did Charlie just cost Philly the series?

Willie99 · Oct 30, 2009

Going with Blanton in Game 4 and Lee in 5.

I think Pettitte & CC have a good chance of giving the Yanks a 3-1 before Lee pitches again.

Stated differently, the Phillies have to win two games Lee doesn't pitch.

:think2:

Dafinch · Oct 30, 2009

Willie99 said:
Going with Blanton in Game 4 and Lee in 5.

I think Pettitte & CC have a good chance of giving the Yanks a 3-1 before Lee pitches again.

Stated differently, the Phillies have to win two games Lee doesn't pitch.

:think2:

I assume your suggestion is that he should start Lee in Game 4 instead. Putting aside the fact that the record of starters pitching on short rest in postseason has been horrendous for decades, don't you think that maybe Manuel knows the capabilities of Lee better than YOU do?

RonMexico · Oct 31, 2009

Is Manual mentally retarded he sounds like he is chewing on his tongue when he talks.................he really sound well not smart

KingofNicotine · Oct 31, 2009

CC has been doing well with few days rest. Lee should be able to handle it too.

The Yankees want a win this year and with Blanton there they will make sure to get a win. I don't see CC losing two games in one series. He already lost one, it won't happen twice.

When I heard this today I thought the same thing, "The Yankees will win it now for sure."

Dafinch · Oct 31, 2009

KingofNicotine said:
CC has been doing well with few days rest. Lee should be able to handle it too.

The Yankees want a win this year and with Blanton there they will make sure to get a win. I don't see CC losing two games in one series. He already lost one, it won't happen twice.

When I heard this today I thought the same thing, "The Yankees will win it now for sure."

What does CC's ability to pitch on three day's day rest have to do with Lee's ability to do the same? Not only that, CC's "success" is, to put it mildly, a small sample (he didn't do so well doing it last year's playoff, did he?) and the sample of hurlers who have NOT done well doing it is well established and very pronounced against doing it.

RonMexico · Oct 31, 2009

Blanton is 0-3 with an 8 era vs yanks is he giving away the game

jcubs55 · Oct 31, 2009

Dafinch said:
What does CC's ability to pitch on three day's day rest have to do with Lee's ability to do the same? Not only that, CC's "success" is, to put it mildly, a small sample (he didn't do so well doing it last year's playoff, did he?) and the sample of hurlers who have NOT done well doing it is well established and very pronounced against doing it.

i agree with dafinch here, CC can go out and throw 135 pitches with ease... we don't know how lee can handle lots of work, keep in mind he just threw a complete game. if the phillies do take one of the next two and then win with lee, theyd be up in the series only needing one more win to clinch, so i wouldnt say theyre GIVING away the series just yet

Willie99 · Oct 31, 2009

Dafinch said:
I assume your suggestion is that he should start Lee in Game 4 instead. Putting aside the fact that the record of starters pitching on short rest in postseason has been horrendous for decades, don't you think that maybe Manuel knows the capabilities of Lee better than YOU do?

The premise of your argument is categorically incorrect.

CC, Beckett, Schilling, Smoltz, Morris are just a few examples of pitchers excelling on short days rest recently, so keep it real.

Cliff Lee says he can go on 3 days rest, and I believe almost any pitcher can be effective on 3 days rest in the World Series. HISTORY actually proves the great ones are.

But you have no worries using your flawed logic, the Yankee starters are going to blow up going on three days rest.

:lol:

Dafinch · Oct 31, 2009

Willie99 said:
The premise of your argument is categorically incorrect.

CC, Beckett, Schilling, Smoltz, Morris are just a few examples of pitchers excelling on short days rest recently, so keep it real.

Cliff Lee says he can go on 3 days rest, and I believe almost any pitcher can be effective on 3 days rest in the World Series. HISTORY actually proves the great ones are.

But you have no worries using your flawed logic, the Yankee starters are going to blow up going on three days rest.

:lol:

First of all, you've shown yourself on many occasions before to be a liar, so why don't you PROVIDE that link where Lee said that. Secondly, why don't you provide some actual stats to back up your contention, instead of talking out of your ass, as is your custom.
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Teams that make the playoffs tend to have better pitching than average, and any pitcher that a manager asks to go on short rest, is, by defintion, a pretty good pitcher.
Pitchers performing on short rest in the playoffs do not fare very well. Since 1995(when the WC started), there have been 85 games started in the playoffs by pitchers pitching on only three days' rest, according to the Elias Sports Bureau. Those pitchers have a 20-34 record in those starts with a 4.65 ERA. Those same pitchers performed to a 29-19 record in their preceding start on full rest. If you crunch the numbers, that's a 24-game swing when coming back one day earlier.
Yeah, you know what you're talking about. I'm going to repost this in the other thread, so that you can be shown to be a moron in two different threads... :laugh:

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Intruder · Oct 31, 2009

wow...just wow.

Load up on the Yanks then, you'll regret it.

