New Orleans is the sucker bet tomorrow

letsgohoosiers · Nov 8, 2009

Reverse movement on New Orleans (65% on the Saints yet moved from 14.5 to 13)

Pinnacle hangs -13 (+103) while shops like SIA have +13.5 (-110). No one else has the number on New Orleans like Pinnacle does.

SIA even has Carolina moneyline at a ridiculous +600.

Panthers +13.5 (-110) are the play. Will have some on the moneyline at +600.

2PLAYSMAX · Nov 8, 2009

I would like to throw the Cats in a parlay or two, but the win in Arizona still didn't sell me. I see the line movement and agree it screams Carolina, but when one player can be so bad and single handed give up 14 pt swings this could be a very nerve racking wager. But I am going to wait closer to 12pm to see what I want to do. Panthers or nothing?

BOL

sdf · Nov 8, 2009

touts are all over Carolina today!

2PLAYSMAX · Nov 8, 2009

I'm suprised to see some media types predicting a Panthers win here too. No spread.Outright.

Ttratter · Nov 8, 2009

Panthers are better than their record would show.

nhoj · Nov 8, 2009

Saints are better than their record would reflect also... :laugh:

I think the books get alot of Carolina backers today due to they play N.O. close. Not sure this will be a close game. I really hate taking big Favorites but I feel it is the right side here today.
My card makes me feel like shit for sure.
KC
CIN
ATL
NO
Sea
SF
DALLAS
SD

Ttratter said:
Panthers are better than their record would show.

winbig · Nov 8, 2009

Carolina is also 7-0 SU and 7-1 ATS in New Orleans since 2001 I believe. #1 passing defense and #5 rushing offense will cause matchup problems for New Orleans. Very similar game to last week when Panthers rushed for 270 yards against the so-called best rushing defense and had 5 picks against Warner and one of the most profilic passing offenses. New Orleans is riding their emotions now, but how long can it last ? Week 1: win vs Detroit, not impressive since they allowed 27 pts and Detroit stil has only 1 win since last year. Week 2: big win against McNabbless Eagles. Week 3: Win at pathetic Buffalo. Week 4: Win against average and overhyped Jets. First 4 wins are so-so in my book. Week 5 = Bye. But since then, it was all about emotions. Win (emotional) vs Nyg (great win but as it turned out, this is a down year for Nyg), Win (emotional and unprobable) at Miami after trailing 24-3, Win (emotional, on national Tv, close game that finally fatured some weaknesses on both offense and defense) vs Atlanta. Their will luck out and gass out soon. Maybe this is the game. Maybe some of you will think that I'm crazy about this, but this is a bad situational spot for them. Their next two opponents are STL and TB, and with a win here they have a great chance to be 10-0. Look-ahead ? Who knows. I have Carolina +14 and feeling good about it.

cd329 · Nov 8, 2009

I wouldnt exactly call a 13 point favorite a sucker bet, thats alot of points to be giving up. If anything its a sucker bet to take carolina getting that many points.

On top of that only 20 people picked new orleans in the hilton contest, so whos the sucker bet?

powerz · Nov 8, 2009

I hate the look of my card today but, I think i will be plus money at the end of the day.

Houston +9 1.5*
Skins +9 1.5*

Buccs +9.5 1.0*

Cinncy +3* .5*
Pats -10.5 .5*
Seattle -10.5 .5*

Car +17.5 X Pats ML X NYG ML wins 1* risk .7*

Gl LGH

Solid day in CFB yesterday

stlfan · Nov 8, 2009

letsgohoosiers said:
Reverse movement on New Orleans (65% on the Saints yet moved from 14.5 to 13)

Pinnacle hangs -13 (+103) while shops like SIA have +13.5 (-110). No one else has the number on New Orleans like Pinnacle does.

SIA even has Carolina moneyline at a ridiculous +600.

Panthers +13.5 (-110) are the play. Will have some on the moneyline at +600.

You have been quiet throughout Football! Good to hear from you! CBB is right around the corner! LOL Good Luck Today! I agree Carolina has a chance to win outright!!!!

QUEENOFHEARTS · Nov 8, 2009

win big said:
Carolina is also 7-0 SU and 7-1 ATS in New Orleans since 2001 I believe. #1 passing defense and #5 rushing offense will cause matchup problems for New Orleans. Very similar game to last week when Panthers rushed for 270 yards against the so-called best rushing defense and had 5 picks against Warner and one of the most profilic passing offenses. New Orleans is riding their emotions now, but how long can it last ? Week 1: win vs Detroit, not impressive since they allowed 27 pts and Detroit stil has only 1 win since last year. Week 2: big win against McNabbless Eagles. Week 3: Win at pathetic Buffalo. Week 4: Win against average and overhyped Jets. First 4 wins are so-so in my book. Week 5 = Bye. But since then, it was all about emotions. Win (emotional) vs Nyg (great win but as it turned out, this is a down year for Nyg), Win (emotional and unprobable) at Miami after trailing 24-3, Win (emotional, on national Tv, close game that finally fatured some weaknesses on both offense and defense) vs Atlanta. Their will luck out and gass out soon. Maybe this is the game. Maybe some of you will think that I'm crazy about this, but this is a bad situational spot for them. Their next two opponents are STL and TB, and with a win here they have a great chance to be 10-0. Look-ahead ? Who knows. I have Carolina +14 and feeling good about it.

Some very interesting comments you stated here.

You say Carolia is #1 in pass defense ? sorry baby, not even close. They have allowed 126 completions on 197 attempts ( 64%)........hmmm...NOR has allowed 137 completions on 267 attempts along with 16 INT's ( 51% and the leagues best pass defense by several notches .....)

now lets talk about your ATS statements ....sorry baby , you are way way off in this department also .....

Carolina at New Orleans

CAR is 5-0 ATS L5 road games vs. NO... CAR is 2-6 ATS L8 games... CAR is 3-6 ATS L9 Nov. games... CAR is 1-3 ATS on turf... CAR is 10-5 to the OVER L15 games... CAR is 7-1 to the OVER L8 games... NO is 5-0 ATS this year... NO is 3-1 ATS vs. NFC South... NO is 7-2-1 ATS L10 home games... NO is 7-5 ATS L12 games in weeks 5 through 9... NO is 9-6 ATS L15 games against a team with a losing record... NO is 7-2 to the UNDER L9 games vs. CAR

lets look at take away / give aways : hmmm...seems to be rather ridiculous to take carolina even at this point ......

