Looks like MLB is GONNA HAVE TO get replay soon..

bucsfan67 · Oct 29, 2009

they are falling behind the other sports, with the errors their umps are making in key games at key times....other sports bit the bullet and put in a system to try and minimize the errors, and it looks like baseball will have to as well...

You keep thinking it was a fluke, but they just keep fukking it up in the big games on national TV and it seems, at the most important part of the game.....

they have 6 umps in this game, and none knew that the ball hit the ground......

granted, this one was a "tougher" call than some have been, but still, they screwed it up....and some of the other errors have seemed to be more obvious, yet no one sees anything....

KingofNicotine · Oct 29, 2009

They said it'll slow down the game but I'd rather watch a slow game with good calls than a fast one with bad calls. Bud Selig won't have it though.

terps1313 · Oct 29, 2009

I agree... but my question is what would they have done about that play if they had replay? The ump has to make a quick call which determines whether or not Howard throws to 2nd or goes to 1st. Seems like if they do have replay, that could be one which isn't reviewable.

KingofNicotine · Oct 29, 2009

That's true. Baseball is a game where calls have to be made quick. I could see a replay is a guy is safe at home and there is a bad call.

Boxer22 · Oct 29, 2009

Same ump blew a call the next inning and gave the Yanks a makeup call. Chase Utley was clearly safe. It should have been first and third with two outs with Ryan Howard up.

SayHeyKid · Oct 29, 2009

Disgusting. I'm not sure why umpires are even necessary with the technology available today. Especially an umpire behind the plate calling balls and strikes. A machine could easily do a better job. They are useless, except of course to fix games, and or blow calls..

hno:

RobFunk · Oct 29, 2009

Say Hey Kid said:
Disgusting. I'm not sure why umpires are even necessary with the technology available today. Especially an umpire behind the plate calling balls and strikes. A machine could easily do a better job. They are useless, except of course to fix games, and or blow calls..hno:

Could not agree more

That ESPN strike zone thing is 100 times better than any umpire ever

Illini · Oct 30, 2009

Say Hey Kid said:
Disgusting. I'm not sure why umpires are even necessary with the technology available today. Especially an umpire behind the plate calling balls and strikes. A machine could easily do a better job. They are useless, except of course to fix games, and or blow calls..hno:

Are machines going to call balks? What about check swings? Obstruction? Interference? Foul tips?

Illini · Oct 30, 2009

Baseball isn't going to replay anytime soon. Too much would have to change. In baseball, if the ball beats you, and the tag is in front of the base, you're out. Period. A replay might show that the player actually slid under the tag, but that's not how the game is called.

There is just too much that is not possible to be reviewed. Line drive down the line, umpire calls it foul, it's a dead ball. The play stops. What are you gonna do if it's reversed on replay? You can't give the guys bases, because what if they would have been thrown out on the basepaths?

It's just not logistically possible to review much in baseball.

GilRenard · Oct 30, 2009

I don't want more replay for baseball. I'm tired of watching virtually every touchdown and/or turnover reviewed in football. It makes the games drag on forever and disrupts the flow of the game. Plus it makes referees hesitant to make definitive calls on the field which will end up watering down the overall quality of the officiating.

I'm sure Fox and CBS love it for the NFL though because it gives them the chance to shoehorn in an extra 6-8 commercials per game. Lots of NFL and college games last over 3 and a half hours these days, which I think is ridiculous.

You start reviewing home run calls, then if you move to reviewing whether line drives down the line are fair or foul....next thing you know you are reviewing outs on the bases and finally balls and strikes.

bucsfan67 · Oct 30, 2009

Boxer22 said:
Same ump blew a call the next inning and gave the Yanks a makeup call. Chase Utley was clearly safe. It should have been first and third with two outs with Ryan Howard up.

i'll give ya that one....i was on the Yanks last night, but i was walking back into the room and just saw it bang bang, but thought the same to myself, that it wasnt gonna be a dp....i think he was safe too......this isnt just about a call against the team i had...this has been going on all playoffs, and probably just as many of the calls have helped me as have hurt me, i just think it hurts the game overall....and i honestly dont remember this many bad calls in a short time as we are getting this year....not sure why

Boxer22 · Oct 30, 2009

bucsfan67 said:
i'll give ya that one....i was on the Yanks last night, but i was walking back into the room and just saw it bang bang, but thought the same to myself, that it wasnt gonna be a dp....i think he was safe too.

