just need half a table...........instructions on how to build one is online.........i have been "kicked" out of three casinos for dice setting............palace station, monte carlo and the infamous frontier..................just treat the dealers and pitbosses nice and they will let you fire away............gl
Fwiw..
Interview With The Greatest Dice Controller
By Henry Tamburin
Dom LoRiggio, known in craps circles as the “The Dice Dominator”, has turned the craps world upside down with his uncanny ability of being able to control the dice when he throws them. He was recently featured on the History Channel’s “Dice Dominator” and he has co-authored the new book, Golden Touch Dice Control Revolution! – Win at Craps Using a Controlled Throw.
When and how did you get started playing craps?
Throughout the late 1980s and early 90s I was an advantage blackjack player. I got interested in craps after reading several dice books by Frank Scoblete about the Captain and the Arm and I was intrigued by the idea of getting the edge at craps using a controlled throw. In the late 90s I started to practice a controlled throw and then I took a poorly designed course in controlled shooting and that got me started. I worked on the throw for six months before I really had it down. A couple of years later I met Frank Scoblete who was researching a book and we went to the craps tables where he wanted to see me roll. Well, I wanted to see him roll too. I had a half hour roll. Scoblete was impressed. Then he came right back with a half hour roll himself. Boy was I impressed.
Can you explain to readers how you can control the outcome of your rolls?
The game of craps is a game of probabilities inherent in two dice. In a random game, those probabilities are set in stone. However, what my fellow Golden Touch dice controllers and I do is influence which dice faces come up by setting the dice a certain way and throwing them our special way. We change the probabilities by reducing the number of sevens or increasing the appearance of other numbers.
What are the steps in a controlled throw?
In dice control, you have to set the dice properly, stand at the right distance from the back wall, grab the dice properly, grip them properly, and throw them softly with the proper amount of backswing so they land softly on the layout, and then hit the back wall and die. It takes practice and discipline. It is a skill that most people can achieve if they work at it.
The casinos require that you hit the back wall so doesn’t that make dice control impossible?
Not at all. The Golden Touch throw that Frank Scoblete and I teach and that is the subject of our new book, Golden Touch Dice Control Revolution!, must hit the back wall to be successful. If we miss the back wall the throw is usually random as one die is doing something completely different from the other die. When we miss the back wall, we grimace because now we must rely on luck for the seven not to show.
How long would it take an average person to learn the Golden Touch dice control technique? How does a person practice?
I am an average person; so is Frank. It took me six months of practice before I knew I had an edge and was comfortable going into the casinos to play. I practiced almost every day on a craps station that I built. You don’t have to buy a craps table but you do have to simulate one so that you can practice your throw.
How does a player know he is influencing the dice?
There are two methods that we use to ascertain and then calculate what our edge is. For new dice controllers, we recommend using the SRR formula – known as Sevens to Rolls Ratio. This is a way to show us in an easy formula if we are actually able to change the probabilities of the game. Using the Hardway set, which shows hardway numbers all around the dice set with the end pips being the 1 and the 6, we can see if we are reducing the appearance of the seven. The seven usually appears once every six rolls on average. If you do about five thousand rolls using the Hardway set and you find that the seven is appearing once every 6.5 rolls, then you are probably changing the game. At that point you then use the powerful software program, Smart Craps, to prove with statistical certainty that you are influencing the dice outcomes and how much of an edge you have over the casino.
What sets do you recommend to a novice dice controller?
The Hardway set is the best for reducing the appearance of the seven. If you wish to set for the sevens, you use a set called the All Seven set that has sevens all around the dice. A more skilled shooter might wish to try the 3-V set where you have the threes together and sixes and eights all around the dice. These different dice sets are described in more detail with photographs in my new book.
What bets do you make?
There are three aspects to dice control. You must practice your throw, know what your edge is, and then bet into that edge. Skilled shooters must make bets that they can overcome. If I have a five percent edge and I make bets where the casino’s initial edge is 1.5 percent, I will beat the house making those bets. If I make bad bets, like the Horn, then I am going to lose to the casino because the house edge is 12.5 percent. My edge can’t overcome the house edge. Too many would-be dice controllers are such poor bettors that they lose anyway.