<CENTER>National Football Conference

</CENTER><TABLE width="100%"><TBODY><TR><TH class=TSN1 align=left></TH><TH class=TSN1c align=middle colSpan=3>Take-Away</TH><TH class=TSN1c align=middle colSpan=3>Give-Away</TH><TH class=TSN1c align=middle>Net</TH></TR><TR bgColor=#ccccdd><TH class=TSN2 align=left>Team</TH><TH class=TSN2 align=middle>Int</TH><TH class=TSN2 align=middle>Fum</TH><TH class=TSN2 align=middle>Total</TH><TH class=TSN2 align=middle>Int</TH><TH class=TSN2 align=middle>Fum</TH><TH class=TSN2 align=middle>Total</TH><TH class=TSN2 align=middle>Diff</TH></TR><TR><TD class=TSN1 align=left>Green Bay</TD><TD class=TSN1 align=middle>11</TD><TD class=TSN1 align=middle>6</TD><TD class=TSN1 align=middle>17</TD><TD class=TSN1 align=middle>2</TD><TD class=TSN1 align=middle>3</TD><TD class=TSN1 align=middle>5</TD><TD class=TSN1 align=middle>+12</TD></TR><TR><TD class=TSN5 align=left>Philadelphia</TD><TD class=TSN5 align=middle>14</TD><TD class=TSN5 align=middle>7</TD><TD class=TSN5 align=middle>21</TD><TD class=TSN5 align=middle>4</TD><TD class=TSN5 align=middle>5</TD><TD class=TSN5 align=middle>9</TD><TD class=TSN5 align=middle>+12</TD></TR><TR><TD class=TSN1 align=left>New Orleans</TD><TD class=TSN1 align=middle>16</TD><TD class=TSN1 align=middle>5</TD><TD class=TSN1 align=middle>21</TD><TD class=TSN1 align=middle>6</TD><TD class=TSN1 align=middle>8</TD><TD class=TSN1 align=middle>14</TD><TD class=TSN1 align=middle>+7</TD></TR><TR><TD class=TSN5 align=left>Minnesota</TD><TD class=TSN5 align=middle>6</TD><TD class=TSN5 align=middle>7</TD><TD class=TSN5 align=middle>13</TD><TD class=TSN5 align=middle>3</TD><TD class=TSN5 align=middle>5</TD><TD class=TSN5 align=middle>8</TD><TD class=TSN5 align=middle>+5</TD></TR><TR><TD class=TSN1 align=left>Atlanta</TD><TD class=TSN1 align=middle>6</TD><TD class=TSN1 align=middle>11</TD><TD class=TSN1 align=middle>17</TD><TD class=TSN1 align=middle>9</TD><TD class=TSN1 align=middle>4</TD><TD class=TSN1 align=middle>13</TD><TD class=TSN1 align=middle>+4</TD></TR><TR><TD class=TSN5 align=left>New York Giants</TD><TD class=TSN5 align=middle>6</TD><TD class=TSN5 align=middle>9</TD><TD class=TSN5 align=middle>15</TD><TD class=TSN5 align=middle>8</TD><TD class=TSN5 align=middle>6</TD><TD class=TSN5 align=middle>14</TD><TD class=TSN5 align=middle>+1</TD></TR><TR><TD class=TSN1 align=left>San Francisco</TD><TD class=TSN1 align=middle>6</TD><TD class=TSN1 align=middle>4</TD><TD class=TSN1 align=middle>10</TD><TD class=TSN1 align=middle>4</TD><TD class=TSN1 align=middle>5</TD><TD class=TSN1 align=middle>9</TD><TD class=TSN1 align=middle>+1</TD></TR><TR><TD class=TSN5 align=left>Chicago</TD><TD class=TSN5 align=middle>7</TD><TD class=TSN5 align=middle>6</TD><TD class=TSN5 align=middle>13</TD><TD class=TSN5 align=middle>11</TD><TD class=TSN5 align=middle>3</TD><TD class=TSN5 align=middle>14</TD><TD class=TSN5 align=middle>-1</TD></TR><TR><TD class=TSN1 align=left>Dallas</TD><TD class=TSN1 align=middle>4</TD><TD class=TSN1 align=middle>5</TD><TD class=TSN1 align=middle>9</TD><TD class=TSN1 align=middle>4</TD><TD class=TSN1 align=middle>6</TD><TD class=TSN1 align=middle>10</TD><TD class=TSN1 align=middle>-1</TD></TR><TR><TD class=TSN5 align=left>Tampa Bay</TD><TD class=TSN5 align=middle>8</TD><TD class=TSN5 align=middle>3</TD><TD class=TSN5 align=middle>11</TD><TD class=TSN5 align=middle>11</TD><TD class=TSN5 align=middle>2</TD><TD class=TSN5 align=middle>13</TD><TD class=TSN5 align=middle>-2</TD></TR><TR><TD class=TSN1 align=left>Seattle</TD><TD class=TSN1 align=middle>3</TD><TD class=TSN1 align=middle>6</TD><TD class=TSN1 align=middle>9</TD><TD class=TSN1 align=middle>5</TD><TD class=TSN1 align=middle>7</TD><TD class=TSN1 align=middle>12</TD><TD class=TSN1 align=middle>-3</TD></TR><TR><TD class=TSN5 align=left>Detroit</TD><TD class=TSN5 align=middle>5</TD><TD class=TSN5 align=middle>4</TD><TD class=TSN5 align=middle>9</TD><TD class=TSN5 align=middle>11</TD><TD class=TSN5 align=middle>2</TD><TD class=TSN5 align=middle>13</TD><TD class=TSN5 align=middle>-4</TD></TR><TR><TD class=TSN1 align=left>Arizona</TD><TD class=TSN1 align=middle>7</TD><TD class=TSN1 align=middle>5</TD><TD class=TSN1 align=middle>12</TD><TD class=TSN1 align=middle>11</TD><TD class=TSN1 align=middle>7</TD><TD class=TSN1 align=middle>18</TD><TD class=TSN1 align=middle>-6</TD></TR><TR><TD class=TSN5 align=left>St. Louis</TD><TD class=TSN5 align=middle>6</TD><TD class=TSN5 align=middle>3</TD><TD class=TSN5 align=middle>9</TD><TD class=TSN5 align=middle>7</TD><TD class=TSN5 align=middle>9</TD><TD class=TSN5 align=middle>16</TD><TD class=TSN5 align=middle>-7</TD></TR><TR><TD class=TSN1 align=left>Carolina</TD><TD class=TSN1 align=middle>8</TD><TD class=TSN1 align=middle>5</TD><TD class=TSN1 align=middle>13</TD><TD class=TSN1 align=middle>14</TD><TD class=TSN1 align=middle>7</TD><TD class=TSN1 align=middle>21</TD><TD class=TSN1 align=middle>-8</TD></TR><TR><TD class=TSN5 align=left>Washington</TD><TD class=TSN5 align=middle>3</TD><TD class=TSN5 align=middle>4</TD><TD class=TSN5 align=middle>7</TD><TD class=TSN5 align=middle>7</TD><TD class=TSN5 align=middle>8</TD><TD class=TSN5 align=middle>15</TD><TD class=TSN5 align=middle>-8</TD></TR><TR><TD class=TSN1 align=left>Totals</TD><TD class=TSN1 align=middle>116</TD><TD class=TSN1 align=middle>90</TD><TD class=TSN1 align=middle>206</TD><TD class=TSN1 align=middle>117</TD><TD class=TSN1 align=middle>87</TD><TD class=TSN1 align=middle>204</TD><TD class=TSN1 align=middle>+2</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>

wanna elaborate on the red zone ?

Notice how NOR once again is the top tier in red zone efficiency both offense and defense while carolina is not so hot...

