Doubling down in Black Jack after (after 3 cards?)

I went to veneto Hotel and casino in Panama Last night and was surprised to find that you are able to double down on 3 cards if you have achieved 9/10/11

so basically if you have a 4 and 3, and then get a 4 for a total of 11, you can then double down.

This seemed to me to be a pretty big advantage to the player.

They also paid 3/2 on Black jack but hit on soft 17's.

That's pretty cool.
How you like panama?

Panama is very nice, skyscrapers eveywhere, beautiful women. with alot of the modern conveniences of home. Of course, i have not had too much time to go out and about and also it has been raining the 2-3 days i have been here so far.

Do they allow Double After splits? doubling on any 2 cards, surrender at all?

Has to be some kinda catch with that. If not, good find

Perhaps you were playing Spanish 21?

If so, I believe the catch is that there are no 10's in the deck. Changes the odds dramatically.

WC, sounds about right.

bigbet1234 said:

Do they allow Double After splits? doubling on any 2 cards, surrender at all?

Has to be some kinda catch with that. If not, good find

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yes the allow all that, when is the best time to surrender?

Guys.... This is real Black Jack.

SportSavant said:

yes the allow all that, when is the best time to surrender?

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I think surrender was the 1st option with a 15+16 against a 10 or Ace and with a 16 vs a dealers 9.

So, they don't take the 10's out?

How many decks? All different times to Surrender. If they offer (ES) early surrender, that is money. That is where they let you surrender BEFORE they check for blackjack..

Depends on the combination of the cards to on what you surrender. Go to thewizardofodds.com and you can print a cheat card.

SportSavant said:

Guys.... This is real Black Jack.

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SportSavant said:

Guys.... This is real Black Jack.

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So is Spanish 21. With the exception that you can double down after your 3 cards and there are no 10's in the deck.. Sounds like thats what you were playing. Maybe they didnt have it advertised as Spanish 21?

If the 10's are in the deck and it IS real blackjack.....you found a small candy store. Not sure of the strategy for a game like that, but you can find it online probably

Doubling 3 more more cards adds +.24 advantage to you. But the hitting soft 17 gives them a -.21 advantage, that is assuming it is 6 deck. 6 decks holds a -.54 advantage. Early surrender you get about a +.71% added, which is HUGE.

