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    State of the Climate
    National Overview
    October 2009


    National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration

    National Climatic Data Center



    National Overview:


    • Temperature Highlights - October
    • The average October temperature of 50.8°F was 4.0°F below the 20<sup>th</sup> Century average and ranked as the 3<sup>rd</sup> coolest based on preliminary data.
    • For the nation as a whole, it was the third coolest October on record. The month was marked by an active weather pattern that reinforced unseasonably cold air behind a series of cold fronts. Temperatures were below normal in eight of the nation's nine climate regions, and of the nine, five were much below normal. Only the Southeast climate region had near normal temperatures for October.
    • Statewide temperatures coincided with the regional values as all but six states had below normal temperatures. Oklahoma had its coolest October on record and ten other states had their top five coolest such months.
    • Florida was the only state to have an above normal temperature average in October. It was the sixth consecutive month that the Florida's temperature was above normal, resulting in the third warmest such period (May-October).
    • The three-month period (August-October) was the coolest on record for three states: Nebraska, Kansas, and Oklahoma. Five other states had top five cool periods: Missouri (2<sup>nd</sup>), Iowa (3<sup>rd</sup>) , Arkansas (5<sup>th</sup>) , Illinois (5<sup>th</sup>) and South Dakota (5<sup>th</sup>) . Every climate division in Kansas (nine) and Nebraska (eight) recorded a record cool such period.
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    Honestly, who cares at this point. This topic has been beat into submission more times than Alyssa Milano had her twat served up by a baseball player. And that's a lot of times.

    However; it is a bit odd that people are wearing t-shirts and I have my AC on in November. I mean, it's New England. Shouldn't it be snowing?!
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    Where is the data from outside the US?
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    Quote Originally Posted by RobFunk View Post
    Honestly, who cares at this point. This topic has been beat into submission more times than Alyssa Milano had her twat served up by a baseball player. And that's a lot of times.

    However; it is a bit odd that people are wearing t-shirts and I have my AC on in November. I mean, it's New England. Shouldn't it be snowing?!
    It was also odd that on 10-15-09, State College, Pa had a record snowfall for that day in history. But.....that's the weather.
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    NOAA: Global Surface Temperature Was Second Warmest for September

    October 15, 2009

    Visualization of Arctic Sea Ice Extent.

    High resolution (Credit: NOAA)

    The combined global land and ocean surface temperature was the second warmest September on record, according to NOAA’s National Climatic Data Center in Asheville, N.C. Based on records going back to 1880, the monthly National Climatic Data Center analysis is part of the suite of climate services NOAA provides.

    NCDC scientists also reported that the average land surface temperature for September was the second warmest on record, behind 2005. Additionally, the global ocean surface temperature was tied for the fifth warmest on record for September.

    Global Temperature Highlights

    * The combined global land and ocean surface temperature was 1.12 degrees F above the 20th century average of 59.0 degrees F. Separately the global land surface temperature was 1.75 degrees F above the 20th century average of 53.6 degrees F.

    * Warmer-than-average temperatures engulfed most of the world’s land areas during the month. The greatest warmth occurred across Canada and the northern and western contiguous United States. Warmer-than-normal conditions also prevailed across Europe, most of Asia and Australia.

    * The worldwide ocean temperature tied with 2004 as the fifth warmest September on record, 0.90 degree F above the 20th century average of 61.1 degrees F. The near-Antarctic southern ocean and the Gulf of Alaska featured notable cooler-than-average temperatures.

    Other Highlights

    * Arctic sea ice covered an average 2.1 million square miles in September - the third lowest for any September since records began in 1979. The coverage was 23.8 percent below the 1979-2000 average, and the 13th consecutive September with below-average Arctic sea ice extent.

    * Antarctic sea ice extent in September was 2.2 percent above the 1979-2000 average. This was the third largest September extent on record, behind 2006 and 2007.

    * Typhoon Ketsana became 2009’s second-deadliest tropical cyclone so far, claiming nearly 500 lives across the Philippines, Cambodia, Laos and Vietnam. The storm struck the Philippines on September 26, leaving 80 percent of Manila submerged.

    Scientists, researchers, and leaders in government and industry use NCDC’s monthly reports to help track trends and other changes in the world's climate. The data have a wide range of practical uses, from helping farmers know what and when to plant, to guiding resource managers with critical decisions about water, energy and other vital assets.

    NOAA understands and predicts changes in the Earth's environment, from the depths of the ocean to the surface of the sun, and conserves and manages our coastal and marine resources.
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    I think this here global warming issue is cooling down and the issue is no longer as chilling.