Do you increase your bets when you win?
If you are having a good roll and you have made a profit of maybe three or four times the amount you have bet on the layout then careful pressing at times can help. However, you should always bet into your advantage right from the beginning. That is how you establish your bankroll and your betting levels.
What were some of your greatest dice sessions?
I had a 56 hand roll before the very first seven showed. I’ve had many hour-long rolls and a few hour and thirty-five minute rolls. With Frank playing, I went 30, 33 and 38 rolls back to back to back. Of course that day Frank Scoblete had an 89-hand roll. Even that great roll doesn’t compare to the Captain’s 147-roll hand or 100-roll hand as described in detail on www.goldentouchcraps.com. The History Channel showed me calling my numbers and that was a true account. There are times when I am so “on” that I can call what will land next. I did this six times in a row for a Travel Channel show that Frank wrote but the producer decided not to use that sequence. I am usually a very consistent and quiet shooter but there are times that I get into a zone when I am hot and I can get very loud and flamboyant. Frank says that I scare the younger stick people when I “go crazy.”
How often does a skilled dice controller win?
The number of winning sessions is not as important as whether you are winning money overall. Most hands are not winners for a dice controller, just like most at bats are not hits for good hitters. If you have three winning hands every 10 turns with the dice you will make money. A player who establishes a point and sevens out can only lose his initial bets but those hot rolls can win multiple bets over and over so the good to great rolls will make you a lot of money.
How accurate was the History Channel show (The Dice Dominator) about you?
The show put me in with a dice control team at the beginning of my career and that the classes they taught were actually to get members for their team. Not so. That team bet low stakes and I was never involved with them. Also, most of the players on that team were not really all that skilled so that was inaccurate. Both Frank Scoblete and I discussed the Captain, the man who started all this dice control stuff in the modern casino, and his partner the Arm for several hours with the producer but none of that appeared in the show. However, the show did portray accurately how I am in a casino and the work I put in to the developing of my skill. Frank Scoblete, unfortunately, was portrayed as someone who was a lowlife instead of someone with three master’s degrees who is a real gentleman.
Why are your Golden Touch Craps dice control classes so popular?
It is better to play with an edge than without an edge. We have the best dice controllers teaching our classes. They have all gone through a rigorous training program and they have demonstrated their edge on Smart Craps and in the casinos. The word of mouth spreads and all our classes are sold out by the time we conduct them. We have a ratio of four or five students per teacher in our classes so you are paying for intense and I mean intense personal, hands-on training.
What are the common mistakes dice controllers make?
The first mistake is to overestimate your edge. The second mistake is to bet that overestimated edge, which means you will lose money or win very little money. The third mistake is to not practice. No skilled athlete goes into intense competition without practicing his skill. Pitchers warm up; hitters take batting practice almost every day.
What words of advice do you have for players interested in becoming dice controllers?
First read Frank Scoblete and my book The Golden Touch Dice Control Revolution to see if you really have the discipline and stick-to-the-task attitude. If you are interested in learning the skill from great dice controllers then consider attending the Golden Touch Craps dice control class.
Frank Scoblete rated you as one of the top four dice controllers he ever saw in a past issue of Casino Player. How do you see this?
Well, Frank is the best one I ever saw. Of course, I never saw the Arm or the Captain shoot, although I have talked with the Captain and our throw is modeled on his throw. There are great shooters in our Golden Touch group and our students get to see them shoot the dice when they take our class – that is an eye-opening. The bottom line is, once again, playing with an edge is better than playing without an edge.
SmartGambling.com
Interview With The Greatest Dice Controller
By Henry Tamburin
Dom LoRiggio, known in craps circles as the “The Dice Dominator”, has turned the craps world upside down with his uncanny ability of being able to control the dice when he throws them. He was recently featured on the History Channel’s “Dice Dominator” and he has co-authored the new book, Golden Touch Dice Control Revolution! – Win at Craps Using a Controlled Throw.
When and how did you get started playing craps?
