8/5 MLB Discussion

<table style="width: 100%;" border="0"><tbody><tr class="Column_Date_Headers_Odds"><td colspan="7">MLB Baseball - Wed 8/5

</td> </tr><tr class="Column_Headers_Odds"> <td colspan="3">Game</td><td>Run Line</td><td>Money Line</td><td>Total Runs</td><td>More</td> </tr><tr class="AD1"> <td>Wed 8/5</td><td>901</td><td>St Louis Cardinals
K. Lohse</td><td>-1.5 +125</td><td>-131</td><td>OVER 8.5 -115</td><td rowspan="2" align="center" valign="middle">
</td> </tr><tr class="AD1"> <td>09:10 AM</td><td>902</td><td>New York Mets
J. Niese</td><td>+1.5 -135</td><td>+123</td><td>UNDER 8.5 +105</td> </tr><tr class="AD2"> <td>Wed 8/5</td><td>903</td><td>San Francisco Giants
J. Martinez</td><td>+1.5 -176</td><td>+115</td><td>OVER 9.5 +112</td><td rowspan="2" align="center" valign="middle">
</td> </tr><tr class="AD2"> <td>11:05 AM</td><td>904</td><td>Houston Astros
B. Moehler</td><td>-1.5 +166</td><td>-123</td><td>UNDER 9.5 -122</td> </tr><tr class="AD1"> <td>Wed 8/5</td><td>905</td><td>Atlanta Braves
T. Hanson</td><td>-1.5 +125</td><td>-132</td><td>OVER 7 -105</td><td rowspan="2" align="center" valign="middle">
</td> </tr><tr class="AD1"> <td>12:35 PM</td><td>906</td><td>San Diego Padres
C. Gaudin</td><td>+1.5 -135</td><td>+124</td><td>UNDER 7 -105</td> </tr><tr class="AD2"> <td>Wed 8/5</td><td>907</td><td>Florida Marlins
R. VandenHurk</td><td>+1.5 -183</td><td>+115</td><td>OVER 8.5 +104</td><td rowspan="2" align="center" valign="middle">
</td> </tr><tr class="AD2"> <td>04:05 PM</td><td>908</td><td>Washington Nationals
J. Lannan</td><td>-1.5 +173</td><td>-123</td><td>UNDER 8.5 -114</td> </tr><tr class="AD1"> <td>Wed 8/5</td><td>909</td><td>Arizona D-Backs
D. Davis</td><td>-1.5 +151</td><td>-109</td><td>OVER 8.5 +111</td><td rowspan="2" align="center" valign="middle">
</td> </tr><tr class="AD1"> <td>04:05 PM</td><td>910</td><td>Pittsburgh Pirates
R. Ohlendorf</td><td>+1.5 -161</td><td>+101</td><td>UNDER 8.5 -121</td> </tr><tr class="AD2"> <td>Wed 8/5</td><td>911</td><td>Colorado Rockies
J. De La Rosa</td><td>+1.5 -142</td><td>+147</td><td>OVER 9 -113</td><td rowspan="2" align="center" valign="middle">
</td> </tr><tr class="AD2"> <td>04:05 PM</td><td>912</td><td>Philadelphia Phillies
J. Happ</td><td>-1.5 +132</td><td>-155</td><td>UNDER 9 +103</td> </tr><tr class="AD1"> <td>Wed 8/5</td><td>913</td><td>Chicago Cubs
R. Harden</td><td>-1.5 -105</td><td>-168</td><td>OVER 9 +102</td><td rowspan="2" align="center" valign="middle">
</td> </tr><tr class="AD1"> <td>04:10 PM</td><td>914</td><td>Cincinnati Reds
J. Lehr</td><td>+1.5 -105</td><td>+160</td><td>UNDER 9 -112</td> </tr><tr class="AD2"> <td>Wed 8/5</td><td>915</td><td>Milwaukee Brewers
