Manuel defended his awful decision not to start the runners in the 8th inning, lol!

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Philly manager Charley Manuel took a page from the Bobby Cox "wrong and strong" school of managing: he refused to start the runners on the 3-2 pitch to Utley in the 8th inning, which blew up in his face, and he was defiant about his decision. He said they only had 5 outs left, and if Utley lined into a double play or struck out and one of the base stealing runners is thrown out, he's left with the inning over and Howard waiting on deck. Well, yes. He could also get exactly what happened: Utley hitting into a double play ANYWAY (at least, that's what it'll say in the record books, but even the umps admitted afterward they blew it-and that's saying something, since they stubbornly insisted that they got the trapped ball hit to Howard RIGHT!). And, yes, he only had 5 outs, and not only did he only have 5 outs, he only had 5 outs against Rivera. It's not easy to score against him, he is slow to the plate, Posada is not especially adept at throwing out runners, the Phillies, being up a game, were in a position to gamble, and, last, but definitely not least, they had two of their very best two base stealers on base in Rollins and Utley. I'll take the chance of a good hitter like Utley not striking out, (or lining into a DP) along with the two excellent base runners. Manuel was dead wrong, IMO.
 

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don't you think that maybe Manuel knows the capabilities of Lee better than YOU do?

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from the same guy who said this when I questioned Charlie's decision to go with Blanton in game 4.

"don't you think Manuel knows the capabilities of his players better than YOU do?"

too funny
 

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don't you think that maybe Manuel knows the capabilities of Lee better than YOU do?

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from the same guy who said this when I questioned Charlie's decision to go with Blanton in game 4.

"don't you think Manuel knows the capabilities of his players better than YOU do?"

too funny

No. what's too funny is that in your rush to be a wise guy, you're too stupid to see the massive difference in the two situations: pitching a pitcher on three days rest has long been thought to be an unwise decision, and the stats on the pitchers who DO pitch on short rest have long shown why that is so, so if a manager declines to try a make a move that has long been thought to be unwise, I'm inclined to side with him and his knowledge of his personnel. Starting two excellent base stealers on a 3-2 count, one out, and a hitter as good as Utley at the plate, IS a standard baseball play-so much so that Tim McCarver at the time said "You HAVE to start the runners here." When a manager makes a dubious, non traditional move in a crucial situation, has players who are widely known to be able to perform in that situation and there is no indication that they are injured (and it's much clearer, Nut Job, that Rollins and Victorino are able to steal a base than it is to tell if Lee can pitch on 3 days rest, since there is little, if any, indication that he has ever done that in his big league career), then he not only is open to criticism, he deserves it. See the difference, Pea Brain?
 

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:lolBIG:

research studs pitching on 3 days rest in WS and get back to me

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research studs pitching on 3 days rest in WS and get back to me

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Request granted, Oh Clueless One: Teams that make the playoffs tend to have better pitching than average, and any pitcher that a manager asks to go on short rest, is, by defintion, a pretty good pitcher.
Pitchers performing on short rest in the playoffs do not fare very well. Since 1995(when the WC started), there have been 85 games started in the playoffs by pitchers pitching on only three days' rest, according to the Elias Sports Bureau. Those pitchers have a 20-34 record in those starts with a 4.65 ERA. Those same pitchers performed to a 29-19 record in their preceding start on full rest. If you crunch the numbers, that's a 24-game swing when coming back one day earlier.


Yeah, you know what you're talking about :laugh::toast::103631605:lolBIG::party::aktion033:pointer::hahahahah:carto1710:fckmad:
 

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he was making sure that his chances at getting Howard an AB were maximized. Utley was trash that AB
 

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this one is dense

1955? that's when everyone started a 3 days rest. You see, they had 4 man rotations.

What studs have started on 3 days rest in recent history again?