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    We dont have to worry about Global Warming

    Its the change in the climate we all have to fear

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    Global warming 'pause' may last for 20 more years and Arctic sea ice has already started to recover

    • Study says warmer temperatures are largely due to natural 300-year cycles
    • Actual increase in last 17 years lower than almost every prediction
    • Scientists likened continuing pause to a Mexican wave in a stadium

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    PUBLISHED: 19:32 EST, 2 November 2013 | UPDATED: 20:00 EST, 2 November 2013


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    The 17-year pause in global warming is likely to last into the 2030s and the Arctic sea ice has already started to recover, according to new research.

    A paper in the peer-reviewed journal Climate Dynamics – by Professor Judith Curry of the Georgia Institute of Technology and Dr Marcia Wyatt – amounts to a stunning challenge to climate science orthodoxy.

    Not only does it explain the unexpected pause, it suggests that the scientific majority – whose views are represented by the UN Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) – have underestimated the role of natural cycles and exaggerated that of greenhouse gases.

    Pause: How the Earth's average temperature defied scientists' predictions by remaining almost the same


    The research comes amid mounting evidence that the computer models on which the IPCC based the gloomy forecasts of a rapidly warming planet in its latest report, published in September, are diverging widely from reality.

    The graph shown above, based on a version published by Dr Ed Hawkins of Reading University on his blog, Climate Lab Book, reveals that actual temperatures are now below the predictions made by almost all the 138 models on which the IPCC relies.

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    The pause means there has been no statistically significant increase in world average surface temperatures since the beginning of 1997, despite the models’ projection of a steeply rising trend.

    According to Dr Hawkins, the divergence is now so great that the world’s climate is cooler than what the models collectively predicted with ‘five to 95 per cent certainty’.

    Curry and Wyatt say they have identified a climatic ‘stadium wave’ – the phenomenon known in Britain as a Mexican wave, in which the crowd at a stadium stand and sit so that a wave seems to circle the audience.

    Recovery: A new study suggests global warming is at a halt and Arctic seas are starting to recover


    In similar fashion, a number of cycles in the temperature of air and oceans, and the level of Arctic ice, take place across the Northern hemisphere over decades. Curry and Wyatt say there is evidence of this going back at least 300 years.

    According to Curry and Wyatt, the theory may explain both the warming pause and why the computer models did not forecast it.

    It also means that a large proportion of the warming that did occur in the years before the pause was due not to greenhouse gas emissions, but to the same cyclical wave.

    ‘The stadium wave signal predicts that the current pause in global warming could extend into the 2030s,’ said Wyatt. This is in sharp contrast with the IPCC’s report, which predicts warming of between 0.3 and 0.7C by 2035.

    Wyatt added: ‘The stadium wave forecasts that sea ice will recover from its recent minimum.’ The record low seen in 2012, followed by the large increase in 2013, is consistent with the theory, she said.

    Even IPCC report co-authors such as Dr Hawkins admit some of the models are ‘too hot’.

    He said: ‘The upper end of the latest climate model projections is inconsistent’ with observed temperatures, though he added even the lower predictions could have ‘negative impacts’ if true.
    But if the pause lasted another ten years, and there were no large volcanic eruptions, ‘then global surface temperatures would be outside the IPCC’s indicative likely range’.

    Professor Curry went much further. ‘The growing divergence between climate model simulations and observations raises the prospect that climate models are inadequate in fundamental ways,’ she said.

    If the pause continued, this would suggest that the models were not ‘fit for purpose’.



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    "The unexpected global warming pause..."

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    obviously, the authors of that peer reviewed piece don't believe in science
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    Quote Originally Posted by Willie99 View Post
    obviously, the authors of that peer reviewed piece don't believe in science
    They also obviously don't believe in raping the ignorant sheeple.





    Stunning Pictures of Al Gore's New $9 Million Mansion Media Totally Ignored

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    Nobel Laureate Al Gore purchased a $9 million mansion in the luxurious hills of Montecito, California, recently, and with the exception of the Los Angeles Times and Fox News, America's media couldn't care less.
    You think it might be because the Gore-loving press wouldn't want people to consider the possibility that all of his global warming hysteria was really about lining his wallet and not saving the planet?
    Formulate a response to that question as you look at what all that money the former Vice President is making off of spreading this myth can buy (h/t Doug Ross):


    Read more: http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sh...#ixzz2jsX6BgYv
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    Brutal winter may see Lake Superior freeze over for first time in decades

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    • The bitter cold is making for tough travel on the Great Lakes, which are nearly 90 percent covered by ice, according to the National Oceanographic and Atmospheric Administration. (Courtesy: BoatNerd.com)


