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[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Vegas casinos still hurting[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, Serif]Isle visitors contribute to 'much brighter' picture at Boyd's downtown hotels
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By Oskar Garcia
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[/FONT]LAS VEGAS — Gamblers are wagering less than a year ago, visiting casinos less often and holding back on extras when they do, continuing trends that left the industry struggling in the third quarter.
Industry leader Harrah's Entertainment Inc. lost $1.6 billion, including a $1.33 billion drop in the value of its assets. Boyd Gaming Corp. said its profit fell, although "strong visitor volume" from Hawai'i gamblers helped boost business at its downtown properties.
Boyd Gaming said it earned $6.3 million, or 7 cents per share for the three months ended Sept. 30. That's off 28 percent from the $8.7 million, or 10 cents per share, from a year ago. Boyd said it will wait at least three years before it restarts construction on its $4.8 billion Echelon casino, which looms empty over the Las Vegas Strip.
However, the story was "much brighter" at Boyd's downtown hotels and casinos, which are popular with Hawai'i visitors, said Paul Chakmak, Boyd's executive vice president and chief operating officer.
Earnings before interest, taxes, depreciation and amortization — a measure of operating profit known as EBITDA — increased at its downtown properties for the third straight quarter, he said.
"We're seeing strong visitor volume from our Hawaiian customer base," Chakmak said during a conference call with analysts and media representatives.
Boyd shares fell $1.90, or 17.8 percent, to close at $8.78.
At Wynn Resorts Ltd., where lower spending by leisure travelers and businesses pushed down profit for the second quarter in a row, billionaire CEO Steve Wynn said his company won't expand in the U.S. until the business environment improves.
"The landscape in Las Vegas is troubling and it's rife with uncertainty," said Wynn, whose company is based across the Strip from the Echelon. "It's tough to understand what's going on; my 40 years in Las Vegas is not serving me very well at the moment."
Wynn Resorts said its net income fell 33 percent to $34.2 million, or 28 cents per share, for the period that ended Sept. 30. That's down from $51.2 million, or 49 cents per share, a year earlier.
Both Wynn and Harrah's said they struggled to fill beds on midweek nights during the third quarter, though Wynn's room, food and beverage, retail and entertainment revenue rose for the quarter, helped by sales at its $2.3 billion Encore Las Vegas resort, which opened in December.
Harrah's — which operates more than 50 casinos around the world from its headquarters in Las Vegas — said it would have lost $296 million if it hadn't written down its assets. It lost $129.7 million during the third quarter one year ago.
"Lower spending by consumers continued to impact revenues," chief executive Gary Loveman said in a statement.
Harrah's said its revenue fell abroad and in each U.S. market where it operates. Overall revenue dropped 13.7 percent to $2.28 billion from $2.65 billion a year earlier.
In its home market of Las Vegas, Harrah's lost nearly $779 million.
The occupancy rate at its rooms there was 90 percent, but rate cuts ate into revenue.
Boyd, also based in Las Vegas, operates casinos in New Jersey, Mississippi, Illinois, Indiana and Louisi-ana, as well as Nevada.
At the Wynn Las Vegas and sister property Encore, rooms cost $210 per night on average and the occupancy rate was 84 percent.
Gamblers have kept their spending down on table games and slots during the economic downturn, and casinos have been adjusting by cutting their own spending, including by trimming their debt.
Harrah's said it cut its third-quarter operating expenses by $285.7 million, or 14 percent, and it took out a new loan to pay down its existing debt and exchanged debt due next year and in 2011 with new notes due later.
Harrah's did not release a new figure for its long-term debt but reported during the third quarter that it owed $19.3 billion as of June 30.
At Wynn Resorts, which had $4.2 billion in debt and $1.3 billion in cash as of Sept. 30, operating and promotions costs rose from the second quarter.
The company said the $53 million increase covered temporary summer staff, headline entertainment, utilities and other expenses.
"Last quarter included Beyonce," said Wynn, who this month lured country star Garth Brooks out of retirement to play solo shows in Las Vegas 15 weeks a year.
Wynn Resorts' stock dropped $6.94, or 11 percent, to close at $56.13.
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Does anyone dabble in casino stocks? I would love to jump into this sector but don't have the time/money to invest in it right now.

Anyone play around in this sandbox?
 

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i wouldnt buy them with phony money....just look at the debt these companies have...and ask yourself do you see things getting better anytime soon? i certainly dont...if you wanted to gamble id buy WYNN only bc they arent loaded to to the hill with debt have some cash on hand and at least their casino's are new and arent old and outdated...
 

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I think any company that can get new casinos up in running in Mexico and S. America would be a great place to put money right now. That is probably the next frontier internationally.

Another i'd consider is IGT, the slot machine manufacturer.