B. Looper</td><td>+1.5 -166</td><td>+122</td><td>OVER 9 -124</td><td rowspan="2" align="center" valign="middle">
</td> </tr><tr class="AD2"> <td>07:10 PM</td><td>916</td><td>Los Angeles Dodgers
J. Schmidt</td><td>-1.5 +156</td><td>-130</td><td>UNDER 9 +114</td> </tr><tr class="AD1"> <td>Wed 8/5</td><td>917</td><td>New York Yankees
S. Mitre</td><td>-1.5 +136</td><td>-118</td><td>OVER 9.5 -117</td><td rowspan="2" align="center" valign="middle">
</td> </tr><tr class="AD1"> <td>04:05 PM</td><td>918</td><td>Toronto Blue Jays
M. Rzepczynski</td><td>+1.5 -146</td><td>+110</td><td>UNDER 9.5 +107</td> </tr><tr class="AD2"> <td>Wed 8/5</td><td>919</td><td>Boston Red Sox
B. Penny</td><td>+1.5 -170</td><td>+118</td><td>OVER 9.5 -108</td><td rowspan="2" align="center" valign="middle">
</td> </tr><tr class="AD2"> <td>04:05 PM</td><td>920</td><td>Tampa Bay Rays
D. Price</td><td>-1.5 +160</td><td>-126</td><td>UNDER 9.5 -102</td> </tr><tr class="AD1"> <td>Wed 8/5</td><td>921</td><td>Baltimore Orioles
J. Guthrie</td><td>+1.5 -111</td><td>+185</td><td>OVER 8.5 -103</td><td rowspan="2" align="center" valign="middle">
</td> </tr><tr class="AD1"> <td>04:05 PM</td><td>922</td><td>Detroit Tigers
E. Jackson</td><td>-1.5 +101</td><td>-201</td><td>UNDER 8.5 -107</td> </tr><tr class="AD2"> <td>Wed 8/5</td><td>923</td><td>Minnesota Twins
F. Liriano</td><td>-1.5 +135</td><td>-118</td><td>OVER 9.5 +114</td><td rowspan="2" align="center" valign="middle">
</td> </tr><tr class="AD2"> <td>04:05 PM</td><td>924</td><td>Cleveland Indians
A. Laffey</td><td>+1.5 -145</td><td>+110</td><td>UNDER 9.5 -124</td> </tr><tr class="AD1"> <td>Wed 8/5</td><td>925</td><td>Seattle Mariners
L. French</td><td>-1.5 +141</td><td>-113</td><td>OVER 9 -120</td><td rowspan="2" align="center" valign="middle">
</td> </tr><tr class="AD1"> <td>05:10 PM</td><td>926</td><td>Kansas City Royals
K. Davies</td><td>+1.5 -151</td><td>+105</td><td>UNDER 9 +110</td> </tr><tr class="AD2"> <td>Wed 8/5</td><td>927</td><td>LAA Angels
S. O' Sullivan</td><td>+1.5 -175</td><td>+111</td><td>OVER 9.5 -118</td><td rowspan="2" align="center" valign="middle">
</td> </tr><tr class="AD2"> <td>05:10 PM</td><td>928</td><td>Chicago White Sox
G. Floyd</td><td>-1.5 +165</td><td>-119</td><td>UNDER 9.5 +108</td> </tr><tr class="AD1"> <td>Wed 8/5</td><td>929</td><td>Texas Rangers
V. Padilla</td><td>+1.5 -184</td><td>+112</td><td>OVER 8.5 +109</td><td rowspan="2" align="center" valign="middle">
</td> </tr><tr class="AD1"> <td>07:05 PM</td><td>930</td><td>Oakland Athletics
D. Braden</td><td>-1.5 +174</td><td>-120</td><td>UNDER 8.5 -119</td></tr></tbody></table>