    • The U.S. Coast Guard's Mackinaw is the only heavy ice-breaking vessel assigned to the Great Lakes. It sports state-of-the-art systems, including servicing buoys, search & rescue capabilities and the ability to deploy an oil skimming system to respond to spill events. (Courtesy: BoatNerd.com)


    • Shipping on the Great Lakes operates on a 42-week season to deliver 150 million tons of materials, according to Coast Guard officials. Of those 42 weeks, 12 weeks typically require icebreaking services. (Courtesy: Kenneth E. Bailey, Jr./Michigan Exposures)



    • As of Tuesday, ice covered 87.1 percent of the Great Lakes, compared to the all-time record of 94.7 percent in 1979. But an associate professor at the Large Lakes Observatory in Minnesota said he expects the three-quadrillion-gallon lake to soon be completely covered in ice, eclipsing a 20-year record of 91 percent on Feb. 5, 1994. (NOAA.gov)


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    Hell may not freeze over, but experts say Lake Superior could this winter, for the first time this century.
    The world's largest freshwater lake was 87.1 percent iced over as of Tuesday, and could soon be completely covered, thanks to an unrelenting winter in which the mercury has fallen even harder than snow, leaving ice several feet thick in some areas.
    "It is going to be close, but we may be living in a historic winter with regards to amount of Great Lakes ice," Michigan-based meteorologist Mark Torregrossa wrote on MLive.com.
    In a typical winter, just 30 percent of the massive lake freezes over, though the icing can range greatly.
    “It’s probably been the toughest winter we’ve had in about 24 years.”
    - Robert Lewis-Manning, Canadian Shipowners’ Association

    Some 94.7 percent of Lake Superior froze over in 1979, effectively a complete icing. Prof. Jay Austin, of the University of Minnestoa's Large Lakes Observatory in Duluth, said he expects the 31,700-square-mile lake to soon be completely covered in ice before spring. The average thickness of the ice covering Lake Superior is already 10 inches, according to the National Oceanographic and Atmospheric Administration.
    Austin said once the water freezes over, it could stay cold well into summer.
    “Typically, the lake will start warming up in late June, but it will be August before we see that this year,” Jay Austin told CNSNews.com, adding that the “extraordinary cold” has led to ice several feet thick in some parts of the lake.
    The all-time record for ice coverage of all the Great Lakes is 94.7 percent in 1979. But Lake Superior, the biggest of the five, is typically the last to ice over. In 1994, the last time it came close, 91 percent of its surface iced over.
    "It certainly has been a while since we've seen this much ice this early," George Leshkevich, of NOAA's Great Lakes Environmental Research Laboratory, told the St. Paul Pioneer Press.
    Forecasters noted that Duluth, Minn., recently experienced 23 consecutive days of subzero temperatures, besting the previous all-time record of 22 days set in 1936 and 1963, according to the National Weather Service.
    The Coast Guard is mandated to keep shipping lanes on the Great Lakes open during the 42-week shipping season, which ended last month. This year, the Coast Guard's Great Lakes ice breaker, Mackinaw, worked overtime to cut through the ice for some 57 U.S.-flag vessels that ply the Great Lakes, laden with raw materials such as iron ore and fluxstone for the steel industry, limestone and cement for the construction industry, coal for power generation, as well as salt, sand and grain.
    The vessels transport more than 115 million tons of cargo per year, sustain more than 103,000 jobs and have an economic impact of more than $20 billion, according to the Lake Carriers Association.
    “It’s probably been the toughest winter we’ve had in about 24 years,” Robert Lewis-Manning, president of the Canadian Shipowners’ Association, recently told Global News. “I think the speed at which the lakes froze this year, and not just the lakes but right up to the St. Lawrence River…was very, very early.”
    The shipping season is due to resume in early March.
    Meanwhile, across the South on Wednesday, residents awoke to a region encased in ice, snow and freezing rain, as forecasters warned that the worst of a potentially “catastrophic” storm was yet to come. From Texas to the Carolinas to Atlanta, roads were slick with ice, thousands remained without power, and a wintry mix fell in many areas. The Mid-Atlantic region also was expected to be hit as the storm crawled east. Forecasters in several states used unusually dire language in warnings, saying the biggest concern is widespread ice, which could knock out power for days in wide areas.
    On the flip side, the lowest ice accumulation across the Great Lakes occurred in 2002, when just 9.5 percent of the surface froze solid.
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    "Climate change is a fact!"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sheriff Joe View Post
    "Climate change is a fact!"
    - Obama's State of Confusion