<TABLE width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR><TD class=tsn1a align=middle colSpan=6>National Football Conference( inside the 20 statistics )</TD></TR><TR><TD class=tsn1c align=middle colSpan=6>Offense</TD></TR><TR bgColor=#ccccdd><TH class=TSN2 align=left>Team</TH><TH class=TSN2 align=middle>Possessions</TH><TH class=TSN2 align=middle>Points</TH><TH class=TSN2 align=middle>TD</TH><TH class=TSN2 align=middle>FG</TH><TH class=TSN2 align=middle>TD Pct.</TH></TR><TR><TD class=TSN1 align=left>New Orleans</TD><TD class=TSN1 align=middle>36</TD><TD class=TSN1 align=middle>185</TD><TD class=TSN1 align=middle>24</TD><TD class=TSN1 align=middle>6</TD><TD class=TSN1 align=middle>66.7</TD></TR><TR><TD class=TSN5 align=left>San Francisco</TD><TD class=TSN5 align=middle>12</TD><TD class=TSN5 align=middle>65</TD><TD class=TSN5 align=middle>8</TD><TD class=TSN5 align=middle>3</TD><TD class=TSN5 align=middle>66.7</TD></TR><TR><TD class=TSN1 align=left>Arizona</TD><TD class=TSN1 align=middle>23</TD><TD class=TSN1 align=middle>117</TD><TD class=TSN1 align=middle>15</TD><TD class=TSN1 align=middle>4</TD><TD class=TSN1 align=middle>65.2</TD></TR><TR><TD class=TSN5 align=left>Tampa Bay</TD><TD class=TSN5 align=middle>13</TD><TD class=TSN5 align=middle>61</TD><TD class=TSN5 align=middle>8</TD><TD class=TSN5 align=middle>2</TD><TD class=TSN5 align=middle>61.5</TD></TR><TR><TD class=TSN1 align=left>Atlanta</TD><TD class=TSN1 align=middle>23</TD><TD class=TSN1 align=middle>107</TD><TD class=TSN1 align=middle>14</TD><TD class=TSN1 align=middle>3</TD><TD class=TSN1 align=middle>60.9</TD></TR><TR><TD class=TSN5 align=left>Minnesota</TD><TD class=TSN5 align=middle>33</TD><TD class=TSN5 align=middle>161</TD><TD class=TSN5 align=middle>20</TD><TD class=TSN5 align=middle>7</TD><TD class=TSN5 align=middle>60.6</TD></TR><TR><TD class=TSN1 align=left>Carolina</TD><TD class=TSN1 align=middle>18</TD><TD class=TSN1 align=middle>80</TD><TD class=TSN1 align=middle>10</TD><TD class=TSN1 align=middle>3</TD><TD class=TSN1 align=middle>55.6</TD></TR><TR><TD class=TSN5 align=left>Dallas</TD><TD class=TSN5 align=middle>21</TD><TD class=TSN5 align=middle>98</TD><TD class=TSN5 align=middle>11</TD><TD class=TSN5 align=middle>7</TD><TD class=TSN5 align=middle>52.4</TD></TR><TR><TD class=TSN1 align=left>Philadelphia</TD><TD class=TSN1 align=middle>16</TD><TD class=TSN1 align=middle>73</TD><TD class=TSN1 align=middle>8</TD><TD class=TSN1 align=middle>6</TD><TD class=TSN1 align=middle>50.0</TD></TR><TR><TD class=TSN5 align=left>Green Bay</TD><TD class=TSN5 align=middle>25</TD><TD class=TSN5 align=middle>109</TD><TD class=TSN5 align=middle>12</TD><TD class=TSN5 align=middle>9</TD><TD class=TSN5 align=middle>48.0</TD></TR><TR><TD class=TSN1 align=left>Detroit</TD><TD class=TSN1 align=middle>17</TD><TD class=TSN1 align=middle>74</TD><TD class=TSN1 align=middle>8</TD><TD class=TSN1 align=middle>6</TD><TD class=TSN1 align=middle>47.1</TD></TR><TR><TD class=TSN5 align=left>Seattle</TD><TD class=TSN5 align=middle>17</TD><TD class=TSN5 align=middle>71</TD><TD class=TSN5 align=middle>8</TD><TD class=TSN5 align=middle>5</TD><TD class=TSN5 align=middle>47.1</TD></TR><TR><TD class=TSN1 align=left>Chicago</TD><TD class=TSN1 align=middle>27</TD><TD class=TSN1 align=middle>108</TD><TD class=TSN1 align=middle>12</TD><TD class=TSN1 align=middle>8</TD><TD class=TSN1 align=middle>44.4</TD></TR><TR><TD class=TSN5 align=left>Washington</TD><TD class=TSN5 align=middle>18</TD><TD class=TSN5 align=middle>73</TD><TD class=TSN5 align=middle>8</TD><TD class=TSN5 align=middle>6</TD><TD class=TSN5 align=middle>44.4</TD></TR><TR><TD class=TSN1 align=left>New York Giants</TD><TD class=TSN1 align=middle>32</TD><TD class=TSN1 align=middle>130</TD><TD class=TSN1 align=middle>13</TD><TD class=TSN1 align=middle>13</TD><TD class=TSN1 align=middle>40.6</TD></TR><TR><TD class=TSN5 align=left>St. Louis</TD><TD class=TSN5 align=middle>17</TD><TD class=TSN5 align=middle>40</TD><TD class=TSN5 align=middle>4</TD><TD class=TSN5 align=middle>4</TD><TD class=TSN5 align=middle>23.5</TD></TR><TR><TD class=tsn1c align=middle colSpan=6>Defense</TD></TR><TR bgColor=#ccccdd><TH class=TSN2 align=left>Team</TH><TH class=TSN2 align=middle>Possessions</TH><TH class=TSN2 align=middle>Points</TH><TH class=TSN2 align=middle>TD</TH><TH class=TSN2 align=middle>FG</TH><TH class=TSN2 align=middle>TD Pct.</TH></TR><TR><TD class=TSN1 align=left>Washington</TD><TD class=TSN1 align=middle>16</TD><TD class=TSN1 align=middle>59</TD><TD class=TSN1 align=middle>5</TD><TD class=TSN1 align=middle>8</TD><TD class=TSN1 align=middle>31.3</TD></TR><TR><TD class=TSN5 align=left>Minnesota</TD><TD class=TSN5 align=middle>23</TD><TD class=TSN5 align=middle>85</TD><TD class=TSN5 align=middle>8</TD><TD class=TSN5 align=middle>10</TD><TD class=TSN5 align=middle>34.8</TD></TR><TR><TD class=TSN1 align=left>New Orleans</TD><TD class=TSN1 align=middle>24</TD><TD class=TSN1 align=middle>91</TD><TD class=TSN1 align=middle>10</TD><TD class=TSN1 align=middle>7</TD><TD class=TSN1 align=middle>41.7</TD></TR><TR><TD class=TSN5 align=left>Atlanta</TD><TD class=TSN5 align=middle>23</TD><TD class=TSN5 align=middle>88</TD><TD class=TSN5 align=middle>10</TD><TD class=TSN5 align=middle>6</TD><TD class=TSN5 align=middle>43.5</TD></TR><TR><TD class=TSN1 align=left>San Francisco</TD><TD class=TSN1 align=middle>18</TD><TD class=TSN1 align=middle>74</TD><TD class=TSN1 align=middle>8</TD><TD class=TSN1 align=middle>6</TD><TD class=TSN1 align=middle>44.4</TD></TR><TR><TD class=TSN5 align=left>Arizona</TD><TD class=TSN5 align=middle>22</TD><TD class=TSN5 align=middle>98</TD><TD class=TSN5 align=middle>11</TD><TD class=TSN5 align=middle>7</TD><TD class=TSN5 align=middle>50.0</TD></TR><TR><TD class=TSN1 align=left>Tampa Bay</TD><TD class=TSN1 align=middle>20</TD><TD class=TSN1 align=middle>84</TD><TD class=TSN1 align=middle>10</TD><TD class=TSN1 align=middle>5</TD><TD class=TSN1 align=middle>50.0</TD></TR><TR><TD class=TSN5 align=left>Seattle</TD><TD class=TSN5 align=middle>23</TD><TD class=TSN5 align=middle>102</TD><TD class=TSN5 align=middle>12</TD><TD class=TSN5 align=middle>6</TD><TD class=TSN5 align=middle>52.2</TD></TR><TR><TD class=TSN1 align=left>Detroit</TD><TD class=TSN1 align=middle>28</TD><TD class=TSN1 align=middle>123</TD><TD class=TSN1 align=middle>15</TD><TD class=TSN1 align=middle>6</TD><TD class=TSN1 align=middle>53.6</TD></TR><TR><TD class=TSN5 align=left>St. Louis</TD><TD class=TSN5 align=middle>29</TD><TD class=TSN5 align=middle>136</TD><TD class=TSN5 align=middle>17</TD><TD class=TSN5 align=middle>6</TD><TD class=TSN5 align=middle>58.6</TD></TR><TR><TD class=TSN1 align=left>Philadelphia</TD><TD class=TSN1 align=middle>22</TD><TD class=TSN1 align=middle>103</TD><TD class=TSN1 align=middle>13</TD><TD class=TSN1 align=middle>4</TD><TD class=TSN1 align=middle>59.1</TD></TR><TR><TD class=TSN5 align=left>Dallas</TD><TD class=TSN5 align=middle>15</TD><TD class=TSN5 align=middle>78</TD><TD class=TSN5 align=middle>9</TD><TD class=TSN5 align=middle>5</TD><TD class=TSN5 align=middle>60.0</TD></TR><TR><TD class=TSN1 align=left>Green Bay</TD><TD class=TSN1 align=middle>20</TD><TD class=TSN1 align=middle>100</TD><TD class=TSN1 align=middle>13</TD><TD class=TSN1 align=middle>3</TD><TD class=TSN1 align=middle>65.0</TD></TR><TR><TD class=TSN5 align=left>Carolina</TD><TD class=TSN5 align=middle>21</TD><TD class=TSN5 align=middle>113</TD><TD class=TSN5 align=middle>14</TD><TD class=TSN5 align=middle>5</TD><TD class=TSN5 align=middle>66.7</TD></TR><TR><TD class=TSN1 align=left>Chicago</TD><TD class=TSN1 align=middle>21</TD><TD class=TSN1 align=middle>113</TD><TD class=TSN1 align=middle>15</TD><TD class=TSN1 align=middle>3</TD><TD class=TSN1 align=middle>71.4</TD></TR><TR><TD class=TSN5 align=left>New York Giants</TD><TD class=TSN5 align=middle>26</TD><TD class=TSN5 align=middle>146</TD><TD class=TSN5 align=middle>19</TD><TD class=TSN5 align=middle>5</TD><TD class=TSN5 align=middle>73.1
</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>

here Ill give 1 more ...before you decide to listen to this bullshit ..carolina wins....nonsense....