Lines that stick out to me.

Braves - I have been bearish on Hanson but this is a good match-up for him where he should be confident in attacking SD weak line up. Better starting pitcher, bullpen, wood at the plate.

White Sox- Floyd at home laying a short line to a suspect Sullivan. Seems like odd makers are overvaluing Angels break out offensive production.

Bosox - Price has blow up potential as he walks a lot. Could be another bullpen battle.

O's - I am riding EJ's current form while he is regressing and still being overpriced highly.

Diamondbacks - Short price, playing well. Doug Davis against a young lineup. Pitt home splits that should not be sustainable with the line up they currently have.

agree w braves & cws
i like tb at home, penny is worse than price
cubbies jump out too, as cincy cant win a game

They are making you pay to play the Cubs. Reds have been underachieving with the sticks. Provide a good bullpen. They should come with value when they start to show signs of breaking out.

How about the Dodgers?

Brewers probably just want to get out of town.. Looper kind of sucks and the Brewers bullpen is shitty. Dodgers record vs Brewers at home last 3 years is spectacular. Schimdt is a ? but looked solid his last two outings.

TheHungerForMore said:

Lines that stick out to me.

Braves - I have been bearish on Hanson but this is a good match-up for him where he should be confident in attacking SD weak line up. Better starting pitcher, bullpen, wood at the plate.

White Sox- Floyd at home laying a short line to a suspect Sullivan. Seems like odd makers are overvaluing Angels break out offensive production.

Bosox - Price has blow up potential as he walks a lot. Could be another bullpen battle.

O's - I am riding EJ's current form while he is regressing and still being overpriced highly.

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I am bearsish on Hanson as well. I am not suprised that I did not find any value on the Braves on tommorrows card to warrant a play. However, if they get any lower, I will start nibbling. The market has bid the Padres price up the first two games. I wouldnt be suprised if they do so again, but probably not by the same magnitude.

I agree with you on the Angels as well. White Sox will be at least a medium position for me.

Bad fundamental match up for Price. But the Red Sox are only carrying small value at best. The market may bid this one up higher. I will put off on any Red Sox wagers until tommorrow.

Agree again on the Tigers. In my opinion, the Orioles are the most undervalued team on tommorrows card. They will warrant a large play for me.

TheHungerForMore said:

Diamondbacks - Short price, playing well. Doug Davis against a young lineup. Pitt home splits that should not be sustainable with the line up they currently have.

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I agree here as well. Small value on the Dbacks again tommorrow. They may be a secular value play down the stretch as the market appears oblivious that their first half was in large part due to bad luck and underachievment. Not much talk about then being 17-10 their last 27 games.

Diamondbacks bats have seemed to picked it up lately..

TheHungerForMore said:

They are making you pay to play the Cubs. Reds have been underachieving with the sticks. Provide a good bullpen. They should come with value when they start to show signs of breaking out.

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I actually got in on the Cubs earlier today as a pure speculation trade. Their valuation on the open was no where near commensurate to their valuation against the Reds in game one and two. With them starting to inflate Harden's price his last few outings, and their bearsish sentiment on Lehr in his first start, this appeared to simply be a bad line books offered on the open. I will trade out of this once I feel the market is done moving this one.

^ What's your thoughts on Marlins-Nats game and Yankees/Blue Jays?

Thanks for the replys by the way.

TheHungerForMore said:

^ What's your thoughts on Marlins-Nats game and Yankees/Blue Jays?

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The market appears to have picked off the little value there was on the table for the Marlins. It looks fairly priced right now. However, this is with a pretty bearish valuation on VandenHurk.


I see value on the Yankees in this one (small to medium play), which is the first time I have thought they have carried value in quite some time. The market appears to be turned off by Mitre with the initital move, but I think this one closes higher than the current no-vig.

Yeah, you gotta respect Lannan vs VandenHurk at this price and how the Nationals been playing.

Brewers is another play that looks decent but i don't like the price. I am not high on Jason Schmidt when laying chalk this though looks like a good match-up for Brewers to put up some runs.

I rarely play 1st 5 inning lines, but Brewers may apply to one.

TheHungerForMore said:

Brewers is another play that looks decent but i don't like the price. I am not high on Jason Schmidt when laying chalk this though looks like a good match-up for Brewers to put up some runs.

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I am going to have to disagree with you here. Schmidt was very undervalued in his last start. The market still appears hesitant on him. I will have a medium play on the Dodgers, just trying to figure when to put the majority of it down. I think the market will bid this one up, but the Dodgers may rest a starter or two in this one as they start another series Thursday (a spot where they tend to rest starters). The Dodgers, probably more than any other team, has the largest VORP amongst their starters.

Dodgers edge in the bullpen and good capable of winning games from behind at home is what makes me not like the price.

buffettgambler said:

I am going to have to disagree with you here. Schmidt was very undervalued in his last start. The market still appears hesitant on him. I will have a medium play on the Dodgers, just trying to figure when to put the majority of it down. I think the market will bid this one up, but the Dodgers may rest a starter or two in this one as they start another series Thursday (a spot where they tend to rest starters). The Dodgers, probably more than any other team, has the largest VORP amongst their starters.

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Dodgers have a decent bench, if they rest a starter thats A OK.