Throughout the late 1980s and early 90s I was an advantage blackjack player. I got interested in craps after reading several dice books by Frank Scoblete about the Captain and the Arm and I was intrigued by the idea of getting the edge at craps using a controlled throw. In the late 90s I started to practice a controlled throw and then I took a poorly designed course in controlled shooting and that got me started. I worked on the throw for six months before I really had it down. A couple of years later I met Frank Scoblete who was researching a book and we went to the craps tables where he wanted to see me roll. Well, I wanted to see him roll too. I had a half hour roll. Scoblete was impressed. Then he came right back with a half hour roll himself. Boy was I impressed.
Can you explain to readers how you can control the outcome of your rolls?
The game of craps is a game of probabilities inherent in two dice. In a random game, those probabilities are set in stone. However, what my fellow Golden Touch dice controllers and I do is influence which dice faces come up by setting the dice a certain way and throwing them our special way. We change the probabilities by reducing the number of sevens or increasing the appearance of other numbers.
What are the steps in a controlled throw?
In dice control, you have to set the dice properly, stand at the right distance from the back wall, grab the dice properly, grip them properly, and throw them softly with the proper amount of backswing so they land softly on the layout, and then hit the back wall and die. It takes practice and discipline. It is a skill that most people can achieve if they work at it.
The casinos require that you hit the back wall so doesn’t that make dice control impossible?
Not at all. The Golden Touch throw that Frank Scoblete and I teach and that is the subject of our new book, Golden Touch Dice Control Revolution!, must hit the back wall to be successful. If we miss the back wall the throw is usually random as one die is doing something completely different from the other die. When we miss the back wall, we grimace because now we must rely on luck for the seven not to show.
How long would it take an average person to learn the Golden Touch dice control technique? How does a person practice?
I am an average person; so is Frank. It took me six months of practice before I knew I had an edge and was comfortable going into the casinos to play. I practiced almost every day on a craps station that I built. You don’t have to buy a craps table but you do have to simulate one so that you can practice your throw.
How does a player know he is influencing the dice?
There are two methods that we use to ascertain and then calculate what our edge is. For new dice controllers, we recommend using the SRR formula – known as Sevens to Rolls Ratio. This is a way to show us in an easy formula if we are actually able to change the probabilities of the game. Using the Hardway set, which shows hardway numbers all around the dice set with the end pips being the 1 and the 6, we can see if we are reducing the appearance of the seven. The seven usually appears once every six rolls on average. If you do about five thousand rolls using the Hardway set and you find that the seven is appearing once every 6.5 rolls, then you are probably changing the game. At that point you then use the powerful software program, Smart Craps, to prove with statistical certainty that you are influencing the dice outcomes and how much of an edge you have over the casino.
What sets do you recommend to a novice dice controller?
The Hardway set is the best for reducing the appearance of the seven. If you wish to set for the sevens, you use a set called the All Seven set that has sevens all around the dice. A more skilled shooter might wish to try the 3-V set where you have the threes together and sixes and eights all around the dice. These different dice sets are described in more detail with photographs in my new book.
What bets do you make?
There are three aspects to dice control. You must practice your throw, know what your edge is, and then bet into that edge. Skilled shooters must make bets that they can overcome. If I have a five percent edge and I make bets where the casino’s initial edge is 1.5 percent, I will beat the house making those bets. If I make bad bets, like the Horn, then I am going to lose to the casino because the house edge is 12.5 percent. My edge can’t overcome the house edge. Too many would-be dice controllers are such poor bettors that they lose anyway.
Do you increase your bets when you win?
If you are having a good roll and you have made a profit of maybe three or four times the amount you have bet on the layout then careful pressing at times can help. However, you should always bet into your advantage right from the beginning. That is how you establish your bankroll and your betting levels.
What were some of your greatest dice sessions?
I had a 56 hand roll before the very first seven showed. I’ve had many hour-long rolls and a few hour and thirty-five minute rolls. With Frank playing, I went 30, 33 and 38 rolls back to back to back. Of course that day Frank Scoblete had an 89-hand roll. Even that great roll doesn’t compare to the Captain’s 147-roll hand or 100-roll hand as described in detail on www.goldentouchcraps.com. The History Channel showed me calling my numbers and that was a true account. There are times when I am so “on” that I can call what will land next. I did this six times in a row for a Travel Channel show that Frank wrote but the producer decided not to use that sequence. I am usually a very consistent and quiet shooter but there are times that I get into a zone when I am hot and I can get very loud and flamboyant. Frank says that I scare the younger stick people when I “go crazy.”
