Are the Cardinals a LOCK in the 2010 NL CENTRAL???

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ARE THE CARDS A "LOCK"

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- March 05, 2010
Cards not a lock in NL Central


Think the Cards are a lock in the NL Central? Think again.

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I came to praise the Cardinals, but instead I'm going to bury them.

Well, not bury.

But the more I think about it, the less I am sold on St. Louis as the runaway winner of the National League Central.

Oh, the Cardinals are the best team on paper, thanks in large part to their own Core Four -- first baseman Albert Pujols, left fielder Matt Holliday and right-handers Adam Wainwright and Chris Carpenter.

Baseballprojection.com, using two different CHONE methods -- one based on starting lineups, the other on depth charts -- forecasts the Cardinals to be at least 10 games better than their next-closest division rival.

But such projections do not account -- cannot possibly account -- for injuries and midseason additions.

Let's just come right out with it: If Carpenter fails to pitch the majority of the season, as he did in both 2007 and '08, the race could turn into a free-for-all among the Cardinals, Cubs, Brewers and even the Reds.

The Cardinals overcame their share of injuries last season, including the loss of Carpenter for more than a month. General manager John Mozeliak kept improvising, adding Holliday, third baseman Mark DeRosa, infielder Julio Lugo and right-hander John Smoltz.

Alas, the re-signing of Holliday to a $17 million annual salary almost certainly will make the Cardinals less flexible this season. The Cubs, no longer handcuffed by a change in ownership, will be in better position to make moves than they were last summer.

Every team anticipates better health -- even the Cubs, despite their older roster. The Reds do not expect to again lose first baseman Joey Votto and right fielder Jay Bruce for extended periods. The Brewers are hopeful -- repeat, hopeful -- that second baseman Rickie Weeks will remain sound.

Hey, it's spring training. Optimism reigns. Still, there are three things that bug me about the Cardinals, even if Carpenter stays healthy:

THE BULLPEN

Closer Ryan Franklin is coming off a career year at age 36, but certain statistics indicate he was rather fortunate last season.

Opponents batted only .269 on balls in play against him, far below the league average. Franklin also allowed home runs on only 3.2 percent of his fly balls, down from his rate of 10.4 percent the previous year.

As Erik Manning recently pointed out on fangraphs.com, most of the Cardinals' other relievers also benefited from good luck last season.

Other questions persist as well.

Franklin's likely setup men, right-handers Jason Motte and Mitchell Boggs, are hard-throwing, younger pitchers. Each might be a future closer. But for now, both are largely unproven.

My inclination is to trust Tony La Russa and Dave Duncan, perhaps the game's best manager/pitching coach combination. But La Russa and Duncan don't always figure it out.

Since the start of their tenure in 1996, the Cardinals have ranked an average of seventh in the NL in bullpen ERA. Which just goes to show, no team is immune from the volatility of relief pitching.

THE LINEUP'S RIGHT-HANDED TILT

Want to know why La Russa is so eager to see Felipe Lopez at multiple positions?

Lopez, a switch-hitter, could give the Cardinals a third left-handed bat to go with second baseman Skip Schumaker and center fielder Colby Rasmus. None of the three is a slugger, though Rasmus' power only figures to increase.

Maybe I'm nitpicking: Pujols and Holliday are so good, they crush righties as well as lefties.

The Cubs, too, are imbalanced -- right fielder Kosuke Fukudome and second baseman Mike Fontenot are their only left-handed hitters who will play regularly.

The Brewers also lean right, but at least they've got Prince Fielder, one of the game's top left-handed sluggers, and a bench that figures to be almost entirely left-handed.

La Russa has nothing of the sort.

THE ROTATION. YEAH, THE ROTATION

If healthy, Carpenter and Wainwright will offer their usual brilliance. But if the Cardinals' 3-4-5 starters struggle, La Russa will find it that much more difficult to keep his bullpen in order.

The Cardinals actually might miss right-hander Joel Pineiro -- who left for the Angels as a free agent -- more than they imagined.

Right-hander Kyle Lohse cannot be as unlucky with injuries as he was last season, but his breakthrough in 2008 stands as an outlier -- his ERA that year was 3.78; for the rest of his career it's 4.82.

Righty Brad Penny is -- ahem -- a coin flip, even now with Duncan as his pitching coach. Righty Kyle McClellan is the likely fifth starter, while lefty Jaime Garcia offers possible depth.