Furious Prince Fielder is stopped at Dodgers' door
By GREG BEACHAM
AP Sports Writer

LOS ANGELES(AP) -- Not even Prince Fielder really knows what he might have done if a phalanx of security guards and teammates hadn't prevented the furious Milwaukee slugger from entering the Los Angeles clubhouse after a ninth-inning beaning.

And nobody is sure how the Brewers and the Dodgers will react in Wednesday's season finale after Los Angeles' impressive 17-4 victory Tuesday night degenerated into retaliation, recrimination and a regrettable charge through the Dodger Stadium tunnels by the Brewers' All-Star first baseman.

The trouble started when Manny Ramirez was hit by a pitch in the seventh while Los Angeles had a nine-run lead, but it didn't boil over until Guillermo Mota was ejected for drilling Fielder with two outs in the ninth. Dodgers catcher Russell Martin acknowledged it was a response to Chris Smith hitting Ramirez with what appeared to be a much less purposeful pitch.

"It's just part of the game," Martin said. "Our premier hitter gets hit, and he gets protection. I understand (Fielder) is frustrated, but you don't take care of that after the game."

Mota and Fielder were teammates in Milwaukee last year, but the veteran reliever and the burly power hitter are no longer on friendly terms. Fielder took off for the Dodgers' side of the stadium after the final out, shouting obscenities all the way to the clubhouse door.

Several teammates trailed behind him in a surreal scene, but Bill Hall and Casey McGehee got a firm grip on Fielder while a wall of security blocked his way.

Most of the Dodgers didn't know about Fielder's march, since the door he reached is at least 30 feet down a hallway from the clubhouse. They'll all hear about it before Jason Schmidt takes the mound Wednesday.

"We don't want the same situation as last year in the playoffs, when Philly threw at Manny and we didn't retaliate," Martin said, referring to last fall's NL championship series against the Phillies. "We don't want to be known as a team that doesn't have each other's backs."

The late shenanigans marred Los Angeles' highest-scoring home performance in 30 years. Brewers manager Ken Macha felt Mota's two-out pitch could have added injury to the insult of a 13-run loss.

"(Fielder) has been hit a lot, but he digs right in there and doesn't budge," Macha said. "He just doesn't like when somebody does it on purpose. I don't blame him. Everybody's trying to make a living, and this type of mentality puts everybody in jeopardy - myself, the other team, the players on the other team. So, to me, giving a guy a $500 fine and a two-day suspension is not enough. This type of stuff should be cleaned up."

Moments after his trek through the tunnel, Fielder had calmed down enough to reply sarcastically to questions. Macha said he planned to have Fielder in the lineup Wednesday.

"He came inside. It just got away from him," Fielder said. "It happens. That's baseball. He tried to come inside."

When asked about his postgame march to the other side, he deadpanned: "I don't remember that."

Ramirez ended his 10-game RBI drought with a homer and a two-run double during the Dodgers' highest-scoring performance of the season. With 18 hits and three huge innings with at least four runs, Los Angeles improved the majors' best record to 66-41 - yet the late-game pitches overshadowed everything.

"I'm pretty sure our guy wasn't really trying to hit Manny," Milwaukee's Mike Cameron said. "I mean, it just kind of grazed him. But that's how they felt. That's what they thought they needed to do, so that's cool. We'll deal with it when we cross the (lines), but there's no concern for anything right now."

Matt Kemp had a homer among his four hits while driving in five runs, getting two hits and two RBIs during the seven-run sixth inning alone. Martin reached base five times and had three RBIs.

Los Angeles sent eight men to the plate in a four-run first inning and used 12 batters in the sixth before batting around again in the five-run eighth. Six Dodgers had multihit games, including three apiece for Martin and Andre Ethier.

The Dodgers hadn't scored 17 runs at Dodger Stadium since May 25, 1979, against Cincinnati.

Hiroki Kuroda (4-5) pitched six resilient innings to earn his first win since July 3. He yielded nine hits and three runs, struck out seven and escaped a fifth-inning jam.

Ramirez ended his RBI-less streak at 44 at-bats, matching the longest drought of his career in 1997, with a long homer in the fifth off Yovani Gallardo (10-8), who yielded 10 hits and nine runs. Ramirez hadn't driven in a run since his pinch-hit grand slam July 22.

Ramirez, in a 7-for-44 slump before his 12th homer, had a chance for his 22nd career grand slam in the sixth. He settled for a sharp two-RBI drive down the left field line.

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