    Go back and check the in-game thread, fratfraud was clapping like a seal!
    Yeah but to play devil's advocate other places in the world are hotter than hell. Look at Australia? Don't forget last November was the warmest November on record to date. The waters in the arctic are still warmer than ever and there is more carbon in the atmosphere. We can't say climate change is proven wrong because it is cold, cause then we could prove it right when it is hot. I live near Duluth, MN, it's amazing right now, people are able to get to fish areas of Lake Superior on Ice they haven't done in years. Water falls, like the ice glaciers in Cornucoupia WI are being observed for the first time in 5 years, yet 2 summer's ago Duluth broke a record for the most days 90 degrees and above in a row.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BleedingPurple View Post
    Yeah but to play devil's advocate other places in the world are hotter than hell. Look at Australia? Don't forget last November was the warmest November on record to date. The waters in the arctic are still warmer than ever and there is more carbon in the atmosphere. We can't say climate change is proven wrong because it is cold, cause then we could prove it right when it is hot. I live near Duluth, MN, it's amazing right now, people are able to get to fish areas of Lake Superior on Ice they haven't done in years. Water falls, like the ice glaciers in Cornucoupia WI are being observed for the first time in 5 years, yet 2 summer's ago Duluth broke a record for the most days 90 degrees and above in a row.
    That certainly would explain how the Russian expedition ship carrying scientists and passengers led by an Australian climate change professor managed to get stuck and needed to be rescued.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BleedingPurple View Post
    Yeah but to play devil's advocate other places in the world are hotter than hell. Look at Australia? Don't forget last November was the warmest November on record to date. The waters in the arctic are still warmer than ever and there is more carbon in the atmosphere. We can't say climate change is proven wrong because it is cold, cause then we could prove it right when it is hot. I live near Duluth, MN, it's amazing right now, people are able to get to fish areas of Lake Superior on Ice they haven't done in years. Water falls, like the ice glaciers in Cornucoupia WI are being observed for the first time in 5 years, yet 2 summer's ago Duluth broke a record for the most days 90 degrees and above in a row.
    Complete horse shit.

    Inconvenient study: Arctic was warmer than the present during the Medieval Warm Period


    New paper finds temperatures were as much as 0.5c warmer in the Arctic during the MWP than today.

    The Hockeyschtick reports: A paper published yesterday in Global and Planetary Change reconstructs temperatures in Northern Fennoscandia [within the Arctic circle] over the past 1,600 years and finds more non-hockey-sticks clearly demonstrating that the Arctic was warmer than the present during the Medieval Warm Period. The paper adds to over 1,000 peer-reviewed published non-hockey-sticks finding the Medieval Warm Period was global, as warm or warmer than the present, and that there is nothing unusual, unnatural, or unprecedented about the current warm period.
    Furthermore, the authors find a natural 70-80 year oscillation of temperatures, similar to the 60-70 year oscillation of the natural Pacific Decadal Oscillation [PDO].
    So much for “Arctic amplification.”
    All four of these temperature reconstructions show the Medieval Warm Period ~1000 years ago was warmer than the present [year 2000].
    [IMG]https://images-blogger-opensocial.googleusercontent.com/gadgets/proxy?url=http%3A%2F%2Fars.els-cdn.com%2Fcontent%2Fimage%2F1-s2.0-S0921818114000253-gr1.jpg&container=blogger&gadget=a&rewriteMime=image%2F*[/IMG]
    Fig. 1. Different estimates of Northern Fennoscandian temperature anomalies between 400-2000 AD. Shown are the present conventional estimate (Ttorn, green) which is rather close to that in Grudd08, the present filtered estimate (Tlong, blue), smoothed temperatures of Esper12 (Tesp, red) and smoothed August SST reconstruction from the Norwegian Sea (black).


    Fig. 3. August SST [sea surface temperature] reconstructions from the south of Iceland (above, blue) and the Norwegian Sea (below, blue) (modified from Miettinen et al., 2012). Red solid lines show smoothed values.


    The new temperature reconstruction presented by this paper shows the Medieval Warm Period [~1000 years ago] in the Arctic was warmer than the present [year 2000] temperatures.

    Fig. 4. The present estimate of the climatic temperature anomalies (red, Tclim = Tesp + Tsea + Tvolc), and Tesp from Fig. 1 (thick blue).
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    Quote Originally Posted by BleedingPurple View Post
    Yeah but to play devil's advocate other places in the world are hotter than hell. Look at Australia? Don't forget last November was the warmest November on record to date. The waters in the arctic are still warmer than ever and there is more carbon in the atmosphere. We can't say climate change is proven wrong because it is cold, cause then we could prove it right when it is hot. I live near Duluth, MN, it's amazing right now, people are able to get to fish areas of Lake Superior on Ice they haven't done in years. Water falls, like the ice glaciers in Cornucoupia WI are being observed for the first time in 5 years, yet 2 summer's ago Duluth broke a record for the most days 90 degrees and above in a row.
    So what?