Cardinals fans, I know what you're thinking: The Cubs' rotation (Ted Lilly coming off shoulder surgery, wacky Carlos Zambrano, no fifth starter) and bullpen (closer Carlos Marmol, no setup man) is far dicier.

The Brewers' rotation, headed by righty Yovani Gallardo and free-agent lefties Randy Wolf and Doug Davis, should be better, but that doesn't necessarily mean good.

The success of the Reds' rotation hinges on the continued development of righty Homer Bailey -- and perhaps the emergence of lefty Aroldis Chapman.

But keep in mind: Two highly regarded pitching coaches, Rick Peterson and Bryan Price, could be difference-makers for the Brewers and Reds, respectively.

I'm not trying to be contrary; the Cardinals should win this sucker.

But Cubs officials, in particular, see the race differently.

Their club won the division in '07 and '08, the Cardinals finishing third and fourth, respectively. Last season, the Cubs were an absolute mess, yet they were tied for first place on Aug. 7 and still won 83 games.

Now everyone starts over.

Let's see which teams maintain the best health. Let's see which teams make the best trades.

This race could be a lot closer than people think.
 

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VOTED YES, i mean SCRUBS??? CMON MAN.... PIRATES ... CMON man ASTROS CMON MAN etc. etc. REDS.. CMON MAN BAKER STROS WTF !!!!

LOCK CITY!!!
 

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They are as big a lock as the Cubs were going into last year. The difference is the Cards organization is far ahead of the Cubs.
 

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The last time a called something a lock it was the Chargers winning their division last year, Broncos made them sweat, but BOLTS did it...
 

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yes, no one else in the division has a shot, the Cardinals are unbeatable...
 

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@):mad:current odds @ sportsbook.com


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http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20100326&content_id=8960692&vkey=news_mlb&fext=.jsp&c_id=mlb


03/30/10 10:00 AM ET
NL Central deep, dangerous, balanced

Cards are favorites, but face crowded field in efforts to repeat

By John Schlegel / MLB.com

A 1-2 punch at the top of the rotation and a 1-2 punch in the middle of the order is hard to beat, and the defending National League Central champion Cardinals could stack up against any division with what they have in those departments.
But that doesn't mean the Cardinals go into 2010 as locks to knock out the competition again.
With the Cubs still very dangerous@):mad:, the Brewers balanced and a little deeper on the pitching side and now the Reds making some noise with their offseason acquisitions, the NL Central has the makings of a race that won't be clinched early. Make no mistake: The team with the combo of Cy Young contenders Chris Carpenter and Adam Wainwright at the top of the rotation and two-time defending National League MVP Albert Pujols :toast:and Matt Holliday :)<<in the middle of the order will be expected to lead the way.