You gotta look beyond Vegas/AC because those cities are probably never going to recover to where they were.
 

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I think any company that can get new casinos up in running in Mexico and S. America would be a great place to put money right now. That is probably the next frontier internationally.

Another i'd consider is IGT, the slot machine manufacturer.

You gotta look beyond Vegas/AC because those cities are probably never going to recover to where they were.

Macau is THE frontier
chinese econmy growing exponentially and with a growing chinese middle class, this place has the potential to take Vegas down
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I'm very familiar with Macau, but every US company that is over there is losing a ton of money right now. The time to make money on Macau casino companies was many years ago.
 

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if you had scooped up WYNN a few months ago, you would have returned 300%. an investment in LVS about 7 months ago would have returned 700%....even NYNY, a casino stock i dabbled in and out of for modest gains a couple years ago, is up 300% the past several months

of course, when one starts wondering about such things, it's usually too late.
 

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I guess they aren't hurting at the Connecticut casinos. I tried to get a room this Saturday and they quoted me 599.:smoking:
 

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WOW !

I checked too, and KR is correct.

It would be cheaper to fly to LV
 

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I guess they aren't hurting at the Connecticut casinos. I tried to get a room this Saturday and they quoted me 599.:smoking:

Yah, I live n Connecticut and think I have stayed in the rooms maybe twice since they've been around. I don't get it really because more and more competition is coming in around the east coast.
 

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Yah, I live n Connecticut and think I have stayed in the rooms maybe twice since they've been around. I don't get it really because more and more competition is coming in around the east coast.

I've never stayed there, why get an expensive room when you live nearby ?

There is nothing there but the casinos out in the woods, and they are 10 or so miles apart. No beach like AC, or strip like LV. Hard to believe the rates they are getting. I'd much rather go to LV.
 

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I usually get a room free or at a much cheaper rate but no dice this week apparently. Of course Fridays and Saturdays are their premium rates charged.
 

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http://www.fox5vegas.com/news/21437917/detail.html
Boyd gaming isn't going to restart construction on Echelon for 3-5 years.

RIP Stardust

Boyd is one of the better run gaming companies. They were way ahead of the curve by halting construction on the Echelon. Yeah, they should have not tore down the functional Stardust, but at least they came to their senses and didn't trow good money after bad, unlike MGMs City Center debt albatross.
 

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Does anyone dabble in casino stocks? I would love to jump into this sector but don't have the time/money to invest in it right now.

Anyone play around in this sandbox?

I'm getting spanked. Lost probably 75% in LACO.
 

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Speaking of Boyd Gaming, an article from the Michigan City News Dispatch today: http://thenewsdispatch.com/main.asp?SectionID=1&SubSectionID=1&ArticleID=26674

[FONT=ARIAL, SANS SERIF]Blue Chip profits up[/FONT]
[FONT=ARIAL, SANS SERIF]Boyd Gaming official: Casino performed ‘exceptionally well’[/FONT]

[FONT=ARIAL, SANS SERIF]Alicia Ebaugh[/FONT]
[FONT=ARIAL, SANS SERIF]Staff Writer[/FONT]

[FONT=GEORGIA, SERIF]MICHIGAN CITY - Blue Chip Casino has managed to increase profits for the third quarter of 2009 despite stiff competition from new competitor Four Winds Casino Resort in New Buffalo, Mich., Boyd Gaming officials said Tuesday.

Adjusted earnings before interest, taxes, depreciation and amortization went up for the third quarter of 2009 more than 6 percent over last year in Boyd's Midwest and South region, said Paul Chakmak, Boyd executive vice president and chief operating officer. Most of that gain was driven by Blue Chip, where profits grew about 20 percent each month of this quarter over last year, he said.

"We think it performed exceptionally well, even in the face of a new Native American casino in Michigan," Chakmak said. "It has to do with the hard work by our broader team in making Blue Chip more efficient, even in light of the fact that it is now a much larger facility. We've made aggressive efforts to hold down costs since our expansion in January."

Information from the Indiana Gaming Commission also indicates the number of visitors to Blue Chip is rebounding. As of the end of September, the casino reported 648,378 admissions in 2009, about 11 percent more than at that time last year.

"The summer is the peak season for Blue Chip. We're very happy with the numbers we're posting," Chakmak said. "We expect to maintain these levels, albeit we'll see reduced revenues there as we get into the colder months."
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Bottom line - Vegas priced themselves out. I don't know too many people going there anymore. They go to the local joints.
 
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I bought LVS at an average price of $7 and MGM $8.50 since March. I'm pretty happy with my returns.

Do people smoke? Do people drink alcohol? Do people gamble?

Of course times are tough but it will rebound again some day. China and Singapore are doing better than what is being portrayed in this thread.
 

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