2009 Passer Rating Differential (through Week 8)
<TABLE style="BORDER-COLLAPSE: separate" cellSpacing=1 cellPadding=1 width=400 bgColor=#cccccc border=1><COLGROUP><COL width=74><COL width=124><COL span=3 width=64></COLGROUP><TBODY><TR height=18><TD class=xl24 width=15 height=18></TD><TD class=xl24 width=124>Team</TD><TD class=xl24 width=64>OPR</TD><TD class=xl24 width=64>DPR</TD><TD class=xl24 width=64>Net</TD></TR><TR height=18><TD class=xl25 width=15 height=18>1</TD><TD class=xl26 width=124>New Orleans</TD><TD class=xl27 width=64>107.63</TD><TD class=xl27 width=64>53.35</TD><TD class=xl27 width=64>+54.28</TD></TR><TR height=18><TD class=xl25 width=15 height=18>2</TD><TD class=xl26 width=124>Indianapolis</TD><TD class=xl27 width=64>110.81</TD><TD class=xl27 width=64>68.01</TD><TD class=xl27 width=64>+42.8</TD></TR><TR height=18><TD class=xl25 width=15 height=18>3</TD><TD class=xl26 width=124>Green Bay</TD><TD class=xl27 width=64>109.98</TD><TD class=xl27 width=64>74.36</TD><TD class=xl27 width=64>+35.62</TD></TR><TR height=18><TD class=xl25 width=15 height=18>4</TD><TD class=xl26 width=124>Philadelphia</TD><TD class=xl27 width=64>95.22</TD><TD class=xl27 width=64>68.46</TD><TD class=xl27 width=64>+26.75</TD></TR><TR height=18><TD class=xl25 width=15 height=18>5</TD><TD class=xl26 width=124>New England</TD><TD class=xl27 width=64>99.56</TD><TD class=xl27 width=64>74.26</TD><TD class=xl27 width=64>+25.3</TD></TR><TR height=18><TD class=xl25 width=15 height=18>6</TD><TD class=xl26 width=124>Pittsburgh</TD><TD class=xl27 width=64>104.08</TD><TD class=xl27 width=64>82.13</TD><TD class=xl27 width=64>+21.95</TD></TR><TR height=18><TD class=xl25 width=15 height=18>7</TD><TD class=xl26 width=124>Denver</TD><TD class=xl27 width=64>95.46</TD><TD class=xl27 width=64>74.87</TD><TD class=xl27 width=64>+20.6</TD></TR><TR height=18><TD class=xl25 width=15 height=18>8</TD><TD class=xl26 width=124>Houston</TD><TD class=xl27 width=64>100.46</TD><TD class=xl27 width=64>82.8</TD><TD class=xl27 width=64>+17.67</TD></TR><TR height=18><TD class=xl25 width=15 height=18>9</TD><TD class=xl26 width=124>San Diego</TD><TD class=xl27 width=64>95.85</TD><TD class=xl27 width=64>78.74</TD><TD class=xl27 width=64>+17.11</TD></TR><TR height=18><TD class=xl25 width=15 height=18>10</TD><TD class=xl26 width=124>Minnesota</TD><TD class=xl27 width=64>106.12</TD><TD class=xl27 width=64>93.31</TD><TD class=xl27 width=64>+12.81</TD></TR><TR height=18><TD class=xl25 width=15 height=18>11</TD><TD class=xl26 width=124>Buffalo</TD><TD class=xl27 width=64>70.28</TD><TD class=xl27 width=64>59.67</TD><TD class=xl27 width=64>+10.61</TD></TR><TR height=18><TD class=xl25 width=15 height=18>12</TD><TD class=xl26 width=124>Baltimore</TD><TD class=xl27 width=64>95.18</TD><TD class=xl27 width=64>86.12</TD><TD class=xl27 width=64>+9.06</TD></TR><TR height=18><TD class=xl25 width=15 height=18>13</TD><TD class=xl26 width=124>Dallas</TD><TD class=xl27 width=64>96.79</TD><TD class=xl27 width=64>90.43</TD><TD class=xl27 width=64>+6.37</TD></TR><TR height=18><TD class=xl25 width=15 height=18>14</TD><TD class=xl26 width=124>Cincinnati</TD><TD class=xl27 width=64>89.23</TD><TD class=xl27 width=64>85.76</TD><TD class=xl27 width=64>+3.48</TD></TR><TR height=18><TD class=xl25 width=15 height=18>15</TD><TD class=xl26 width=124>Washington</TD><TD class=xl27 width=64>83.83</TD><TD class=xl27 width=64>81.97</TD><TD class=xl27 width=64>+1.87</TD></TR><TR height=18><TD class=xl25 width=15 height=18>16</TD><TD class=xl26 width=124>N.Y. Giants</TD><TD class=xl27 width=64>87.41</TD><TD class=xl27 width=64>86.25</TD><TD class=xl27 width=64>+1.16</TD></TR><TR height=18><TD class=xl25 width=15 height=18>17</TD><TD class=xl26 width=124>N.Y. Jets</TD><TD class=xl27 width=64>65.62</TD><TD class=xl27 width=64>65.36</TD><TD class=xl27 width=64>+0.26</TD></TR><TR height=18><TD class=xl25 width=15 height=18>18</TD><TD class=xl26 width=124>Arizona</TD><TD class=xl27 width=64>81.42</TD><TD class=xl27 width=64>82.44</TD><TD class=xl27 width=64>-1.02</TD></TR><TR height=18><TD class=xl25 width=15 height=18>19</TD><TD class=xl26 width=124>San Francisco</TD><TD class=xl27 width=64>83.17</TD><TD class=xl27 width=64>84.21</TD><TD class=xl27 width=64>-1.04</TD></TR><TR height=18><TD class=xl25 width=15 height=18>20</TD><TD class=xl26 width=124>Chicago</TD><TD class=xl27 width=64>80.58</TD><TD class=xl27 width=64>83.96</TD><TD class=xl27 width=64>-3.38</TD></TR><TR height=18><TD class=xl25 width=15 height=18>21</TD><TD class=xl26 width=124>Atlanta</TD><TD class=xl27 width=64>82.36</TD><TD class=xl27 width=64>87.66</TD><TD class=xl27 width=64>-5.3</TD></TR><TR height=18><TD class=xl25 width=15 height=18>22</TD><TD class=xl26 width=124>Miami</TD><TD class=xl27 width=64>76.49</TD><TD class=xl27 width=64>85.84</TD><TD class=xl27 width=64>-9.35</TD></TR><TR height=18><TD class=xl25 width=15 height=18>23</TD><TD class=xl26 width=124>Seattle</TD><TD class=xl27 width=64>85.81</TD><TD class=xl27 width=64>95.28</TD><TD class=xl27 width=64>-9.47</TD></TR><TR height=18><TD class=xl25 width=15 height=18>24</TD><TD class=xl26 width=124>Kansas City</TD><TD class=xl27 width=64>78.77</TD><TD class=xl27 width=64>94.32</TD><TD class=xl27 width=64>-15.56</TD></TR><TR height=18><TD class=xl25 width=15 height=18>25</TD><TD class=xl26 width=124>St. Louis</TD><TD class=xl27 width=64>69.41</TD><TD class=xl27 width=64>91.93</TD><TD class=xl27 width=64>-22.51</TD></TR><TR height=18><TD class=xl25 width=15 height=18>26</TD><TD class=xl26 width=124>Jacksonville</TD><TD class=xl27 width=64>77.93</TD><TD class=xl27 width=64>100.82</TD><TD class=xl27 width=64>-22.9</TD></TR><TR height=18><TD class=xl25 width=15 height=18>27</TD><TD class=xl26 width=124>Carolina</TD><TD class=xl27 width=64>56.45</TD><TD class=xl27 width=64>79.79</TD><TD class=xl27 width=64>-23.34</TD></TR><TR height=18><TD class=xl25 width=15 height=18>28</TD><TD class=xl26 width=124>Oakland</TD><TD class=xl27 width=64>50.81</TD><TD class=xl27 width=64>86.47</TD><TD class=xl27 width=64>-35.66</TD></TR><TR height=18><TD class=xl25 width=15 height=18>29</TD><TD class=xl26 width=124>Tampa Bay</TD><TD class=xl27 width=64>60.01</TD><TD class=xl27 width=64>102.13</TD><TD class=xl27 width=64>-42.12</TD></TR><TR height=18><TD class=xl25 width=15 height=18>30</TD><TD class=xl26 width=124>Tennessee</TD><TD class=xl27 width=64>63.64</TD><TD class=xl27 width=64>108.42</TD><TD class=xl27 width=64>-44.78</TD></TR><TR height=18><TD class=xl25 width=15 height=18>31</TD><TD class=xl26 width=124>Cleveland</TD><TD class=xl27 width=64>42.68</TD><TD class=xl27 width=64>90.6</TD><TD class=xl27 width=64>-47.92</TD></TR><TR height=18><TD class=xl25 width=15 height=18>32</TD><TD class=xl26 width=124>Detroit</TD><TD class=xl27 width=64>59.62</TD><TD class=xl27 width=64>110.61</TD><TD class=xl27 width=64>-51</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>

wow!! NOR is 77.62% in the overall passing game the that I personaly break the pass down.

after considering all the fabric of this game ....there is not 1 single indicator that carolina has an edge ANYWHERE on the field or the sideline.

