hero in 8 years, scumbag in 8 minutes

Even though I should have probably expected this, it amazes me sometimes how some people conduct themselves. I don't understand, for the life of me, why some of you get so offended at this. I could have beaten up an old lady on the 6 o' clock news and received less grief. If I may make a suggestion, stop the "monkey see, monkey do" mentality and instead try to make your own decisions as to what is right or wrong in life. I feel some of you just react this way because you've learned that's how everyone else reacts.

Aren't we capable of making our own decisions? If you drive by a McDonald's and you see on their big sign out front "99 cent Big Macs", do you go in the restaurant and yell insults and degrade them? Of course not. You either buy the Big Mac or you keep driving. How is this any different? Accept or decline and move on. What's with the insults? I thought freedom of choice was the simplest of concepts and one that should go without saying.

I understand and respect the rules of the forum, and I can see why my thread was moved, but some of you overreacted so hastily and didn't wait to see what my intentions were for the upcoming season. One member ("Chasin Action") understood because he read what I posted. Many others didn't care to. Quick to judge, slow to understand. I was actually planning on providing insight here all season as to how I approach building systems. It was going to be a fun change for me. More like a workshop. There would still be some picks here and there, but mainly information which would have been very productive in some capacity, at least for those that are students of capping like myself. Way more productive than many of the threads on these forums tend to be. I think we get too hung up on picks here that we forget we can add other content of meaning as well. That's why I'm upset with some of the overreactions. It's okay for people to take from me but if I decide to protect my work I'm out of line?

To the new guy that joined the forum THIS MONTH that was questioning my results from last year and also questioning how I can expect 60-100 units this year, you need to try reading what I wrote. It's not that hard. I always explain, usually in very time-consuming detail (like this post), what I'm talking about. If you don't take the time to read it, that's not my fault.

Vegas Vic, I can't possibly disagree with your accusations any more than I do. Since when should I have to defend myself for making a profit in hockey or any sport? I can stop my free and publicly posted hockey system whenever I feel like it. I've never been a guy that just does this for the "action" as you say. I don't care what the average guy does. I am not the average guy. That's probably why I'm successful. You do know being an action junkie is counter-productive right? Would you follow someone like that? Bottom line, I make profit. And I do that by working hard and trying to make the best decisions I can. I told you I stopped NBA at 34 units and SAVED everyone around 5 units by stopping early! It worked!!! UNITS NOT LOST ARE UNITS GAINED! What don't you understand? I should be getting complimented for that yet instead I'm being accused by you. I'm more shocked at your comments than anyone's because I thought you were a classy guy in the hockey forum and you had my respect. I almost want to believe someone else logged into your account and that wasn't really you. For you to get so upset about this that you lose your mind and accuse me of stopping early to ensure profit is absolutely shocking, not to mention it shows me a complete lack of respect.

Well, that's it. I had to get this off my chest. I don't feel I owe anyone an explanation but I've invested way too many hours of my life on this forum to not explain my side. I've paid my dues for 8 years, 5 of them here, and in all that time I've done nothing but provide winning picks in every single season and always made myself available to answer questions or provide insight while asking for nothing in return. 8 years of that! I thought I at least earned the benefit of the doubt and people would at least respect my decision whether they liked it or not. Combine MLB, NFL, NBA and NHL together and no one has matched my results here. I've been told for years that my hard work was appreciated but now I see the appreciation is selfishly conditional.

I understand there will be more bashing from certain individuals which will probably begin immediately. From what I've seen so far, it's a certainty.

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Here's my baseball content of the post: take the Phillies o91.5 wins (100 units)

Number Freak, I for one totally understand why you decided to change the way you are doing things. People are just self righteous and jealous and never stop to really put themselves in the person's shoes they are judging. Almost anyone would do the same thing you are doing if they had your talent and success doing this. I appreciate all that you have offered to this forum and hope you choose to stay around.

numbers freak...i just signed up last year and witnessed your success in the mlb forum...didnt tail you in the other sports so i cant attest to the what you did but i can say you were one of the best around in mlb...i personally took notice...i really appreciate all you did and would hope you reconsider and put out a few plays a week to those who cant see the change but i do think you earned it if you have put in that many winning seasons..and i do wish you luck in the future..

It's quite simple, NF. People were enjoying the gravy train for free, and are ticked off that it's not free anymore. Doesn't get any easier than that.

I have followed you for many years, and I still believe you are the hardest working person on the internet when it comes to trying to beat the book.