    "Climate" has been "changing" since the beginning of time.

    The planet was "hotter" during the Roman Empire...did Roman Climatologists try to pin the 'warming' on methane gas from all their animals?

    Climate Frauds are yet another group of far left moral busy bodies who need to be defunded.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave007inVegas View Post
    That certainly would explain how the Russian expedition ship carrying scientists and passengers led by an Australian climate change professor managed to get stuck and needed to be rescued.

    Henderson NV is very mild compared to where I live. I'll try to explain it. Water can be warmer in one spot of a lake and still have more ice build up. The Wind plays a major role in ice formation. I guess the winds have been crazy causing this "polar vortex." Case in point last Tuesday I went ice fishing the temp was zero but we had no wind, I didn't need to clean out the holes very often. I went again on Wednesday (Stupid) it was 10 above but there was a 12 MPH wind. I had to clean out the holes every 15 - 20 minutes due to ice build up.

    Would much rather have a day - 10 with no wind then a day zero with a big wind.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave007inVegas View Post
    That certainly would explain how the Russian expedition ship carrying scientists and passengers led by an Australian climate change professor managed to get stuck and needed to be rescued.

    Also another case in point using Lake Superior as an example. It can be 50 degrees in early April and no boat is moving in the usual spots, cause the wind is pushing the ice in, pretty much shutting down the area for boating, so extra caution needs to be taken
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    Quote Originally Posted by festeringZit View Post
    Complete horse shit.

    Inconvenient study: Arctic was warmer than the present during the Medieval Warm Period


    New paper finds temperatures were as much as 0.5c warmer in the Arctic during the MWP than today.

    The Hockeyschtick reports: A paper published yesterday in Global and Planetary Change reconstructs temperatures in Northern Fennoscandia [within the Arctic circle] over the past 1,600 years and finds more non-hockey-sticks clearly demonstrating that the Arctic was warmer than the present during the Medieval Warm Period. The paper adds to over 1,000 peer-reviewed published non-hockey-sticks finding the Medieval Warm Period was global, as warm or warmer than the present, and that there is nothing unusual, unnatural, or unprecedented about the current warm period.
    Furthermore, the authors find a natural 70-80 year oscillation of temperatures, similar to the 60-70 year oscillation of the natural Pacific Decadal Oscillation [PDO].
    So much for “Arctic amplification.”
    All four of these temperature reconstructions show the Medieval Warm Period ~1000 years ago was warmer than the present [year 2000].
    [IMG]https://images-blogger-opensocial.googleusercontent.com/gadgets/proxy?url=http%3A%2F%2Fars.els-cdn.com%2Fcontent%2Fimage%2F1-s2.0-S0921818114000253-gr1.jpg&container=blogger&gadget=a&rewriteMime=image%2F*[/IMG]
    Fig. 1. Different estimates of Northern Fennoscandian temperature anomalies between 400-2000 AD. Shown are the present conventional estimate (Ttorn, green) which is rather close to that in Grudd08, the present filtered estimate (Tlong, blue), smoothed temperatures of Esper12 (Tesp, red) and smoothed August SST reconstruction from the Norwegian Sea (black).


    Fig. 3. August SST [sea surface temperature] reconstructions from the south of Iceland (above, blue) and the Norwegian Sea (below, blue) (modified from Miettinen et al., 2012). Red solid lines show smoothed values.


    The new temperature reconstruction presented by this paper shows the Medieval Warm Period [~1000 years ago] in the Arctic was warmer than the present [year 2000] temperatures.

    Fig. 4. The present estimate of the climatic temperature anomalies (red, Tclim = Tesp + Tsea + Tvolc), and Tesp from Fig. 1 (thick blue).
    Well then I stand corrected. I used to have a chronic patient, his IQ was 160, very eccentric but he dedicated his life to studying weather, climate etc. He didn't do it for any financial gains, guy was flat ass broke when he died, but very convinced about "Global Warming" He always talked about the Carbon. Now I can believe him, a genius who studied this well before (Gore) or a republican party with an agenda.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sheriff Joe View Post
    So what?

    "Climate" has been "changing" since the beginning of time.

    The planet was "hotter" during the Roman Empire...did Roman Climatologists try to pin the 'warming' on methane gas from all their animals?

    Climate Frauds are yet another group of far left moral busy bodies who need to be defunded.
    I think that is too broad a generalization from my previous post
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