I expect 35-10 and an easy cover from early on . Dont listen to anyone telling you that carolina has an edge .....they dont even have 1 .....total caca.

1livecracker · Nov 8, 2009

You convinced me QOH - thanks

manchild · Nov 8, 2009

QUEEN OF HEARTS said:
Some very interesting comments you stated here.

You say Carolia is #1 in pass defense ? sorry baby, not even close. They have allowed 126 completions on 197 attempts ( 64%)........hmmm...NOR has allowed 137 completions on 267 attempts along with 16 INT's ( 51% and the leagues best pass defense by several notches .....)

now lets talk about your ATS statements ....sorry baby , you are way way off in this department also .....

Carolina at New Orleans

CAR is 5-0 ATS L5 road games vs. NO... CAR is 2-6 ATS L8 games... CAR is 3-6 ATS L9 Nov. games... CAR is 1-3 ATS on turf... CAR is 10-5 to the OVER L15 games... CAR is 7-1 to the OVER L8 games... NO is 5-0 ATS this year... NO is 3-1 ATS vs. NFC South... NO is 7-2-1 ATS L10 home games... NO is 7-5 ATS L12 games in weeks 5 through 9... NO is 9-6 ATS L15 games against a team with a losing record... NO is 7-2 to the UNDER L9 games vs. CAR

lets look at take away / give aways : hmmm...seems to be rather ridiculous to take carolina even at this point ......

<CENTER>National Football Conference

</CENTER><TABLE width="100%"><TBODY><TR><TH class=TSN1 align=left></TH><TH class=TSN1c colSpan=3 align=middle>Take-Away</TH><TH class=TSN1c colSpan=3 align=middle>Give-Away</TH><TH class=TSN1c align=middle>Net</TH></TR><TR bgColor=#ccccdd><TH class=TSN2 align=left>Team</TH><TH class=TSN2 align=middle>Int</TH><TH class=TSN2 align=middle>Fum</TH><TH class=TSN2 align=middle>Total</TH><TH class=TSN2 align=middle>Int</TH><TH class=TSN2 align=middle>Fum</TH><TH class=TSN2 align=middle>Total</TH><TH class=TSN2 align=middle>Diff</TH></TR><TR><TD class=TSN1 align=left>Green Bay</TD><TD class=TSN1 align=middle>11</TD><TD class=TSN1 align=middle>6</TD><TD class=TSN1 align=middle>17</TD><TD class=TSN1 align=middle>2</TD><TD class=TSN1 align=middle>3</TD><TD class=TSN1 align=middle>5</TD><TD class=TSN1 align=middle>+12</TD></TR><TR><TD class=TSN5 align=left>Philadelphia</TD><TD class=TSN5 align=middle>14</TD><TD class=TSN5 align=middle>7</TD><TD class=TSN5 align=middle>21</TD><TD class=TSN5 align=middle>4</TD><TD class=TSN5 align=middle>5</TD><TD class=TSN5 align=middle>9</TD><TD class=TSN5 align=middle>+12</TD></TR><TR><TD class=TSN1 align=left>New Orleans</TD><TD class=TSN1 align=middle>16</TD><TD class=TSN1 align=middle>5</TD><TD class=TSN1 align=middle>21</TD><TD class=TSN1 align=middle>6</TD><TD class=TSN1 align=middle>8</TD><TD class=TSN1 align=middle>14</TD><TD class=TSN1 align=middle>+7</TD></TR><TR><TD class=TSN5 align=left>Minnesota</TD><TD class=TSN5 align=middle>6</TD><TD class=TSN5 align=middle>7</TD><TD class=TSN5 align=middle>13</TD><TD class=TSN5 align=middle>3</TD><TD class=TSN5 align=middle>5</TD><TD class=TSN5 align=middle>8</TD><TD class=TSN5 align=middle>+5</TD></TR><TR><TD class=TSN1 align=left>Atlanta</TD><TD class=TSN1 align=middle>6</TD><TD class=TSN1 align=middle>11</TD><TD class=TSN1 align=middle>17</TD><TD class=TSN1 align=middle>9</TD><TD class=TSN1 align=middle>4</TD><TD class=TSN1 align=middle>13</TD><TD class=TSN1 align=middle>+4</TD></TR><TR><TD class=TSN5 align=left>New York Giants</TD><TD class=TSN5 align=middle>6</TD><TD class=TSN5 align=middle>9</TD><TD class=TSN5 align=middle>15</TD><TD class=TSN5 align=middle>8</TD><TD class=TSN5 align=middle>6</TD><TD class=TSN5 align=middle>14</TD><TD class=TSN5 align=middle>+1</TD></TR><TR><TD class=TSN1 align=left>San Francisco</TD><TD class=TSN1 align=middle>6</TD><TD class=TSN1 align=middle>4</TD><TD class=TSN1 align=middle>10</TD><TD class=TSN1 align=middle>4</TD><TD class=TSN1 align=middle>5</TD><TD class=TSN1 align=middle>9</TD><TD class=TSN1 align=middle>+1</TD></TR><TR><TD class=TSN5 align=left>Chicago</TD><TD class=TSN5 align=middle>7</TD><TD class=TSN5 align=middle>6</TD><TD class=TSN5 align=middle>13</TD><TD class=TSN5 align=middle>11</TD><TD class=TSN5 align=middle>3</TD><TD class=TSN5 align=middle>14</TD><TD class=TSN5 align=middle>-1</TD></TR><TR><TD class=TSN1 align=left>Dallas</TD><TD class=TSN1 align=middle>4</TD><TD class=TSN1 align=middle>5</TD><TD class=TSN1 align=middle>9</TD><TD class=TSN1 align=middle>4</TD><TD class=TSN1 align=middle>6</TD><TD class=TSN1 align=middle>10</TD><TD class=TSN1 align=middle>-1</TD></TR><TR><TD class=TSN5 align=left>Tampa Bay</TD><TD class=TSN5 align=middle>8</TD><TD class=TSN5 align=middle>3</TD><TD class=TSN5 align=middle>11</TD><TD class=TSN5 align=middle>11</TD><TD class=TSN5 align=middle>2</TD><TD class=TSN5 align=middle>13</TD><TD class=TSN5 align=middle>-2</TD></TR><TR><TD class=TSN1 align=left>Seattle</TD><TD class=TSN1 align=middle>3</TD><TD class=TSN1 align=middle>6</TD><TD class=TSN1 align=middle>9</TD><TD class=TSN1 align=middle>5</TD><TD class=TSN1 align=middle>7</TD><TD class=TSN1 align=middle>12</TD><TD class=TSN1 align=middle>-3</TD></TR><TR><TD class=TSN5 align=left>Detroit</TD><TD class=TSN5 align=middle>5</TD><TD class=TSN5 align=middle>4</TD><TD class=TSN5 align=middle>9</TD><TD class=TSN5 align=middle>11</TD><TD class=TSN5 align=middle>2</TD><TD class=TSN5 align=middle>13</TD><TD class=TSN5 align=middle>-4</TD></TR><TR><TD class=TSN1 align=left>Arizona</TD><TD class=TSN1 align=middle>7</TD><TD class=TSN1 align=middle>5</TD><TD class=TSN1 align=middle>12</TD><TD class=TSN1 align=middle>11</TD><TD class=TSN1 align=middle>7</TD><TD class=TSN1 align=middle>18</TD><TD class=TSN1 align=middle>-6</TD></TR><TR><TD class=TSN5 align=left>St. Louis</TD><TD class=TSN5 align=middle>6</TD><TD class=TSN5 align=middle>3</TD><TD class=TSN5 align=middle>9</TD><TD class=TSN5 align=middle>7</TD><TD class=TSN5 align=middle>9</TD><TD class=TSN5 align=middle>16</TD><TD class=TSN5 align=middle>-7</TD></TR><TR><TD class=TSN1 align=left>Carolina</TD><TD class=TSN1 align=middle>8</TD><TD class=TSN1 align=middle>5</TD><TD class=TSN1 align=middle>13</TD><TD class=TSN1 align=middle>14</TD><TD class=TSN1 align=middle>7</TD><TD class=TSN1 align=middle>21</TD><TD class=TSN1 align=middle>-8</TD></TR><TR><TD class=TSN5 align=left>Washington</TD><TD class=TSN5 align=middle>3</TD><TD class=TSN5 align=middle>4</TD><TD class=TSN5 align=middle>7</TD><TD class=TSN5 align=middle>7</TD><TD class=TSN5 align=middle>8</TD><TD class=TSN5 align=middle>15</TD><TD class=TSN5 align=middle>-8</TD></TR><TR><TD class=TSN1 align=left>Totals</TD><TD class=TSN1 align=middle>116</TD><TD class=TSN1 align=middle>90</TD><TD class=TSN1 align=middle>206</TD><TD class=TSN1 align=middle>117</TD><TD class=TSN1 align=middle>87</TD><TD class=TSN1 align=middle>204</TD><TD class=TSN1 align=middle>+2</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>

