BlackJack Question

Scoops · Feb 28, 2010

For all the BlackJack pros out there.
Using basic strategy,are the odds better to beat a single deck game with five players where there is a shuffle between every game or a six deck game with five players where the shoe runs all the way through?Or does it not make any difference unless counting is involved?I know I could figure this out pretty easily on my own if I think about it,I just don't feel like thinking right now : ) and I know someone here knows the answer.Thanks
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bellyputter · Feb 28, 2010

Playing basic strategy, you will die a slow death. Drink a lot!

ALSportsJunkie · Feb 28, 2010

Play the single deck game if you can. I will give you two reasons -

1) The fewer the decks, the better the odds - but it is slight

2) Playing at a game that is reshuffled a lot takes time. During this time you continue to be rated, so because you are exposing yourself to far less hands per hour you can afford to bet a little bigger and possibly enjoy better comps with less risk.

If you have single deck that doesn't pay 6-5 on naturals, why don't you learn a simple counting system like the KO method? It is so easy to do - almost as easy as learning basic strategy. If you are a green chip player or lower don't spread any more than 1-4 units and they will never say a word. If you are a black chip player, forget it, you will get run in a hurry. Hope this helps!

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festeringZit · Feb 28, 2010

You can't beat blackjack (in the long run) without counting or cheating.

Don't even try.

That being said, if you're looking for a cheap gambling experience,
wiz of odds has the house edge tables on most BJ games in Vegas:

http://wizardofvegas.com/guide/blackjack-survey/

ewitty · Feb 28, 2010

single deck offers better odds than multideck, but sometimes they can negate that by offering say 6-5 on blackjack instead of 3-2.

shuffling after each hand vs letting the shoe run only matters if youre counting cards. otherwise there is no difference how often they shuffle.

i have never seen a single deck blackjack game that does not shuffle after every hand. it would be way too easy to count cards and beat the dealer.

between your two options i would take single deck, but the difference is really small and both games are -EV

Doug · Feb 28, 2010

ewitty said:
single deck offers better odds than multideck, but sometimes they can negate that by offering say 6-5 on blackjack instead of 3-2.

shuffling after each hand vs letting the shoe run only matters if youre counting cards. otherwise there is no difference how often they shuffle.

i have never seen a single deck blackjack game that does not shuffle after every hand. it would be way too easy to count cards and beat the dealer.

between your two options i would take single deck, but the difference is really small and both games are -EV

True for online, most casino games should get 2+ hands out, unless > 5 players/hands.

bigbet1234 · Feb 28, 2010

if you're counting play the 6D, if you aren't, SD then.

Gimme a 6 deck game where they deal to the end any day. Money in the bank

Doug · Feb 28, 2010

bigbet1234 said:
if you're counting play the 6D, if you aren't, SD then.

Gimme a 6 deck game where they deal to the end any day. Money in the bank

a shoe dealt to the last card, would be huge +EV, about so +EV, you can't even think about it, it never happens, thats why they cut off the last third or so a shoe....

I'd love to try that game in a simulated theory test, I'd destroy that game in a casino....don't even have to be that optimal, just have the count somewhat accurate,

CRUSH,KILL,DESTROY,,,the end game.

bigbet1234 · Feb 28, 2010

10 years ago they would cut 1 deck off at Mirage.

Still decent games out there, you just have to find them

Doug said:
a shoe dealt to the last card, would be huge +EV, about so +EV, you can't even think about it, it never happens, thats why they cut off the last third or so a shoe....

I'd love to try that game in a simulated theory test, I'd destroy that game in a casino....don't even have to be that optimal, just have the count somewhat accurate,

CRUSH,KILL,DESTROY,,,the end game.

bigbet1234 · Feb 28, 2010

hell, 10 years ago at the Shoe you could get 4-5 rounds heads up, SD

GOFOR2 · Feb 28, 2010

bellyputter said:
Playing basic strategy, you will die a slow death. Drink a lot!

Very true! You need to follow your gut sometimes and you definitely need to win your "doubles" Sometimes you have to think outside the box and ditch the stategy card!

bigbet1234 · Feb 28, 2010

Gofor2, you just need a shit pot load of Blackjacks and you will be fine

GOFOR2 · Feb 28, 2010

bigbet, blackjacks help! lol

kidman232 · Feb 28, 2010

in blackjack your only as good as the worst player at the table

billhill999 · Feb 28, 2010

A lot of single deck games these days the dealer shuffles after 2 hands.

GOFOR2 · Feb 28, 2010

I love the one hand wonders who stop by and throw 1 bet down and swear at the dealer, as if it's their fault when they catch a 16, or the ones who refuse to hit on 16 and lose when the dealer is showing Face or Ace. Then they tell you how the game is rigged and blah blah blah

IrishTim · Feb 28, 2010

kidman232 said:
in blackjack your only as good as the worst player at the table

How does anyone else affect you?

ALSportsJunkie · Feb 28, 2010

kidman232 said:
in blackjack your only as good as the worst player at the table

Bad players help as much as they hurt, unfortunately we only remember those times that they hurt!

kidman232 · Feb 28, 2010

someone consistently going against the odds will lose in the long term, if you have people playing retarded on key numbers (outside of say 16) it will hurt you in the long term.

festeringZit · Feb 28, 2010

kidman232 said:
in blackjack your only as good as the worst player at the table

Sorry, but this is a myth.

The actions of the other players have absolutely no effect on your results.

The only exception I can think of to this, is if they are purposely eating
cards when the count is positive - which would be totally ludicrous.

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