RonMexico · Nov 1, 2009

check burnetts numbers on three days rest

Willie99 · Nov 1, 2009

Dafinch said:
First of all, you've shown yourself on many occasions before to be a liar, so why don't you PROVIDE that link where Lee said that. Secondly, why don't you provide some actual stats to back up your contention, instead of talking out of your ass, as is your custom.
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Teams that make the playoffs tend to have better pitching than average, and any pitcher that a manager asks to go on short rest, is, by defintion, a pretty good pitcher.
Pitchers performing on short rest in the playoffs do not fare very well. Since 1995(when the WC started), there have been 85 games started in the playoffs by pitchers pitching on only three days' rest, according to the Elias Sports Bureau. Those pitchers have a 20-34 record in those starts with a 4.65 ERA. Those same pitchers performed to a 29-19 record in their preceding start on full rest. If you crunch the numbers, that's a 24-game swing when coming back one day earlier.
Yeah, you know what you're talking about. I'm going to repost this in the other thread, so that you can be shown to be a moron in two different threads...:lolBIG:hno:<><><<arty:^^:youmad::happyass::nohead:ointer::madasshol:trx-smly0:hahahahah:Countdown:hitting:

I never lie

http://www.philly.com/philly/sports..._I_m_capable_of_pitching_on_3_days__rest.html

you're gonna have to take it up with the Philly beat writer

but obviously, by saying "I have been known to lie", you are a liar.

A liar and a dipshit to boot, not a good combination.

Tell me what stud hasn't pitched well on 3 days rest in modern day WS history again!!! :lol:

oh wait, there are none

L

Willie99 · Nov 1, 2009

Intruder said:
wow...just wow.

Load up on the Yanks then, you'll regret it.

not yet anyhow

do you think I'm gonna regret taking CC vs Blanton? unlikely

but I won't bet against Lee in game 5, that's for sure

artiesliver · Nov 1, 2009

Willie99 said:
not yet anyhow

do you think I'm gonna regret taking CC vs Blanton? unlikely

but I won't bet against Lee in game 5, that's for sure

I think you need to take CC in Game 4 (as you said) and either bet on Lee in Game 5 or just sit on the sidelines (as you infer).

GL either way Willie.

TeddyTed · Nov 1, 2009

go Yanks!

JimmyVegas · Nov 1, 2009

I think C. C. gets blasted today.........read in the paper today that in 18 years a 3 man rotation in the playoffs has never worked.......we shall see

Dafinch · Nov 1, 2009

Willie99 said:
I never lie

http://www.philly.com/philly/sports..._I_m_capable_of_pitching_on_3_days__rest.html

you're gonna have to take it up with the Philly beat writer

but obviously, by saying "I have been known to lie", you are a liar.

A liar and a dipshit to boot, not a good combination.

Tell me what stud hasn't pitched well on 3 days rest in modern day WS history again!!! :lol:

oh wait, there are none

L

You never lie? Whatta joke! Let's take a closer look at the article you attach so much importance to: The very first sentence says, "ASK CLIFF LEE if he feels capable of starting a game on 3 days' rest and the ace lefthander's facial expression seems to ask, "Why wouldn't I be?"

Uh, Lee didn't SAY he was capable, but his FACIAL EXPRESSION seems to ask that. Oh. That's not really the same thing, is it? Then, later :

"Lee, who has never before started on short rest, said yesterday he feels physically capable of doing it."

"If they ask me to, I will," Lee said.

Once again, the writer seems to be doing some projecting: he does NOT quote Lee saying "I'm physically capable of doing it," he quotes him as saying, "If they ask me to do it, I will." That's not the same thing, is it? And, what would you EXPECT him to say if asked? Why the less than full blown "endorsement" of pitching on 3 days? Obviously the answer is provided in the sentence that preceded his actual quote: he has NEVER done it before, so he doesn't know for sure, and if HE doesn't know for sure, a lying, know nothing putz like YOU sure as hell doesn't. But you saved your "best" for last: Show you aces who didn't do well? Is the World Series different from other postseason games? No. Since NO team has consistently used a three man rotation since 1995, why would a manager ask a pitcher to do so in the playoffs? Obviously because he considers that pitcher to be his ace, and the records show overwhelmingly that doing so has NOT been successful in the playoffs. The most recent example of it not doing well, ironically, was Fat Boy against the Phillies last year. Try again, Dipshit...

Willie99 · Nov 1, 2009

the World Series loser, you do understand the difference. eh?

name a modern day stud that did not pitch well in the World Series

you won't be able to, because they all pitched lights out. Just quit while you're way behind.

As for the Cliff Lee statement, the Phillies beat writer told you how he came to that conclusion, it was based on his observation during his interview. I didn't write the headline or the story. Sniff a clue someday.

every modern day stud as pitched lights out on three days rest in the WS, and I believe Cliff Lee would too. Are you actually suggesting otherwise?

I'll be waiting for that name :lol:

in the mean time, please do tell me how the 3rd or 4th guy on some staff pitched in 1958

:laugh:

Willie99 · Nov 1, 2009

jpr24628 said:
I think C. C. gets blasted today.........read in the paper today that in 18 years a 3 man rotation in the playoffs has never worked.......we shall see

almost nobody has used a three man rotation in that time frame, except for the Braves once or twice. Most series ended quickly also. (4-0 or 4-1)

In the last 25 or so years, every ace pitcher that pitched on 3 days rest in the WS as pitched great. Every one a quality start.The story you read had to use the last 18 years, because the Twins won two 7 game series with 3 man rotations in 91 & 87. Jack Morris pitched a 10 inning shut out in game 7 in 91, his third start of the series and 2nd on 3 days rest.

gold64 · Nov 1, 2009

The fact Lee has never pitched on 3 Days rest confirms Blanton going in Game 4 is the Right Choice.

did Charlie just cost Philly the series?

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