wanna elaborate on the red zone ?

Notice how NOR once again is the top tier in red zone efficiency both offense and defense while carolina is not so hot...

<TABLE border=0 width="100%"><TBODY><TR><TD class=tsn1a colSpan=6 align=middle>National Football Conference( inside the 20 statistics )</TD></TR><TR><TD class=tsn1c colSpan=6 align=middle>Offense</TD></TR><TR bgColor=#ccccdd><TH class=TSN2 align=left>Team</TH><TH class=TSN2 align=middle>Possessions</TH><TH class=TSN2 align=middle>Points</TH><TH class=TSN2 align=middle>TD</TH><TH class=TSN2 align=middle>FG</TH><TH class=TSN2 align=middle>TD Pct.</TH></TR><TR><TD class=TSN1 align=left>New Orleans</TD><TD class=TSN1 align=middle>36</TD><TD class=TSN1 align=middle>185</TD><TD class=TSN1 align=middle>24</TD><TD class=TSN1 align=middle>6</TD><TD class=TSN1 align=middle>66.7</TD></TR><TR><TD class=TSN5 align=left>San Francisco</TD><TD class=TSN5 align=middle>12</TD><TD class=TSN5 align=middle>65</TD><TD class=TSN5 align=middle>8</TD><TD class=TSN5 align=middle>3</TD><TD class=TSN5 align=middle>66.7</TD></TR><TR><TD class=TSN1 align=left>Arizona</TD><TD class=TSN1 align=middle>23</TD><TD class=TSN1 align=middle>117</TD><TD class=TSN1 align=middle>15</TD><TD class=TSN1 align=middle>4</TD><TD class=TSN1 align=middle>65.2</TD></TR><TR><TD class=TSN5 align=left>Tampa Bay</TD><TD class=TSN5 align=middle>13</TD><TD class=TSN5 align=middle>61</TD><TD class=TSN5 align=middle>8</TD><TD class=TSN5 align=middle>2</TD><TD class=TSN5 align=middle>61.5</TD></TR><TR><TD class=TSN1 align=left>Atlanta</TD><TD class=TSN1 align=middle>23</TD><TD class=TSN1 align=middle>107</TD><TD class=TSN1 align=middle>14</TD><TD class=TSN1 align=middle>3</TD><TD class=TSN1 align=middle>60.9</TD></TR><TR><TD class=TSN5 align=left>Minnesota</TD><TD class=TSN5 align=middle>33</TD><TD class=TSN5 align=middle>161</TD><TD class=TSN5 align=middle>20</TD><TD class=TSN5 align=middle>7</TD><TD class=TSN5 align=middle>60.6</TD></TR><TR><TD class=TSN1 align=left>Carolina</TD><TD class=TSN1 align=middle>18</TD><TD class=TSN1 align=middle>80</TD><TD class=TSN1 align=middle>10</TD><TD class=TSN1 align=middle>3</TD><TD class=TSN1 align=middle>55.6</TD></TR><TR><TD class=TSN5 align=left>Dallas</TD><TD class=TSN5 align=middle>21</TD><TD class=TSN5 align=middle>98</TD><TD class=TSN5 align=middle>11</TD><TD class=TSN5 align=middle>7</TD><TD class=TSN5 align=middle>52.4</TD></TR><TR><TD class=TSN1 align=left>Philadelphia</TD><TD class=TSN1 align=middle>16</TD><TD class=TSN1 align=middle>73</TD><TD class=TSN1 align=middle>8</TD><TD class=TSN1 align=middle>6</TD><TD class=TSN1 align=middle>50.0</TD></TR><TR><TD class=TSN5 align=left>Green Bay</TD><TD class=TSN5 align=middle>25</TD><TD class=TSN5 align=middle>109</TD><TD class=TSN5 align=middle>12</TD><TD class=TSN5 align=middle>9</TD><TD class=TSN5 align=middle>48.0</TD></TR><TR><TD class=TSN1 align=left>Detroit</TD><TD class=TSN1 align=middle>17</TD><TD class=TSN1 align=middle>74</TD><TD class=TSN1 align=middle>8</TD><TD class=TSN1 align=middle>6</TD><TD class=TSN1 align=middle>47.1</TD></TR><TR><TD class=TSN5 align=left>Seattle</TD><TD class=TSN5 align=middle>17</TD><TD class=TSN5 align=middle>71</TD><TD class=TSN5 align=middle>8</TD><TD class=TSN5 align=middle>5</TD><TD class=TSN5 align=middle>47.1</TD></TR><TR><TD class=TSN1 align=left>Chicago</TD><TD class=TSN1 align=middle>27</TD><TD class=TSN1 align=middle>108</TD><TD class=TSN1 align=middle>12</TD><TD class=TSN1 align=middle>8</TD><TD class=TSN1 align=middle>44.4</TD></TR><TR><TD class=TSN5 align=left>Washington</TD><TD class=TSN5 align=middle>18</TD><TD class=TSN5 align=middle>73</TD><TD class=TSN5 align=middle>8</TD><TD class=TSN5 align=middle>6</TD><TD class=TSN5 align=middle>44.4</TD></TR><TR><TD class=TSN1 align=left>New York Giants</TD><TD class=TSN1 align=middle>32</TD><TD class=TSN1 align=middle>130</TD><TD class=TSN1 align=middle>13</TD><TD class=TSN1 align=middle>13</TD><TD class=TSN1 align=middle>40.6</TD></TR><TR><TD class=TSN5 align=left>St. Louis</TD><TD class=TSN5 align=middle>17</TD><TD class=TSN5 align=middle>40</TD><TD class=TSN5 align=middle>4</TD><TD class=TSN5 align=middle>4</TD><TD class=TSN5 align=middle>23.5</TD></TR><TR><TD class=tsn1c colSpan=6 align=middle>Defense</TD></TR><TR bgColor=#ccccdd><TH class=TSN2 align=left>Team</TH><TH class=TSN2 align=middle>Possessions</TH><TH class=TSN2 align=middle>Points</TH><TH class=TSN2 align=middle>TD</TH><TH class=TSN2 align=middle>FG</TH><TH class=TSN2 align=middle>TD Pct.</TH></TR><TR><TD class=TSN1 align=left>Washington</TD><TD class=TSN1 align=middle>16</TD><TD class=TSN1 align=middle>59</TD><TD class=TSN1 align=middle>5</TD><TD class=TSN1 align=middle>8</TD><TD class=TSN1 align=middle>31.3</TD></TR><TR><TD class=TSN5 align=left>Minnesota</TD><TD class=TSN5 align=middle>23</TD><TD class=TSN5 align=middle>85</TD><TD class=TSN5 align=middle>8</TD><TD class=TSN5 align=middle>10</TD><TD class=TSN5 align=middle>34.8</TD></TR><TR><TD class=TSN1 align=left>New Orleans</TD><TD class=TSN1 align=middle>24</TD><TD class=TSN1 align=middle>91</TD><TD class=TSN1 align=middle>10</TD><TD class=TSN1 align=middle>7</TD><TD class=TSN1 align=middle>41.7</TD></TR><TR><TD class=TSN5 align=left>Atlanta</TD><TD class=TSN5 align=middle>23</TD><TD class=TSN5 align=middle>88</TD><TD class=TSN5 align=middle>10</TD><TD class=TSN5 align=middle>6</TD><TD class=TSN5 align=middle>43.5</TD></TR><TR><TD class=TSN1 align=left>San Francisco</TD><TD class=TSN1 align=middle>18</TD><TD class=TSN1 align=middle>74</TD><TD class=TSN1 align=middle>8</TD><TD class=TSN1 align=middle>6</TD><TD class=TSN1 align=middle>44.4</TD></TR><TR><TD class=TSN5 align=left>Arizona</TD><TD class=TSN5 align=middle>22</TD><TD class=TSN5 align=middle>98</TD><TD class=TSN5 align=middle>11</TD><TD class=TSN5 align=middle>7</TD><TD class=TSN5 align=middle>50.0</TD></TR><TR><TD class=TSN1 align=left>Tampa Bay</TD><TD class=TSN1 align=middle>20</TD><TD class=TSN1 align=middle>84</TD><TD class=TSN1 align=middle>10</TD><TD class=TSN1 align=middle>5</TD><TD class=TSN1 align=middle>50.0</TD></TR><TR><TD class=TSN5 align=left>Seattle</TD><TD class=TSN5 align=middle>23</TD><TD class=TSN5 align=middle>102</TD><TD class=TSN5 align=middle>12</TD><TD class=TSN5 align=middle>6</TD><TD class=TSN5 align=middle>52.2</TD></TR><TR><TD class=TSN1 align=left>Detroit</TD><TD class=TSN1 align=middle>28</TD><TD class=TSN1 align=middle>123</TD><TD class=TSN1 align=middle>15</TD><TD class=TSN1 align=middle>6</TD><TD class=TSN1 align=middle>53.6</TD></TR><TR><TD class=TSN5 align=left>St. Louis</TD><TD class=TSN5 align=middle>29</TD><TD class=TSN5 align=middle>136</TD><TD class=TSN5 align=middle>17</TD><TD class=TSN5 align=middle>6</TD><TD class=TSN5 align=middle>58.6</TD></TR><TR><TD class=TSN1 align=left>Philadelphia</TD><TD class=TSN1 align=middle>22</TD><TD class=TSN1 align=middle>103</TD><TD class=TSN1 align=middle>13</TD><TD class=TSN1 align=middle>4</TD><TD class=TSN1 align=middle>59.1</TD></TR><TR><TD class=TSN5 align=left>Dallas</TD><TD class=TSN5 align=middle>15</TD><TD class=TSN5 align=middle>78</TD><TD class=TSN5 align=middle>9</TD><TD class=TSN5 align=middle>5</TD><TD class=TSN5 align=middle>60.0</TD></TR><TR><TD class=TSN1 align=left>Green Bay</TD><TD class=TSN1 align=middle>20</TD><TD class=TSN1 align=middle>100</TD><TD class=TSN1 align=middle>13</TD><TD class=TSN1 align=middle>3</TD><TD class=TSN1 align=middle>65.0</TD></TR><TR><TD class=TSN5 align=left>Carolina</TD><TD class=TSN5 align=middle>21</TD><TD class=TSN5 align=middle>113</TD><TD class=TSN5 align=middle>14</TD><TD class=TSN5 align=middle>5</TD><TD class=TSN5 align=middle>66.7</TD></TR><TR><TD class=TSN1 align=left>Chicago</TD><TD class=TSN1 align=middle>21</TD><TD class=TSN1 align=middle>113</TD><TD class=TSN1 align=middle>15</TD><TD class=TSN1 align=middle>3</TD><TD class=TSN1 align=middle>71.4</TD></TR><TR><TD class=TSN5 align=left>New York Giants</TD><TD class=TSN5 align=middle>26</TD><TD class=TSN5 align=middle>146</TD><TD class=TSN5 align=middle>19</TD><TD class=TSN5 align=middle>5</TD><TD class=TSN5 align=middle>73.1