Beckett 10/25/03 Winna 9 IP 0 runs 9k 2BB
Lackey 10/27/02 Winna 5 IP 1 run 4k 1BB
Schilling 10/31/01 ND blown lead 7 IP 1 run 9K 1BB
Schilling 11/4/01 ND 7.1 IP 2 runs 9k 0BB
Brown 10/21/98 L 8 IP 3 runs 8K 3BB
Wright 10/26/97 ND blown lead 6.1 IP 1 run 7k 5BB
Glavin 10/21/92 L 8 IP 2 runs 2k 4BB
Smoltz 10/22/92 W 6 IP 2 runs 4k 4BB
Avery 10/24/92 ND 4Ip 2 runs 2K 2BB
Morris 10/23/91 ND 6 IP 1 run 4K 3BB
Glavin 10/24/91 W 5.1 IP 3 runs 2K 4BB
Tapani 10/24/91 L 4 IP 4 runs 4k 4BB
Avery 10/26/91 6 IP 3runs 3k 1bb
Erickson 10/26/91 6 IP 3runs 2k 2bb
Morris 10/27/91 W 10 IP 0 runs 8k 2bb
Smoltz 10/27/91 7.1 IP 0 runs 4k 1bb


since 1991, 16 WS starts on 3 days rest
14 QS 5-3 107 IP 28 total runs

since 1991, 11 WS starts by "studs"
11 quality starts
5-2 81 IP 15 Runs
3 games where they allowed 3 runs. 2 or less runs in 8 games

can you say "dismissed"?


please do tell me about some pitcher from 1955

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as I said, stud pitchers pitching in the WS on 3 days left have been absolutely lights out sensational, thank you very much.

any questions?
 

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this one is dense

1955? that's when everyone started a 3 days rest. You see, they had 4 man rotations.

What studs have started on 3 days rest in recent history again?

Beckett 10/25/03 Winna 9 IP 0 runs 9k 2BB
Lackey 10/27/02 Winna 5 IP 1 run 4k 1BB
Schilling 10/31/01 ND blown lead 7 IP 1 run 9K 1BB
Schilling 11/4/01 ND 7.1 IP 2 runs 9k 0BB
Brown 10/21/98 L 8 IP 3 runs 8K 3BB
Wright 10/26/97 ND blown lead 6.1 IP 1 run 7k 5BB
Glavin 10/21/92 L 8 IP 2 runs 2k 4BB
Smoltz 10/22/92 W 6 IP 2 runs 4k 4BB
Avery 10/24/92 ND 4Ip 2 runs 2K 2BB
Morris 10/23/91 ND 6 IP 1 run 4K 3BB
Glavin 10/24/91 W 5.1 IP 3 runs 2K 4BB
Tapani 10/24/91 L 4 IP 4 runs 4k 4BB
Avery 10/26/91 6 IP 3runs 3k 1bb
Erickson 10/26/91 6 IP 3runs 2k 2bb
Morris 10/27/91 W 10 IP 0 runs 8k 2bb
Smoltz 10/27/91 7.1 IP 0 runs 4k 1bb


since 1991, 16 WS starts on 3 days rest
14 QS 5-3 107 IP 28 total runs

since 1991, 11 WS starts by "studs"
11 quality starts
5-2 81 IP 15 Runs
3 games where they allowed 3 runs. 2 or less runs in 8 games

can you say "dismissed"?


please do tell me about some pitcher from 1955

:lol:


as I said, stud pitchers pitching in the WS on 3 days left have been absolutely lights out sensational, thank you very much.

any questions?

Who do you think you're kidding, asshole? First of all, I didn't say a word about 1955, I said 1995, learn how to READ, you brainless, no-reading cocksucker! Secondly, MY sample starts at a logical point, when the Wild Card was introduced, and it has EIGHTY-FIVE cases. YOUR sample, for no particular reason (other than to try and prove your case) starts in 1991. Why did you start there? And your sample has a whopping 16 or 11 samples, with an asshole like YOU being the judge of who a "stud" is. I don't differentiate between WS and
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I'm not going to sift through all of them to see how many were in the WS or not-nor do I trust stats compiled by a lying sack of shit like YOU-but pitchers asked to start in the postseason on three days rest are, by definition, highly thought of by their manager, and the record shows those pitchers do not pitch well, period. Thirty-four losses and a 4.65 ERA, asshole. Why don't you tell us how many of those starters were stiffs? This should be good...




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