But with the Redbirds possessing less overall depth than their pursuers, fate will have some say in how the NL Central plays out. Health in St. Louis, as much as anyplace, will be paramount. Already, a strained oblique is threatening Opening Day for superb catcher Yadier Molina -- not a devastating injury but not a great sign, either.
And the Cubs, who fell to second last year after finishing first in back-to-back years for the first time since 1908, a year that continues to live on for baseball's ultimate "Get 'em next year" gang. But with Carlos Zambrano leading the rotation and an offense strong through its core, the Cubs do have what it takes to battle their rivals and anyone else to the end.
The Brewers, meanwhile, have their own 1-2 punch in the middle of the order with Prince Fielder and Ryan Braun -- no teammates had more runs batted in than those two in 2009. While they don't have the knockout combo at the top the rotation, they do have added rotation depth with veteran Randy Wolf joining the mix, and they remain strong in the bullpen.
The real X-factor in the division is the Reds, and their X-factor -- fireballing left-handed phenom Aroldis Chapman, the Cuban defector signed to a $30.25 million deal this offseason -- could have something to do with whether this is the year Cincinnati jumps back into the fray. It's not all about Chapman, who appears likely to start the season in the Minors, but his presence would presumably upgrade what's already a strength with Aaron Harang and Bronson Arroyo at the top. The lineup includes veterans Scott Rolen, Orlando Cabrera and Ramon Hernandez joining cornerstone second baseman Brandon Phillips and younger stars Joey Votto and Jay Bruce. This is a team that could do some damage.
The same could be said for the Astros, but that likely would depend on bounceback seasons from first baseman Lance Berkman and Roy Oswalt. With a renewed energy sparked by the arrival of former Red Sox bench coach Brad Mills as manager and driven by young up-and-comers Michael Bourn and Hunter Pence, the Astros could surprise some folks.
A much bigger surprise would come from Pittsburgh, where the Pirates have made some moves to augment a young core that includes second-year outfielder Andrew McCutchen at the top of the order. Really, the intrigue about this season isn't necessarily about Opening Day, but it's about when their latest top prospects -- third baseman Pedro Alvarez, pitcher Brad Lincoln and outfielder Jose Tabata, are going to arrive -- all three expected by this summer.
Really, how 2010 unfolds revolves around the Cardinals, who have what it takes to win the division again -- but do they have enough of it to fend off the rest?
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<CENTER></CENTER></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>Best lineup
The Cardinals don't have to completely rely on the Pujols-Holliday ticket to take them to the promised land, with 22-homer man Ryan Ludwick following them. But having two of the game's premier right-handed sluggers goes a long way. The Brewers boast a right-left combo of Braun-Fielder that also ranks among the game's best, but offseason moves depleted some of the power potential, so speed might have to come into play more this year. The Cubs should get a boost from a return to health from third baseman Aramis Ramirez, who will add support for Derrek Lee that wasn't there down the stretch last year, when Lee regained MVP-caliber form. Center fielder Marlon Byrd adds some, shall we say, stability they didn't have a year ago as well, pushing Alfonso Soriano to No. 6 in the lineup. If Soriano and Ramirez are indeed healthy and Geovany Soto can bounce back, the Cubs are right there at the top. Our selection: Cardinals
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Best rotation
It'd be one thing if the Cardinals just had Carpenter, a Cy Young and two-time Comeback Player of the Year winner, at the top of the rotation. But Wainwright's ascension into the elite in the league puts the Redbirds at the top of the division. Still, it'll be up to the rest of the rotation, including newcomer Brad Penny, to put them over the top. The Cubs aren't that far behind and will get a boost in late April with Ted Lilly's return. Their depth will keep them going until then. Our selection: Cardinals
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<CENTER></CENTER></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>Best bullpen
Baseball's all-time saves leader, even at age 42, is a good place to start, and the Brewers added to Trevor Hoffman with veteran LaTroy Hawkins. Then again, Francisco Cordero isn't a bad place to start coming off perhaps his finest season in a 250-save career thus far, and he has support in the Reds' bullpen. It's a division that also includes Ryan Franklin coming off his own career year in St. Louis and as-yet unfulfilled closer promise in the Cubs' Carlos Marmol, who earned an All-Star spot in a setup role before taking over the job down the stretch. Call it a toss-up. Our selection: Brewers
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<CENTER></CENTER></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>Best defense
Astros center fielder Bourn turned his speed into a Gold Glove a year ago, right fielder Pence led the league in assists and rookie shortstop Tommy Manzella comes in with a sparkling defensive reputation, and he'll share the left side of the infield with Pedro Feliz, also solid. The Reds have more Gold Glove winners, but Rolen and Cabrera won't be favored to win again this year -- although second baseman Phillips might. Pujols and his Gold Glove lead a solid group in St. Louis as well. Our selection: Astros

Predicted order of finish
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John Schlegel is a reporter for MLB.com. This story was not subject to the approval of Major League Baseball or its clubs.
 

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aren't they always? i'm sure i'll be able to start another thread this year by the beginning of May.
 

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And their season will be over the first week in October....:grandmais
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The Cardinals have won a National League record 10 World Series championships, second only to the New York Yankees (who have 27) in Major League Baseball.

Best fans of baseball I have ever seen in St. Louis, period. Not from there or live there, visited many times, way classier than chicago, Philly or Boston.
 

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The Cardinals have won a National League record 10 World Series championships, second only to the New York Yankees (who have 27) in Major League Baseball.

Best fans of baseball I have ever seen in St. Louis, period. Not from there or live there, visited many times, way classier than chicago, Philly or Boston.

Its the busloads of Iowa fans that ruin the Wrigley Field experience. :lol:
 

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I cant believe the Astros are even going to play this season with their line up. I wonder what the lowest official attendance for a MLB game is ? That will be the only records broken by this team this year...
 

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I cant believe the Astros are even going to play this season with their line up. I wonder what the lowest official attendance for a MLB game is ? That will be the only records broken by this team this year...

What do you mean....
I cant believe the Astros are even going to play this season with their line up.
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