</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>

here Ill give 1 more ...before you decide to listen to this bullshit ..carolina wins....nonsense....

2009 Passer Rating Differential (through Week 8)
<TABLE style="BORDER-COLLAPSE: separate" border=1 cellSpacing=1 cellPadding=1 width=400 bgColor=#cccccc><COLGROUP><COL width=74><COL width=124><COL span=3 width=64></COLGROUP><TBODY><TR height=18><TD class=xl24 height=18 width=15></TD><TD class=xl24 width=124>Team</TD><TD class=xl24 width=64>OPR</TD><TD class=xl24 width=64>DPR</TD><TD class=xl24 width=64>Net</TD></TR><TR height=18><TD class=xl25 height=18 width=15>1</TD><TD class=xl26 width=124>New Orleans</TD><TD class=xl27 width=64>107.63</TD><TD class=xl27 width=64>53.35</TD><TD class=xl27 width=64>+54.28</TD></TR><TR height=18><TD class=xl25 height=18 width=15>2</TD><TD class=xl26 width=124>Indianapolis</TD><TD class=xl27 width=64>110.81</TD><TD class=xl27 width=64>68.01</TD><TD class=xl27 width=64>+42.8</TD></TR><TR height=18><TD class=xl25 height=18 width=15>3</TD><TD class=xl26 width=124>Green Bay</TD><TD class=xl27 width=64>109.98</TD><TD class=xl27 width=64>74.36</TD><TD class=xl27 width=64>+35.62</TD></TR><TR height=18><TD class=xl25 height=18 width=15>4</TD><TD class=xl26 width=124>Philadelphia</TD><TD class=xl27 width=64>95.22</TD><TD class=xl27 width=64>68.46</TD><TD class=xl27 width=64>+26.75</TD></TR><TR height=18><TD class=xl25 height=18 width=15>5</TD><TD class=xl26 width=124>New England</TD><TD class=xl27 width=64>99.56</TD><TD class=xl27 width=64>74.26</TD><TD class=xl27 width=64>+25.3</TD></TR><TR height=18><TD class=xl25 height=18 width=15>6</TD><TD class=xl26 width=124>Pittsburgh</TD><TD class=xl27 width=64>104.08</TD><TD class=xl27 width=64>82.13</TD><TD class=xl27 width=64>+21.95</TD></TR><TR height=18><TD class=xl25 height=18 width=15>7</TD><TD class=xl26 width=124>Denver</TD><TD class=xl27 width=64>95.46</TD><TD class=xl27 width=64>74.87</TD><TD class=xl27 width=64>+20.6</TD></TR><TR height=18><TD class=xl25 height=18 width=15>8</TD><TD class=xl26 width=124>Houston</TD><TD class=xl27 width=64>100.46</TD><TD class=xl27 width=64>82.8</TD><TD class=xl27 width=64>+17.67</TD></TR><TR height=18><TD class=xl25 height=18 width=15>9</TD><TD class=xl26 width=124>San Diego</TD><TD class=xl27 width=64>95.85</TD><TD class=xl27 width=64>78.74</TD><TD class=xl27 width=64>+17.11</TD></TR><TR height=18><TD class=xl25 height=18 width=15>10</TD><TD class=xl26 width=124>Minnesota</TD><TD class=xl27 width=64>106.12</TD><TD class=xl27 width=64>93.31</TD><TD class=xl27 width=64>+12.81</TD></TR><TR height=18><TD class=xl25 height=18 width=15>11</TD><TD class=xl26 width=124>Buffalo</TD><TD class=xl27 width=64>70.28</TD><TD class=xl27 width=64>59.67</TD><TD class=xl27 width=64>+10.61</TD></TR><TR height=18><TD class=xl25 height=18 width=15>12</TD><TD class=xl26 width=124>Baltimore</TD><TD class=xl27 width=64>95.18</TD><TD class=xl27 width=64>86.12</TD><TD class=xl27 width=64>+9.06</TD></TR><TR height=18><TD class=xl25 height=18 width=15>13</TD><TD class=xl26 width=124>Dallas</TD><TD class=xl27 width=64>96.79</TD><TD class=xl27 width=64>90.43</TD><TD class=xl27 width=64>+6.37</TD></TR><TR height=18><TD class=xl25 height=18 width=15>14</TD><TD class=xl26 width=124>Cincinnati</TD><TD class=xl27 width=64>89.23</TD><TD class=xl27 width=64>85.76</TD><TD class=xl27 width=64>+3.48</TD></TR><TR height=18><TD class=xl25 height=18 width=15>15</TD><TD class=xl26 width=124>Washington</TD><TD class=xl27 width=64>83.83</TD><TD class=xl27 width=64>81.97</TD><TD class=xl27 width=64>+1.87</TD></TR><TR height=18><TD class=xl25 height=18 width=15>16</TD><TD class=xl26 width=124>N.Y. Giants</TD><TD class=xl27 width=64>87.41</TD><TD class=xl27 width=64>86.25</TD><TD class=xl27 width=64>+1.16</TD></TR><TR height=18><TD class=xl25 height=18 width=15>17</TD><TD class=xl26 width=124>N.Y. Jets</TD><TD class=xl27 width=64>65.62</TD><TD class=xl27 width=64>65.36</TD><TD class=xl27 width=64>+0.26</TD></TR><TR height=18><TD class=xl25 height=18 width=15>18</TD><TD class=xl26 width=124>Arizona</TD><TD class=xl27 width=64>81.42</TD><TD class=xl27 width=64>82.44</TD><TD class=xl27 width=64>-1.02</TD></TR><TR height=18><TD class=xl25 height=18 width=15>19</TD><TD class=xl26 width=124>San Francisco</TD><TD class=xl27 width=64>83.17</TD><TD class=xl27 width=64>84.21</TD><TD class=xl27 width=64>-1.04</TD></TR><TR height=18><TD class=xl25 height=18 width=15>20</TD><TD class=xl26 width=124>Chicago</TD><TD class=xl27 width=64>80.58</TD><TD class=xl27 width=64>83.96</TD><TD class=xl27 width=64>-3.38</TD></TR><TR height=18><TD class=xl25 height=18 width=15>21</TD><TD class=xl26 width=124>Atlanta</TD><TD class=xl27 width=64>82.36</TD><TD class=xl27 width=64>87.66</TD><TD class=xl27 width=64>-5.3</TD></TR><TR height=18><TD class=xl25 height=18 width=15>22</TD><TD class=xl26 width=124>Miami</TD><TD class=xl27 width=64>76.49</TD><TD class=xl27 width=64>85.84</TD><TD class=xl27 width=64>-9.35</TD></TR><TR height=18><TD class=xl25 height=18 width=15>23</TD><TD class=xl26 width=124>Seattle</TD><TD class=xl27 width=64>85.81</TD><TD class=xl27 width=64>95.28</TD><TD class=xl27 width=64>-9.47</TD></TR><TR height=18><TD class=xl25 height=18 width=15>24</TD><TD class=xl26 width=124>Kansas City</TD><TD class=xl27 