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Not A Bad Call

The math supports Belichick's ploy



The fallout from Bill Belichick's ill-fated decision to go for a first down on fourth-and-two at his own 28 with a six-point lead late in New England's 35--34 loss to the Colts proves one thing: The moneyball mentality hasn't yet made it to the gridiron. Belichick was widely pilloried for the call. The reaction of NBC's Rodney Harrison, a former Patriot, was typical; it was "the worst decision" he'd ever seen.
But what do the numbers say? Within two hours of the end of the game, the New York Times website had a post from Brian Burke of Advanced NFL Stats, who calculated that the Pats had a 70% chance of winning by punting and a 79% chance of winning by going for it. If the math of a Navy pilot turned blogger seems fuzzy, consider that the next morning the Times had a pair of professional computer-programming number crunchers run the data, and they came to the same conclusion: Belichick made the right call.
The play hit close to home for Kevin Kelley, an Arkansas high school coach who has ridden a strategy of "never punt" to much success (SCORECARD, Sept. 21, 2009). He's long run up against the Old Guard mentality that prefers custom to empirical data. "To me, it's a shame they didn't get it," says Kelley, "because now it means coaches will be less likely to make that call—the right call—in the future."
 
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I Think this is BS !!

Yeah, if he would have made it, I'll put it at 100% that he would have Won the Game.

Stats say, that it was a 62% chance to make a 4th & 2...Where are they coming up with 79% ???

And the 62% Stats has all the Garbage 4th & 2's
 

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They are NOT saying a 79% chance of making the 4th and 2. They are saying there was a 79% chance of winning by going for the 4th and 2, comapred to only 72% chance of winning by punting.
The odds of making the 4th and two is probably around 50%, and if they make it they win almost 100% of the time. The other 50% they don't make it they still have probably a 50-60% chance of winning by stopp the Colts from scoring.
By punting they have 0% chance of winning right there but making the Colts go further increases there chances of stopping them from scoring to about 72%.
 

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ok call... great coach ....case closed......its close to 50/50 obviously it didnt work so the folks who hated the call have a better stage............it cose me money and i think it was the correct call
 

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Great coach my ass. Why did he suck ass in Cleveland. Also, if Mo Lewis doesn't knock Drew out, Belichoke is a D coordinator today.
 

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Great coach my ass. Why did he suck ass in Cleveland. Also, if Mo Lewis doesn't knock Drew out, Belichoke is a D coordinator today.
im no patriot fan.........but he has had some success and some super bowls........he will probably go down in history as a great coach you dont like him and i dont like him....just sometimes the numbers are there
 
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So I guess if it was Josh McDaniels of Denver, Making the Same Play..let's say Against the Pats......What kind of Call would it be ??

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So if this is such a great call why doesn't he always go for it with 4th and 2 at his own 30 yard line?
 

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So I guess if it was Josh McDaniels of Denver, Making the Same Play..let's say Against the Pats......What kind of Call would it be ??

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thats where maybe im different they all just numbers to me........i wouldve said the same thing( i think) about any coach making this choice under the same circumstances against the colts
 

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Not a math wiz but just using common sense I would have to believe the statistical analysis is correct and the decision to go for it gave NE a slightly better chance of winning the game.

Cannot believe the falling out over this and the amount of ignorant people out there screaming it was a stupid call and Belicheck is an idiot. Crunch the numbers folks.


**I also assume punting in general is done far too often. I can't imagine punting on 4th and 1/2 at near midfield or slightly in opponent's territory is more beneficial then simply going for it.
 

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Being on a forum with guys who are supposed to understand percantages, you would think everyone would understand numbers do not lie. I can understand the average joe would not understand this, but I guess I expected more out of sports bettors. Just goes to show you, the majority of people are still stupid when it comes to odds and percentages.
 
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Being on a forum with guys who are supposed to understand percantages, you would think everyone would understand numbers do not lie. I can understand the average joe would not understand this, but I guess I expected more out of sports bettors. Just goes to show you, the majority of people are still stupid when it comes to odds and percentages.

Bingo.
 

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Being on a forum with guys who are supposed to understand percantages, you would think everyone would understand numbers do not lie. I can understand the average joe would not understand this, but I guess I expected more out of sports bettors. Just goes to show you, the majority of people are still stupid when it comes to odds and percentages.

I know guys with degrees who will bet on the home team in the last game of the night if all the road teams have won, or vice versa.
 

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I still say there's a lot of short hand, assumptions and fuzzy math going on here. The estimates of them making it are way too high. You cannot just aggregate the odds of success of all 4th and 2's through history and assume that is the true odds. As has been variously pointed out: 1. those odds include a lot of (probably mostly) garbage 4th and 2's with teams down big. 2. Indy didn't even have to worry about or defend a long play because it was basically a stop or no stop situation, thus you can play tight. 3. They had just stopped them on a 3rd and 2 pass. 4. They were on the road. 5. The defense had time to prepare after the timeout. 6. Indy knew they were going to pass...they had even passed on 3rd and 2. 7. After further review it was a 4th and LONG 2 (and I think BB thought it was 4th and 1). 8. They had no timeouts and thus no ability to challenge. Need any more mitigating factors just with respect to the odds of 4th down conversion. The 60% I've seen mostly use is total BS. It's under 50% and probably closer to 40%.

And then everything I've read miscalculates the difference between going 28 yards vs. 65 yards in that situation. You have to remember that post-punt it would have gone under the 2 min warning. Indy had only 1 clock stoppage left. The clock would have been a huge factor plus needing 65 yards, whereas it was the clock was no factor and they only needed 28 yards.

The math approach is a good approach, it's just too bad that most employing it want to use this #1 as a teaching situation on why (it sometimes really is better to buck conventional wisdom and go for it), but not in this particular case, and in order to make their case are using fuzzy numbers and #2 think Bellichek is god and are using to numbers to back up their preconceived notion.

In my opinion:
1. Coaches don't go for it enough on 4th down.
2. Coaches should consider odds more often in making decisions.
3. BB is a great coach
YET 4. BB made a bad decision.
 

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D2 breaking down the variables is almost impossible. There are so many. You can also say most teams going for it on 4th and 2 didn't have the offensive capabilities of New England. Also impossible to claim they weren't going to run. And stuff like the timeout made Indy's defense more prepared are not tangible. So wouldn't the timeout make NE more prepared on offense?
 

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