Here is a chart for ya so you can caculate your odds on the game. Good luck

<TABLE width="100%" align=center><TBODY><TR><TD>Common Rules </TD><TD>1-Deck </TD><TD>2-Deck </TD><TD>Multi-Deck</TD></TR><TR><TD>Double on 10-11 only: </TD><TD>-0.26 </TD><TD>-0.21</TD><TD>-0.18</TD></TR><TR><TD>Double on 9-10-11 only: </TD><TD>-0.13 </TD><TD>-0.11 </TD><TD>-0.09</TD></TR><TR><TD>Hits Soft 17: </TD><TD>-0.19 </TD><TD>-0.20 </TD><TD>-0.21</TD></TR><TR><TD>No Resplits: </TD><TD>-0.02 </TD><TD>-0.03 </TD><TD>-0.04</TD></TR><TR><TD>Double After Splits: </TD><TD>+0.14 </TD><TD>+0.14 </TD><TD>+0.14</TD></TR><TR><TD>Resplit Aces: </TD><TD>+0.03 </TD><TD>+0.05 </TD><TD>+0.07</TD></TR><TR><TD>Draw to Split Aces: </TD><TD>+0.14 </TD><TD>+0.14 </TD><TD>+0.14</TD></TR><TR><TD>Late Surrender: </TD><TD>+0.02 </TD><TD>+0.05 </TD><TD>+0.08</TD></TR><TR><TD>Late Surrender (H soft17): </TD><TD>+0.03 </TD><TD>+0.06 </TD><TD>+0.09</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>
<TABLE width="100%" align=center><TBODY><TR><TD colSpan=4>Less Common Rules</TD></TR><TR><TD>Double on 8-9-10-11 only: </TD><TD>-0.13 </TD><TD>-0.11 </TD><TD>-0.09</TD><TR><TR><TD>Double on 11 only: </TD><TD>-0.78 </TD><TD>-0.69 </TD><TD>-0.64</TD></TR><TR><TD>Double 3 or More Cards: </TD><TD>+0.24 </TD><TD>+0.24 </TD><TD>+0.24</TD></TR><TR><TD>Double after Ace splits: </TD><TD>+0.10 </TD><TD>+0.10 </TD><TD>+0.10</TD></TR><TR><TD>Double on 3+ cards: </TD><TD>+0.24 </TD><TD>+0.23 </TD><TD>+0.23</TD></TR><TR><TD>No Ace Splits: </TD><TD>-0.16 </TD><TD>-0.17 </TD><TD>-0.18</TD></TR><TR><TD>Early Surrender: </TD><TD>+0.62 </TD><TD>+0.62 </TD><TD>+0.63</TD></TR><TR><TD>Early Surrender (H soft17): </TD><TD>+0.70 </TD><TD>+0.71 </TD><TD>+0.72</TD></TR><TR><TD>Early Surrender v. 10 only: </TD><TD>+0.19 </TD><TD>+0.21 </TD><TD>+0.24</TD></TR><TR><TD>BJ Pays 6-to-5: </TD><TD>-1.74 </TD><TD>-1.71 </TD><TD>-1.71</TD></TR><TR><TD>BJ Pays 1-to-1: </TD><TD>-2.32 </TD><TD>-2.28 </TD><TD>-2.26</TD></TR><TR><TD>BJ Pays 2-to-1: </TD><TD>+2.32 </TD><TD>+2.28 </TD><TD>+2.26</TD></TR><TR><TD>Suited BJ Pays 2-to-1: </TD><TD>+0.58 </TD><TD>+0.57 </TD><TD>+0.56</TD></TR><TR><TD>21 Pushes Dlr. 10-up BJ: </TD><TD>+0.20 </TD><TD>+0.20 </TD><TD>+0.20 </TD></TR><TR><TD>No Hole Card (European): </TD><TD>-0.10 </TD><TD>-0.11 </TD><TD>-0.11</TD></TR><TR><TD>5-card 21 Pays 2-to-1: </TD><TD>+0.20 </TD><TD>+0.20 </TD><TD>+0.20</TD></TR><TR><TD>6-card 21 Pays 2-to-1: </TD><TD>+0.10 </TD><TD>+0.10 </TD><TD>+0.10</TD></TR><TR><TD>Suited 678 Pays 2-to-1: </TD><TD>+0.01 </TD><TD>+0.01 </TD><TD>+0.01</TD></TR><TR><TD>7-7-7 Pays 3-to-2: </TD><TD>+0.01 </TD><TD>+0.01 </TD><TD>+0.01</TD></TR><TR><TD>6 Cards Unbusted Wins: </TD><TD>+0.10 </TD><TD>+0.10 </TD><TD>+0.10</TD></TR><TR><TD>No Insurance: </TD><TD>00.00 </TD><TD>00.00 </TD><TD>00.00</TD></TR><TR><TD>Multi-Action: </TD><TD>00.00 </TD><TD>00.00 </TD><TD>00.00</TD></TR><TR><TD>Over/Under: </TD><TD>00.00 </TD><TD>00.00 </TD><TD>00.00</TD></TR><TR><TD>Royal Match </TD><TD>00.00 </TD><TD>00.00 </TD><TD>00.00</TD></TR><TR><TD>Super 7s: </TD><TD>00.00 </TD><TD>00.00 </TD><TD>00.00</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>

My god, ive been playing black jack for years, its an automatic shuffler, i think 6 deccks, and the tens are there.

You can also surrender.

You can also double for 1/2 your bet if you want.

im 90% sure they do offer ES but wasnt sure when was the best time to do it?

Playing 10$ a hand I won $300 first night and $50 last night

Print one of those cards, memorize it or take it with you. Not sure if they allow that down there, but if they do, take it.

Watch for 10's in the deck. The kings, queens, etc....will be there but the 10's are gone.

bigbet1234 said:

print one of those cards, memorize it or take it with you. Not sure if they allow that down there, but if they do, take it.

Watch for 10's in the deck. The kings, queens, etc....will be there but the 10's are gone.

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no they are not!