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This is your pilot sleeping ...

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In an incident to send a chill down the spine of any frequent flyer, an A320 Airbus belonging to Northwest Airlines was en route from San Diego to Minneapolis- St Paul when the cockpit crew for some reason stopped paying attention. Instead of descending as it should have to the twin cities' airport, the plane, which was carrying 144 passengers, kept on going for another 150 miles. It was flying over Wisconsin before anyone noticed the mistake.

The explanation of the pilots, who have both been suspended, is that they "lost situational awareness" because they were having a furious argument. The reason regarded as more probable, and scary, is that they both fell asleep at the wheel. Whatever the truth, investigators intend to get to the bottom of Wednesday evening's incident which seems to belong more to the realm of spoof disaster movies such as Airplane!

But it was not funny at the time. By the time cabin staff, sensing that something was amiss, had called the pilots on the internal phone, the Air National Guard had been alerted and jet fighters were on the runways of two air force bases in the region ready to take off and intercept the errant airliner. The situation was all the more fraught because, for more than an hour and a quarter, the pilot and co-pilot had ceased all communication with air traffic control. On the ground, fears were growing for the plane and its 144 passengers.

In the end, no one was harmed and no damage was done. The aircraft turned around, began its belated descent and made its way back safely to Minneapolis. Upon landing, the two pilots told police investigators that they had "lost situational awareness" because they had got into a "heated discussion over airline policy".

"That just doesn't make sense," responded Bill Voss, president of the Flight Safety Foundation. "The pilots are saying they were involved in a heated conversation. Well, that was a very long conversation."

Similarly sceptical is Ben Berman, a former chief airline accident investigator for the National Transportation Safety Board. Noting that it is second nature for pilots to begin preparations for descent in good time, he said that debate about their employer's policies "pretty clearly wasn't all that was going on". Other experts pointed out that, at the very least, the pilots should have noticed the bright lights of Minneapolis below as they passed above the city.

The investigation is only just beginning. More interviews with the pilots are pending, and the black boxes have been removed from the aircraft for analysis. Expects speculated yesterday that the two men may have been covering up for having fallen asleep. The US is in the midst of re-writing the rules on working practices for pilots amid concern that dozing off is the biggest threat to aviation safety.

It is the second embarrassing incident in a week for Delta Air Lines, which purchased Northwest Airlines last November. On Monday, one of its wide-bodied jets landed on a taxiway at Atlanta airport at the end of a flight from Brazil. That incident, however, also ended without damage or injury.
 
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"lost situational awareness"

We had a term for that at the USPS:

Misdelivered

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No way these guys were asleep.

They have headsets on and you can damn well bet once the controllers thought they were hijacked, the controllers started yelling in their ears.

Hey - we are going to shoot your asses down if you don't respond... and neither pilot woke up?

Sounds to me like something else happened. Ill go with -300 drugs were involved.
 

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Official policy is illegal to sleep in the cockpit.
Unofficial policy is one pilot will "nap" while the other stays awake on red-eye flights.
 

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Personally I prefer my pilots to be sleeping, rather than drunk. But that's just me.
 

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Both guys tested fine for drugs/booze. Neither had anything in their system.
 

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No way these guys were asleep.

They have headsets on and you can damn well bet once the controllers thought they were hijacked, the controllers started yelling in their ears.

Hey - we are going to shoot your asses down if you don't respond... and neither pilot woke up?

Sounds to me like something else happened. Ill go with -300 drugs were involved.

they may have the headsets on, problem is , there are gazillion frequencies, and they must switch frequencies as they move across different areas/ATC centers

as per this link http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,569308,00.html which may /may not be correct (hell, its fox'news') the pilots answered when the flight attendant used the intercom
 

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The pilot is constantly hearing chatter in his headset. You simply tune everything out until you hear your call sign. If you fall asleep like these dumbasses surely did, you don't hear it.

The two pilots will be fired. Nobody is buying their more than hour heated arguement
 

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No way these guys were asleep.

They have headsets on and you can damn well bet once the controllers thought they were hijacked, the controllers started yelling in their ears.

Hey - we are going to shoot your asses down if you don't respond... and neither pilot woke up?

Sounds to me like something else happened. Ill go with -300 drugs were involved.
100% they were both asleep. They took breathalyzers and came back clean right when they got back. I have a friend that's a pilot and says that one of the pilots sleeping happens all the time. It's not legal, but it happens all the time. The planes fly themselves once they are in air. If the other one falls asleep, they're fucked.

It happened last year in Hawaii. Luckily they woke up after 20 minutes and didn't get too far out to sea.
 

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btw in other parts of the World is perfectly legal for one of the pilots to take a nap (And I am not talking about 3rd World countries)
 

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I'll go with one pilot was "servicing the other" and they lost track of things. Just a guess. I'm sure whatever happened will all come out of the woodwork eventually.
 

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