Near Mid-air CRASH over San Fran.....

FAA, NTSB investigate near mid-air crash over SF


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• Play Video Video:NTSB Probes Near Mid-Air Collision At SFO <CITE>CBS 5 San Francisco</CITE>

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<!-- end .related-media --><CITE class=vcard>By JASON DEAREN, Associated Press Writer Jason Dearen, Associated Press Writer </CITE>– <ABBR class=timedate title=2010-03-30T20:48:12-0700>Tue Mar 30, 11:48 pm ET</ABBR>
<!-- end .byline -->SAN FRANCISCO – Federal investigators are looking into the weekend near collision of a commercial jet and small airplane near San Francisco International Airport.
The Federal Aviation Administration is taking "strong measures to make sure something similar does not occur in the future" following Saturday's near-miss between United Airlines Flight 889 to Beijing, China, and a light-wing airplane, FAA spokesman Ian Gregor said. The National Transportation Safety Board also is investigating.
The closest the planes came to each other was 300 feet vertically and 1,500 feet horizontally, Gregor said. The United flight continued to Beijing with no further incident.
According to Gregor, air traffic controllers cleared the United flight, a Boeing 777 carrying 251 passengers, for takeoff at 11:15 a.m. and quickly spotted the Cessna 182 flying south.
The controller radioed both planes' pilots, Gregor said, and the jet's automatic traffic collision avoidance system alerted its pilots of the small aircraft approaching, causing them to level the jet's climb.
"The Cessna pilot reported that he had the 777 in sight, and adjusted his path to maneuver above and behind the 777," Gregor told The Associated Press in an e-mail.
United spokeswoman Robin Urbanski said the airline is fully cooperating with the investigation and that it reported the incident to NTSB. She said this kind of near, mid-air collision is "unusual" for United.
Gregor said the controller should have noticed the Cessna earlier, but noted that the pilots were quickly contacted once the situation was recognized.
David Caldwell, union representative for the National Air Traffic Controllers Association at the SFO tower, had no immediate comment on the investigation.
"We have to go through a process to make a fair evaluation of what happened, and if we need to fix something, we fix something," Caldwell said.
Gregor said the FAA does not keep statistics on near misses, and that they are reported by pilots. However, he said misses this close are rare and need to be properly scrutinized.
NTSB spokesman Peter Knudson said its investigation could take three to 12 months.
"If we determine at any point in the investigation that there was a serious safety issue ... we can issue safety recommendations," Knudson said.

Say what ya want about it being safer, shit like this makes me queasy when I have to fly.

I am taking a trip out to Vegas next month and am not looking forward to the flight, let alone flying on an Airbus

pshhh people who are afraid of flying always make me scratch my head, your afraid of a plane crashing into another plane or the ground but not worried about the jackass on the highway whose going to cut across 3 lanes of traffic to make an exit while talking on the phone. Ill take flying on any trip over driving, alot less idiots in the sky than on the road

came to each other was 300 feet vertically and 1,500 feet horizontally

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Is that close??

Max, I assume there is not much margin for error

Airplane disasters are fascinating to me for some reason

On nat geo they have that one show that chronicles them and there actually WAS a mid air collision. One of the more brutal memorable episodes.

Just one of the more harrowing things you will ever see

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kidman232 said:

pshhh people who are afraid of flying always make me scratch my head, your afraid of a plane crashing into another plane or the ground but not worried about the jackass on the highway whose going to cut across 3 lanes of traffic to make an exit while talking on the phone. Ill take flying on any trip over driving, alot less idiots in the sky than on the road

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exactly.. but to people that are afraid to fly this does not make any sense, I think the fear comes from not being in control of the moving plane and paranoia... its just the way it is . WAY WAY safer to fly

Dante, I get that, nothing about control. It's just something as big as a boeing in the air, i dunno, not much you can do when/if the mofo goes down, it's lights out

i know the stats, but still.

Dante said:

exactly.. but to people that are afraid to fly this does not make any sense, I think the fear comes from not being in control of the moving plane and paranoia... its just the way it is . WAY WAY safer to fly

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You are correct. On the highway you have to worry about idiots and scammers trying to pull a scoot and squat and all other kinds of BS like drunk drivers.

hopefully no one had their kids in the towers

I remember the San Diego crash in '78 or '79 quite well. This sounds like it could have been a similar situation.

bigbet1234 said:

Dante, I get that, nothing about control. It's just something as big as a boeing in the air, i dunno, not much you can do when/if the mofo goes down, it's lights out

i know the stats, but still.

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you are correct there, if its going down your a goner.. but the chances are extremely, extremely slim... if its your time to go you your going

to go it could be when you go out to get your morning paper and slip and bust your head open.... cant live in fear then we will never see anything or go anywhere our whole lives, then when we are 90 and slurping apple sauce at the nursing home you will think back to what if .. just sayin'

maxdemo said:

Is that close??

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Well the Boeing was prob going around 180-200 mph and the cesna was prob going at least 140 so I would say that's very close no matter what direction they missed each other.