width=64>78.77</TD><TD class=xl27 width=64>94.32</TD><TD class=xl27 width=64>-15.56</TD></TR><TR height=18><TD class=xl25 height=18 width=15>25</TD><TD class=xl26 width=124>St. Louis</TD><TD class=xl27 width=64>69.41</TD><TD class=xl27 width=64>91.93</TD><TD class=xl27 width=64>-22.51</TD></TR><TR height=18><TD class=xl25 height=18 width=15>26</TD><TD class=xl26 width=124>Jacksonville</TD><TD class=xl27 width=64>77.93</TD><TD class=xl27 width=64>100.82</TD><TD class=xl27 width=64>-22.9</TD></TR><TR height=18><TD class=xl25 height=18 width=15>27</TD><TD class=xl26 width=124>Carolina</TD><TD class=xl27 width=64>56.45</TD><TD class=xl27 width=64>79.79</TD><TD class=xl27 width=64>-23.34</TD></TR><TR height=18><TD class=xl25 height=18 width=15>28</TD><TD class=xl26 width=124>Oakland</TD><TD class=xl27 width=64>50.81</TD><TD class=xl27 width=64>86.47</TD><TD class=xl27 width=64>-35.66</TD></TR><TR height=18><TD class=xl25 height=18 width=15>29</TD><TD class=xl26 width=124>Tampa Bay</TD><TD class=xl27 width=64>60.01</TD><TD class=xl27 width=64>102.13</TD><TD class=xl27 width=64>-42.12</TD></TR><TR height=18><TD class=xl25 height=18 width=15>30</TD><TD class=xl26 width=124>Tennessee</TD><TD class=xl27 width=64>63.64</TD><TD class=xl27 width=64>108.42</TD><TD class=xl27 width=64>-44.78</TD></TR><TR height=18><TD class=xl25 height=18 width=15>31</TD><TD class=xl26 width=124>Cleveland</TD><TD class=xl27 width=64>42.68</TD><TD class=xl27 width=64>90.6</TD><TD class=xl27 width=64>-47.92</TD></TR><TR height=18><TD class=xl25 height=18 width=15>32</TD><TD class=xl26 width=124>Detroit</TD><TD class=xl27 width=64>59.62</TD><TD class=xl27 width=64>110.61</TD><TD class=xl27 width=64>-51</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>

wow!! NOR is 77.62% in the overall passing game the that I personaly break the pass down.

after considering all the fabric of this game ....there is not 1 single indicator that carolina has an edge ANYWHERE on the field or the sideline.

I expect 35-10 and an easy cover from early on . Dont listen to anyone telling you that carolina has an edge .....they dont even have 1 .....total caca.

Very good Analysis This is really good info, thank you,and here the whole time all I thought you did was ride Ace-Ace's nut sack. Boy was I wrong. :toast:

letsgohoosiers · Nov 8, 2009

14-0 Carolina.

powerz · Nov 8, 2009

manchild said:
Very good Analysis This is really good info, thank you,and here the whole time all I thought you did was ride Ace-Ace's nut sack. Boy was I wrong. :toast:

looks like it is back to the nut sac

goblue12 · Nov 8, 2009

All the "analysis" is worthless.

Books have already put that into the lines.

You play games off of numbers released by certain sportsbooks.

QUEENOFHEARTS · Nov 8, 2009

WHY HATE ON ME?

I was simply showing that the poster in post #7 was feeding yall fabricated BS. I simply corrected him and showed the facts and the truth of the statistical data that he was fabricating .

I made no outlandish lies...i gave the truth and then offered my opinion .

good luck the rest of the way .

QOH's

winbig · Nov 8, 2009

QUEEN OF HEARTS said:
WHY HATE ON ME?

I was simply showing that the poster in post #7 was feeding yall fabricated BS. I simply corrected him and showed the facts and the truth of the statistical data that he was fabricating .

I made no outlandish lies...i gave the truth and then offered my opinion .

good luck the rest of the way .

QOH's

fabricating lies. wow. i dont use stupid raw data from nfl.com. i use my own statistics tables that are adjusted for site, opponents, etc. carolina was the best passing defense and the 5th best rushing offense going into week 9 according to my list. and they covered. thats what counts for me.

and by the way, is this a lie too

http://sportsdatabase.com/nfl.py/query?text=team=Saints+and+o:team=Panthers+and+H

anyways, im trying to help and im sure i helped some here with my 6-1 day, including the win with carolina.

1968 · Nov 10, 2009

good eye hoosiers.

QUEENOFHEARTS · Nov 10, 2009

win big said:
fabricating lies. wow. i dont use stupid raw data from nfl.com. i use my own statistics tables that are adjusted for site, opponents, etc. carolina was the best passing defense and the 5th best rushing offense going into week 9 according to my list. and they covered. thats what counts for me.

and by the way, is this a lie too

http://sportsdatabase.com/nfl.py/query?text=team=Saints+and+o:team=Panthers+and+H

anyways, im trying to help and im sure i helped some here with my 6-1 day, including the win with carolina.

Sorry , I never called you a liar ....I only referred to myself as not telling lies.

fabrication is an attempt to candy coat or paint a one sided picture...

yes you were fabricating ....but ...you still won ..CHEERS to that ...a win is a win regardless. the point of my post was to show the other side of the picture that you painted. I did just that with out fabricating or telling a lie. does not matter now ...congrats on the 6-1 and cheers to you again for offering your help ....just show both sides next time .....not very helpful when you candy coat ....CARO is not the best defense and never has been all season....

and yes sportsdatabase is an excellent site .

NICE CALL,

QOH's.

p.s. nice avatar.