How often does a skilled dice controller win?
The number of winning sessions is not as important as whether you are winning money overall. Most hands are not winners for a dice controller, just like most at bats are not hits for good hitters. If you have three winning hands every 10 turns with the dice you will make money. A player who establishes a point and sevens out can only lose his initial bets but those hot rolls can win multiple bets over and over so the good to great rolls will make you a lot of money.
How accurate was the History Channel show (The Dice Dominator) about you?
The show put me in with a dice control team at the beginning of my career and that the classes they taught were actually to get members for their team. Not so. That team bet low stakes and I was never involved with them. Also, most of the players on that team were not really all that skilled so that was inaccurate. Both Frank Scoblete and I discussed the Captain, the man who started all this dice control stuff in the modern casino, and his partner the Arm for several hours with the producer but none of that appeared in the show. However, the show did portray accurately how I am in a casino and the work I put in to the developing of my skill. Frank Scoblete, unfortunately, was portrayed as someone who was a lowlife instead of someone with three master’s degrees who is a real gentleman.
Why are your Golden Touch Craps dice control classes so popular?
It is better to play with an edge than without an edge. We have the best dice controllers teaching our classes. They have all gone through a rigorous training program and they have demonstrated their edge on Smart Craps and in the casinos. The word of mouth spreads and all our classes are sold out by the time we conduct them. We have a ratio of four or five students per teacher in our classes so you are paying for intense and I mean intense personal, hands-on training.
What are the common mistakes dice controllers make?
The first mistake is to overestimate your edge. The second mistake is to bet that overestimated edge, which means you will lose money or win very little money. The third mistake is to not practice. No skilled athlete goes into intense competition without practicing his skill. Pitchers warm up; hitters take batting practice almost every day.
What words of advice do you have for players interested in becoming dice controllers?
First read Frank Scoblete and my book The Golden Touch Dice Control Revolution to see if you really have the discipline and stick-to-the-task attitude. If you are interested in learning the skill from great dice controllers then consider attending the Golden Touch Craps dice control class.
Frank Scoblete rated you as one of the top four dice controllers he ever saw in a past issue of Casino Player. How do you see this?
Well, Frank is the best one I ever saw. Of course, I never saw the Arm or the Captain shoot, although I have talked with the Captain and our throw is modeled on his throw. There are great shooters in our Golden Touch group and our students get to see them shoot the dice when they take our class – that is an eye-opening. The bottom line is, once again, playing with an edge is better than playing without an edge.
SmartGambling.com
Dice control is just as real as counting cards. However, I do believe that it is much harder than people make it out to be and there are perhaps only a few hundred people worldwide who can do it consistently enough to make money. Personally, it seems like a ton of work and would just ruin the fun for me...I play basic strategy BJ and good video poker...that is more than enough to stretch my dollar IMO.
I think you'd have a better chance of becoming a pro Golfer or Billiards player through sheer practice.
I do think a few can do this with dice, just like some guys normally beat par in Golf.
This isn't akin to card counting. It is more of a physical thing, like a magician.
Steven Hawking could I'm sure play BJ very well if he tried, but not Craps.
It's a real pipe dream....and I think the casinos could ban you if they wanted to.
I do think a few can do this with dice, just like some guys normally beat par in Golf.
This isn't akin to card counting. It is more of a physical thing, like a magician.
Steven Hawking could I'm sure play BJ very well if he tried, but not Craps.
It's a real pipe dream....and I think the casinos could ban you if they wanted to.
Craps
To be honest I never heard of Frank Scoblete before today when I decided to research this topic and his name came up in the article I posted by Henry Tamburin. I do know one thing, I have been playing craps since the late 1960s and there is only one way to play "Always play the Pass/Come and take full odds." Dice control is something I have never attempted and know little about.
That aside, I do know you need iron discipline to play Craps and ONLY bet the Pass/Come Line and take full odds behind your numbers at all times. Nothing else on the table including buying or placing numbers is advisable. Not bragging but in my time I was as fearless a Craps player as you will ever find. I used to play at Binion's Horseshoe where they offered ten times odds on pass and come line bets (also on don't pass and come if that is your game).