It's unfortunate someone stole your plays, but that's life. You have been dilligent in posting and explaining, which many people don't bother to.

You have provided many many winners, more than losers. I believe you are one of the few that have found a way to actually profit from this endeavor, and do it consistently.

I wish you continued success. Don't let the few negatives get you down.
Your friend,
cruisin:toast:

NF:

I guess being busy and with the NCAA tourney going on and hard at it with my local team (UK), I missed all of the hoopla you referenced above.

Without going through all of the negative comments, just let me say something here in this post.

i) Cruisin is right. People liked the gravy train free ride. They like it from you because you were successful and easily recognized as someone who researched their selections and cared about the product.

ii) As I am in my business, I care greatly about my product. Like you, my product is of value and people want it. The only difference between you and I, is that you gave yours out as "free samples" and people like free. That makes it more difficult to switch to charging for the lemonade after the peeps kept coming for a free drink at your stand.

iv) I have been around long enough to know that you can't please everyone.
As is often the case, the squeaky wheel gets the grease. In this case the squeakers/squawkers are in essence the minority.....yet their voices yell the loudest.

Let me be a part of the silent majority and thank you publicly for all that you have contributed to the many aspects of this forum. If there is anyone that deserves some recognition for achievement and a thank you, it's you.

You are appreciated.

P.S. I want to add that I completely understand and endorse your decision to
move forward in your planned direction.

Don't let the negativity of some be the voice for everyone here. I, like many others appreciate what you did for us.

NF,

My posts in your original thread, (which I can't find anymore), weren't intended to insult you. Actually I was somewhat surprised to read your email and perhaps my gut reaction was out of line. For this knee jerk reaction I apologize. But I've been on both sides of the fence with sports betting. I'm sure you don't know it but I was employed as a tout at one time. I know the business and I've seen the disservice it causes first hand. My reaction to your email, which outlined your charges and past success, made me think what a coincidence you decided to stop the NHL season when you did. I'm still very mistrusting of many services or touts and suspected something foul. I called you out on it and you responded in kind.

If I remember correctly my second brief post just pointed out to you that when someone buys something for a time period they usually expect what they are paying for. A year's service for $999 should mean 12 months of picks, win, lose or draw. What happens if you call the NCAA basketball season in February due to hitting a terrible slide but still up 15 units. You think your full season clients will be cool in watching March Madness without the guidence they paid you for?

You implied to me that your clients would be comfortable in the fact they are quitting while ahead, show a profit for the season, and wouldn't be concerned with sitting out whatever time is remaining for the year. From my experience with this subject I stick with my belief that most gamblers do so more for the entertainment, (action), then to turn a profit. Sure we all want to win but what's really the most important thing to most sports gamblers is having a live ticket for tonight's game.

Someone here mentioned all your critics are angry because we can't tail you for free anymore. I think you know that was not my motivation. I never tailed you blindly before, as I never would anyone else.

Any handicapper worth his weight doesn't need one client to make a living from this endeavor. All they need to do is take their own advice and bet enough money. You've already proven through these forums you know your stuff.

I wish you good luck with this NF and really meant no animosity.

Thanks guys. I know there's a bunch of good people here and, believe me, your voices are heard much louder than the negative ones. I know you can't please everyone, and you can't force someone to try to understand you when they have already made up their mind.

Regardless, I thank you guys for the support. Class acts.


Vic, because of your experiences, maybe you think I'm the same as everyone else. I'm obviously not. I've never been a gambler. When you gamble, you can expect to lose. When you invest, you expect to win. You can't have it both ways over time. It's one or the other. I cap sports for the challenge of beating the odds. Problem solving that doubles as an investment. If I wasn't such a big sports fan, I'd probably be trying to beat the stock market instead. Thankfully I like sports because I do way better than stocks. I have plenty of action in the course of a year but 150 units in 1500 games is better than 100 units in 3000 games. Period.

Of course you don't need clients to make money if you're good enough. Again, I'm not doing this for the same reasons as other people you know. A big reason was to have some sort of protection for my work rather than just throw it out into cyberspace, where you don't know who's doing what with it. There's a lot of copycats around just wanting attention so they copy other people's ideas and start their own threads. I already saw someone say they are coming up with a "new" baseball system formulated after something mistermj did combined with my pulse system. This is one of the reasons I've gone in a different direction.

By the way, I don't do NCAA basketball at the moment but if I did I would MAINLY do the March Madness tournament because (a) that's the most popular time of the year for college hoops and (b) earlier in the year I already have pro hoops and hockey consuming my time. In fact, I just may do the tourney next year if I come up with something of value.

