Help with a dispute

$tinky · Jul 29, 2009

I wanted to get some opinions on this dispute. I won't even say which side of the counter I'm on unless I give it away in my explanation.

It involves a player having a wager deleted due to a bad line.

The bet was on #6802 Istanbul Womens tennis match M. Koryttseva +1300 over V. Zvonerva.

the line opened +660 and closed +874 (according to sports options) I do know that the line was higher than this though at some point perhaps even when the bet was made.

the bet was made an hour before the match started at 8am pacific time. the book did not catch the "mistake" until 7pm quite sometime after the play was graded and obviously over. It was then deleted and the player was told it was no action due to a bad line.

Is this a bad line?

Even if this line is a bad does the player have case since he was not made aware that it was no action until after the event was over?

FYI:
The player does not have a reputation for betting bad lines. The book is an offscreen shop and they to have a good reputation and have not been know to pull anything shady in the past.

I'd appreciate some advice and or opinions from some of you guys.

thx

fivestarjake · Jul 29, 2009

imo since the wager was made an hour before the match and the "bad" line wasn't detected til after the match was over(i'm guessing some 8 hrs later?)then the book should leave it.

Betallsports · Jul 29, 2009

Going back to Yesterdays Lines, I do not see the line Ever going to +1300

But then again, I do not know which Shop you are taking about.

No need to Post it, just saying.

SportSavant · Jul 29, 2009

was the play graded as a winner temporarily in your account? or was it pending until 7pm when they caught it?

goodcall · Jul 29, 2009

hopefully the player gets their money back...that's too close to the actual line to be called "bad"

Betallsports · Jul 29, 2009

fivestarjake said:
imo since the wager was made an hour before the match and the "bad" line wasn't detected til after the match was over(i'm guessing some 8 hrs later?)then the book should leave it.

This is True, 8+ hours later is a BS move, IMO

$tinky · Jul 29, 2009

Bas, you are probably right. It was more than likely a bit high. Where do you draw that line though? Sure if it was plus 13000 obviously line mover hit an extra zero and hence a bad line due to human error.

I can see the player here feeling like he got free rolled.

Say they caught it and sent an email before the match started. Totally different story then the free roll is taken out of play.

$tinky · Jul 29, 2009

SportSavant said:
was the play graded as a winner temporarily in your account? or was it pending until 7pm when they caught it?

it was graded a winner and stayed that way from 12pm until like 7pm then it was deleted. the player did not know what happened until he called the agent.

Betallsports · Jul 29, 2009

$tinky said:
it was graded a winner and stayed that way from 12pm until like 7pm then it was deleted. the player did not know what happened until he called the agent.

See this is what's Wrong with this Business !! Sorry, But that was the Wrong Move.
I Believe......IMO, Then in this Case, the Bet should have been Adjusted.

I just hope, it wasn't the Shop I think it was.....^<<^

D2bets · Jul 29, 2009

NOT a bad line. The difference between +874 and +1300 is not even that much. 10.267% win rate needed vs. 7.143%. That's like a -125 vs. a -110. Well within margin of error. Furthermore, it's not evident how they made their error. I can see if a line was +1600 instead of +600. It's easy to see how that might happen. But +1300 -- what was the supposed intended line? Not +130. Not +300. Moreover, it was certainly not plainly obvious that it was a bad line.

Given that they reversed after the fact, sure looks like shot taking by the book.

$tinky · Jul 29, 2009

bas, i doubt it was. Its an offscreen store.

Betallsports · Jul 29, 2009

$tinky said:
bas, i doubt it was. Its an offscreen store.

I understand, so it does start with a (J)

Most Offscreen shops are tied in somewhere, with someone.

tatehill2000 · Jul 29, 2009

D2bets said:
NOT a bad line. The difference between +874 and +1300 is not even that much. 10.267% win rate needed vs. 7.143%. That's like a -125 vs. a -110. Well within margin of error. Furthermore, it's not evident how they made their error. I can see if a line was +1600 instead of +600. It's easy to see how that might happen. But +1300 -- what was the supposed intended line? Not +130. Not +300. Moreover, it was certainly not plainly obvious that it was a bad line.

Given that they reversed after the fact, sure looks like shot taking by the book.

D2 is spot on, in college hoops and foots I do ML parlays ONLY, and I see -500 line differences ALL DAY LONG! so to see it in a semi obscure tennis match seems reasonable.

certainly NOT EGREGIOUS.

tater

$tinky · Jul 30, 2009

Betallsports said:
I understand, so it does start with a (J)

Most Offscreen shops are tied in somewhere, with someone.

LOL no not this time sir.

Seymour · Jul 30, 2009

In my opinion that bet is good - if the book wants to claim a bad line it better be GLARING

bellyputter · Jul 30, 2009

Throw the guy a bone@)

! Most offscreen shops are following one of the big boys in their grading.

steaktartar · Jul 30, 2009

guy should be paid..........not that far off.........and sometimes a book has to eat it in situations like this

Iceman · Jul 30, 2009

D2bets said:
NOT a bad line. The difference between +874 and +1300 is not even that much. 10.267% win rate needed vs. 7.143%. That's like a -125 vs. a -110. Well within margin of error. Furthermore, it's not evident how they made their error. I can see if a line was +1600 instead of +600. It's easy to see how that might happen. But +1300 -- what was the supposed intended line? Not +130. Not +300. Moreover, it was certainly not plainly obvious that it was a bad line.

Given that they reversed after the fact, sure looks like shot taking by the book.

This is what I was going to say but I can honestly see it from both sides, way too take a stand huh, LOL

It looks much worse then it is when in reality it is only equal to 15-20 cents off on a standard -110 line, meaning in basbeall a +100 dog getting +115 or what a point or so in hoops? I think the the size of the odds throws one off here.

$tinky · Jul 30, 2009

I must say these are not really the replies i was expecting. Especially since a good portion of the answers were from guys with experience not just making wagers, but taking them as well.

I was trying to get unbiased responses and also tried to tell the story as fair as possible from both sides.

I will admit I had not considered this from D2bets way of explaining it. Its like betting a baseball team +125 when the consensus line was +110. I know that is hardly a bad line.

How could the player ever make a bet here again that he feels like he got a really good number without worrying that this will happen again?

thanks for the replies.

Betallsports · Jul 30, 2009

$tinky said:
I must say these are not really the replies i was expecting. Especially since a good portion of the answers were from guys with experience not just making wagers, but taking them as well.

I was trying to get unbiased responses and also tried to tell the story as fair as possible from both sides.

I will admit I had not considered this from D2bets way of explaining it. Its like betting a baseball team +125 when the consensus line was +110. I know that is hardly a bad line.

How could the player ever make a bet here again that he feels like he got a really good number without worrying that this will happen again?

thanks for the replies.

LOL, so Now I know What side of the Counter you are on. @)

The problem with the whole thing is, the 8+ hour window After the Match was completed.

If the Bet was Cancelled During, or right after the Match.....Then, it's a Different story.
You don't find many Grading Mistakes 8+ hours after a Game
Unless of course it was a Terrible line.

Then at that Point, It's a Judgement call by the Main Stage manager.
My guy ( we'll call him Leo for now ) would say Stick it up your @ss
But that's Just him.

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