kelly Ratio

There are also other variables that can influence the hedge, such as how much you repsect the market relative to your own valuation.
Sorry, i meant the 20 cent edge a team that was -110 on your intrinsic value and the opening line (overnight) being +110 then later during game day the market fixed the line up, giving you an option to hedge or put a little % on the other side leading into +EV bets.
 

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