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I know the " is online rigged " topic has been beat to death , but I want to know either Yes or No .

Do you think the random card generator is really all that random ?

I say NO
 

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I doubt you'll get a good answer here, you are better asking this type of question on two plus two or something similar. I've played at alot of online casinos, for the most part they are fine. They don't have to "rig" the games because they already have the advantage over the player in all games so they don't have to cheat. That said, some software I avoid like RTG or Thillx as have read others having abnormal results. But if you stay with the big providers like Microgaming, Playtech or DGS you should have no issues. Problem is if you are in the US you can't use Microgaming or playtech as they don't take US customers anymore.
 

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Yup, I have millions of hands logged.

While I have played rigged casinos...id say 99% of them are legit. stick with the top casinos or books and you wont have a problem.

hell, they could rig it back in the days and you would still make money with the bonuses they offered.

but yea, i have some stats buried somewhere....if your interested i can dig them up. i was on the right side of SD with well over 2 million hands logged in BJ, and even more in VP and slots
I know the " is online rigged " topic has been beat to death , but I want to know either Yes or No .

Do you think the random card generator is really all that random ?

I say NO
 

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Pat...you still grinding bonuses?
I doubt you'll get a good answer here, you are better asking this type of question on two plus two or something similar. I've played at alot of online casinos, for the most part they are fine. They don't have to "rig" the games because they already have the advantage over the player in all games so they don't have to cheat. That said, some software I avoid like RTG or Thillx as have read others having abnormal results. But if you stay with the big providers like Microgaming, Playtech or DGS you should have no issues. Problem is if you are in the US you can't use Microgaming or playtech as they don't take US customers anymore.
 

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Generating truly random numbers can be done with cheap hardware. There would be no reason not to have a high degree of randomness in online games - you're just giving the player a potential advantage.
 
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Poker sites use "pseudo random number generators."

The numbers aren't technically random, because they
have to use a seed.

That being said, for the purposes of poker playing, and human usage,
the generators are more than adequate.
 

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Pat...you still grinding bonuses?

nah can't anymore since 2006 that pretty much got turned off if in the us.
thanks again for getting me in the casino bonuses, made a nice chunk of change for about a year. you got me started and i can't thank ya enough
 

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It can still be done to an extent. I'm gonna tinker in it and see whats still out there.

cant turn the money as fast, but still
nah can't anymore since 2006 that pretty much got turned off if in the us.
thanks again for getting me in the casino bonuses, made a nice chunk of change for about a year. you got me started and i can't thank ya enough
 

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asking this type of question on two plus two

The 1st 4 responses will call you every name in the book. You wont know what the rest of them say because by then you'll be banned......
 

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This is always the easy way to look at it..........




The software has different settings

Easy
Normal
Medium
Hard
Extra Hard

Or whatever........


Jut like a home video game, which has different difficulty settings.

So......If a mere home video game has various settings of play, why on Earth would software with real-life money and the possibility to make or break an online casino, not???

It's simply all up to the site on what they decide to do, and when they decide to do it.

Could it be the books/casinos crank up the casino difficulty after a tough weekend in which the public may have won?

Some sites claim not to have control of the software at all, that a 3rd party does.

Regardless, the settings exist, at least in most of the games......
 

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Yes, random number generation and shuffle algorithms produce sufficient randomness and unpredictability -- in fact more random than both human and machine shufflers.

If anyone made a mistake in randomness (like Planet Poker 1996) it would get exploited.

There are companies like Technical Systems Testing (TST) and iTech Labs that test both random number generation and shuffle algorithms of all major casino and poker software platforms. Gambling licenses in most places require it.
 