Its not whether I think he was safe, I know he was safe. I watched two post-game shows last night. One from Philadelphia and one on the MLB network, and they both showed the replay in slow-mo. Chase Utley's foot was clearly on the bag before the ball was anywhere near being in the glove.

Willie99 · Oct 30, 2009

what makes this call especially bad is that Howard threw the ball to 2nd base.

The umpire did not make an immediate call because he had an obstructed view, but when Howard throws to 2nd base to either get a lead runner or start a double play, a little light should go off. Obviously, it didn't.

Willie99 · Oct 30, 2009

Boxer22 said:
Same ump blew a call the next inning and gave the Yanks a makeup call. Chase Utley was clearly safe. It should have been first and third with two outs with Ryan Howard up.

True, it probably was a makeup call.

But bases loaded with one out and Tex coming up is an even better opportunity than the one taken from the Phillies.

Boxer22 · Oct 30, 2009

Willie99 said:
True, it probably was a makeup call.

But bases loaded with one out and Tex coming up is an even better opportunity than the one taken from the Phillies.

I agree 100%. I am not saying he made the right call with the Johnny Damon play, but what I am saying to that ump is don't take out your bad call out on the Phillies and make a bullshit call just to give the Yankees a gift. It wasn't Chase Utley's or the Phillies fault that the first base umpire didn't make the correct call on Damon's shot to first. Chase as usual busts his ass down first base beat the throw like he does all year in DP situations, and because the ump fucked up in the prior inning he calls him out when he was clearly safe.

Kojack84 · Oct 30, 2009

IMO instant replay is ruining most sports.

Before we had the technology no one would have ever complained about these "errors" happening. But now that we do they want each sport to be played as if it was an exact science.

Sports have a human element to them. And part of that element is the refs. Don't like it? Don't watch the sport.

Boxer22 · Oct 30, 2009

Kojack84 said:
IMO instant replay is ruining most sports.

Before we had the technology no one would have ever complained about these "errors" happening. But now that we do they want each sport to be played as if it was an exact science.

Sports have a human element to them. And part of that element is the refs. Don't like it? Don't watch the sport.

Your in the minority now, when talking about don't watch the sport if you don't like the human ref element. There is instant replay in all four of the four major sports, and before you know it there will be further review in baseball, not just HR calls. Balls and strikes will never be reviewed, but within 5-10 years in the postseason all other plays that need to be reviewed in baseball will be. The human ref element in sports is very low right now and in years to come it will be even lower.

kermit16 · Oct 30, 2009

terps1313 said:
I agree... but my question is what would they have done about that play if they had replay? The ump has to make a quick call which determines whether or not Howard throws to 2nd or goes to 1st. Seems like if they do have replay, that could be one which isn't reviewable.

I agree 100 % ! If you go back and review that play, instead of a double play and end of inning, You have no outs on that play ! Batter is safe as ball wasn't a catch and throw to second was way late and off the bag. There is no way that play can be reviewable. Isn't fair like you said to the fielder as what play He makes depends upon what call the Ump make.

Illini · Oct 30, 2009

Boxer22 said:
I agree 100%. I am not saying he made the right call with the Johnny Damon play, but what I am saying to that ump is don't take out your bad call out on the Phillies and make a bullshit call just to give the Yankees a gift. It wasn't Chase Utley's or the Phillies fault that the first base umpire didn't make the correct call on Damon's shot to first. Chase as usual busts his ass down first base beat the throw like he does all year in DP situations, and because the ump fucked up in the prior inning he calls him out when he was clearly safe.

That's not at all what happened. It was a bang-bang play. You'll get the call half the time. I thought he was safe, but on bangers, somebody is going to bitch either way you call it.

EstebanOchocinco · Oct 31, 2009

RobFunk said:
Could not agree more

That ESPN strike zone thing is 100 times better than any umpire ever

i do love that

Looks like MLB is GONNA HAVE TO get replay soon..

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