Don't try to forecast problems for me. I'd like to think I know what I'm doing. I'm not desperate to have a big business like you seem to think I am. I accept whoever teams up with me and whoever doesn't. I have information of value and I'm offering it to those who recognize that value. That's all. I'll let the chips fall where they may.

Thanks for the well wishes.

NF I would love to be on board with you in mlb I saw u all last year and were nice and steady let me know how to get in

Nf, i see the o/u on phillies moved to 92- is this still a 100 unit play? Thx bsb

freak...u had to know people would be pissed...i was dissapointed to...but at the same time, would do the same thing if i was in your shoes...gl

NF-
You know I am a fan of your work. I think you are spot on with the meticulous investor mentality you have brought to this forum. Although I am disappointed that your picks will not be available here any longer, I would be lying if I said that no touts out there are worth the investment. There are not many, but there are a handful of which I know you can be a part. I hope you change your mind, but I wish you luck either way. Thank you for the profits!!

Moreover, you are correct, there is absolutely no obligation for anyone to post their picks here regardless of how long they have been posting or how widely followed they are. You know a lot of people are unhappy to see you go, and with good reason. You leaving, coupled with MJ, is a true blow to the community here in the rx. However, I am confident that the forum will march on and help the smart member turn a profit in perpetuity, per usual.

What was your record in bases last year?

NF I would love to be on board with you in mlb I saw u all last year and were nice and steady let me know how to get in

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You'll have to contact me in private.

Nf, i see the o/u on phillies moved to 92- is this still a 100 unit play? Thx bsb

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No.

freak...u had to know people would be pissed...i was dissapointed to...but at the same time, would do the same thing if i was in your shoes...gl

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I can understand being disappointed, but being pissed or angry is a little ridiculous.

NF-
You know I am a fan of your work. I think you are spot on with the meticulous investor mentality you have brought to this forum. Although I am disappointed that your picks will not be available here any longer, I would be lying if I said that no touts out there are worth the investment. There are not many, but there are a handful of which I know you can be a part. I hope you change your mind, but I wish you luck either way. Thank you for the profits!!

Moreover, you are correct, there is absolutely no obligation for anyone to post their picks here regardless of how long they have been posting or how widely followed they are. You know a lot of people are unhappy to see you go, and with good reason. You leaving, coupled with MJ, is a true blow to the community here in the rx. However, I am confident that the forum will march on and help the smart member turn a profit in perpetuity, per usual.

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Mike, you're another one of the many good guys here that I've talked to over the years. I know you don't mean anything negative by it, but not everyone who charges for picks is a tout. The word "tout" means (by definition) "someone who solicits business in an importune or boastful manner." The last thing I am is a salesman. I couldn't sell bananas to a monkey. Every single person that has received my information has requested it in the first place. "Tout" is a very negative word here at the RX used to describe a scam artist. We all know the type, and I agree with people who get angry at those people because touts have a disingenuous agenda.

What was your record in bases last year?

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My filtered money line plays were 41-10 (80%), but I can only verify 29-7 (80%) on this forum. I have added run line plays to the mix this year which will add a ton more production.


OK guys, I don't want to muddle up the baseball board anymore with this stuff. There's more important things to discuss here than this with Opening Day a week away. If you want to contact me, you can PM me. Thanks to everyone for the support and best of luck to you all.

Wait, your goal for the season is 60-100 units, but you have a 100 unit bet on the Phillies win total? Did I understand that correctly? How big are your day-to-day bets gonna be? 1-5 units?

post or dont post... who gives a fuck..

If you have a legal product and people are willing to pay for it, go for it! Everyone else does. I'd imagine the haters would charge money if they had a marketable product. I'd expect them to otherwise they are idiots. Make money from your talent and work! That's how the world works. People don't like to pay for something that used to be free but that's not your problem. It's plain and simple.
I, for one, can't afford that and don't play big enough to spend that kind of money for your product so I will, unfortunately, have to decline.
All the best to you.

Just seeing this thread.

I, personally, will miss seeing you "around the boards" Bruce. In the 12/13 years (geez time flys) I've been a part of the gambling forums I've met way too few guys who go about their "business" the way you do. You have always been a great read with intelligent, well written commentary, a great fellow poster, and above all, a great handicapper. Gonna miss ya bud. Find a way to drop by and share some wisdom. My inspiration comes from fellow 'cappers like you.

Best of luck Bruce. Whatever success this new venture brings your way won't be enough.