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It can still be done to an extent. I'm gonna tinker in it and see whats still out there.

cant turn the money as fast, but still

good luck to ya let me know if you find anything good, i haven't

i'll give you one to start - sign up at bet ed. They send out 100% match bonuses every couple of weeks for their flash casino. 20x rollover. Can be used on BJ. Wait for the offer. Deposit the $500 get $500 now ya got $1000. Software is thrillx which from reading some forums gives questionable results. BUT you can take the $1000 and bet it in the sportsbook. Try to bust it out at another shop. They will keep sending you reloads, you can make some good $$ doing this a few times. Problem comes if you win at Bet Ed and have to roll it over you will probably lose all the $500 and a little of the deposit. But you will get paid. They cut my limits to $10 so I am done with them. But you can do this as many times as you want as long as you don't win there you will be fine
 

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This is always the easy way to look at it..........




The software has different settings

Easy
Normal
Medium
Hard
Extra Hard

Or whatever........


Jut like a home video game, which has different difficulty settings.

So......If a mere home video game has various settings of play, why on Earth would software with real-life money and the possibility to make or break an online casino, not???

It's simply all up to the site on what they decide to do, and when they decide to do it.

Could it be the books/casinos crank up the casino difficulty after a tough weekend in which the public may have won?

Some sites claim not to have control of the software at all, that a 3rd party does.

Regardless, the settings exist, at least in most of the games......

I don't think it works like this, I could be wrong but I don't think so. The casinos already have a built in advantage, why would they want or need to cheat? I have read that payout tables can be adjusted at RTG casinos so I stay away from that brand. DGS is fine
 

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i was 4 tableing at full tilt. playing 4 sit and go's .

i finished 4th in 3 of them by the exact same way.

i was 4th in chips , shove all in pre flop. get called . i have the better hand.

we both catch our top card on the flop . i still have the best hand . he catches his other card on the river for 2 pair.

happened all 3 games to knock me out in 4th.

it just seems like they want to move the thing along...
 

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Regardless, the settings exist, at least in most of the games......

Complete and utter bullshit.

Only settings that exist for online casino games (by any reputable software platform, and the market is dominated by reputable software platforms), are the same that exist for land-based casinos.

For example, in Blackjack they can choose how many decks to use in the shoe, how much penetration is allowed before reshuffling, whether do use continuous shuffling (which almost everyone does, but so do many Vegas blackjack tables nowadays), whether to stand split aces, whether dealer hits or stands on soft 17, etc.

Slot machines they may be able to pick the payout %. e.g. 98%, 95%, 92%, the progressive jackpot seed, etc. So can a land-based casino. This is just the expected value based on the virtual reel-stops and payout table, not any convoluted software algorithm.

Video Poker machines, too you have different EV payouts based on the payout table. The payout table is publicly displayed, you can do the math yourself, nothing secret at all. Go to WizardOfOdds.com and he's done the math already on most common payout tables.

Casino games were invented and designed with a house edge over time by their rules, probabilities and payouts; and players still like to play because there is high variance from the expected value-- i.e. you get lucky. No reason at all for any software implementation to fuck around with the tried and true nature of the games.

Online games in fact have better payouts and lower rake than most land-based casinos. They can afford it with lower overhead costs.
 

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Adam...1 question on those testing labs. The way i usually read their statements on the various sites it says they made their determination by the info provided...
I read that to mean the casino sends them some data and they analyze it. They dont actually go into the companies software or programming and get the stats themselves.
If so a company could easily send partial data correct?
I know the case with PitBull poker right now...They are handing over data but just "cant seem to reproduce" the data from the suspected time period...the time period they do produce looks ok....couldnt an online casino do the same thing????
 

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Poker sites use "pseudo random number generators."

The numbers aren't technically random, because they
have to use a seed.

That being said, for the purposes of poker playing, and human usage,
the generators are more than adequate.

Some casino and poker software providers do use real random number genator hardware. Based on quantum mechanic events. Radiactive decay, thermal noise, athmospheric conditions etc.
 

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99% of them are random. Big providers are at least for sure. They would have a lot to lose in tarnished reputation and name and very little to gain by rigging it. Rigging would also be pretty easy to prove statistically by playing enough. Casinos have big enough house edge built-in and poker sites make their money off of rake.

Check out www.wizardofodds.com
 

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