Laying ten time odds behind 4 or 5 numbers on a roll can add up to a lot of money, so it takes plenty of gamble to be able to do it. Odds behind the number are the only casino bet that a player gets exactly even money on, so the house has no edge on any odds you take on pass or come line bets.
Thus the more you play in odds the lower your overall disadvantage on your Pass/Come line bet becomes in relation to cash invested on the roll goes.
For example the house edge on a Pass/Come line bet is 1.41% and 1.40% on Don't Pass/Come bets.
The house edge on the odds you bet behind a number is zero. So lets say you bet $10 the dice pass and a six shows. You are now able to wager $100 (if you were in Binion's back in the day) at even money that your six will show before a seven does. The odds on a six showing before a seven are 6 to 5 against, which is exactly what the house pays. All tolled you have $110 at risk but only $10 that yields the house a 1.41% advantage. The come lines works the exact same way.
Odds on 4 and 10 Pay 2-1, 5 and 9 pay 3-2 and 6 and 8 pay 6-5 which are true odds on those numbers showing before a seven does in a legitimate game.
I assume if you can roll dice in such a way to reduce a seven from showing every 6 rolls to it showing every 6.5 rolls you will obviously change all of the traditional odds of the game in your favor.
I have ran into hands where I have won as much as $25K or more in my day just by playing the way I described above. My one weakness is I over Toke the dealers, a habit I picked up working for tokes aka Tips for twenty years as a bartender. Winners should tip dealers but you can over do it in the heat of battle.
I lived in Vegas for twelve years back in the late 70s until early 1990 and know a lot of things have changed there now including certain Craps rules such as paying 5% commissions on place/buy bets only on losers. So I can't speak to how some of these changes have effected the game.
The best advice I can give anyone learning to play a casino game is learn the odds on every bet available to you in the game you are playing and only play the wagers that give the house the lowest vig per play.
Learn to play your game the hardest way it can be played and your bankroll will last longer at least. In the end any game that has a negative yield for the player is going to beat you in the long run. So only gamble for recreation and never gamble with money you cannot afford to lose.
I am lucky, I have been able to take or leave gambling my whole life. Sure I like to play but you will never catch me trying to win my rent money playing craps or any other game I don't have an edge playing or handicapping. Recreational gambling is fine if you can afford it, betting money you can't afford to lose is another thing entirely and a long way from recreational.
wil.
To be honest I never heard of Frank Scoblete before today when I decided to research this topic and his name came up in the article I posted by Henry Tamburin. I do know one thing, I have been playing craps since the late 1960s and there is only one way to play "Always play the Pass/Come and take full odds." Dice control is something I have never attempted and know little about.
That aside, I do know you need iron discipline to play Craps and ONLY bet the Pass/Come Line and take full odds behind your numbers at all times. Nothing else on the table including buying or placing numbers is advisable. Not bragging but in my time I was as fearless a Craps player as you will ever find. I used to play at Binion's Horseshoe where they offered ten times odds on pass and come line bets (also on don't pass and come if that is your game).
Laying ten time odds behind 4 or 5 numbers on a roll can add up to a lot of money, so it takes plenty of gamble to be able to do it. Odds behind the number are the only casino bet that a player gets exactly even money on, so the house has no edge on any odds you take on pass or come line bets.
Thus the more you play in odds the lower your overall disadvantage on your Pass/Come line bet becomes in relation to cash invested on the roll goes.
For example the house edge on a Pass/Come line bet is 1.41% and 1.40% on Don't Pass/Come bets.
The house edge on the odds you bet behind a number is zero. So lets say you bet $10 the dice pass and a six shows. You are now able to wager $100 (if you were in Binion's back in the day) at even money that your six will show before a seven does. The odds on a six showing before a seven are 6 to 5 against, which is exactly what the house pays. All tolled you have $110 at risk but only $10 that yields the house a 1.41% advantage. The come lines works the exact same way.
Odds on 4 and 10 Pay 2-1, 5 and 9 pay 3-2 and 6 and 8 pay 6-5 which are true odds on those numbers showing before a seven does in a legitimate game.
I assume if you can roll dice in such a way to reduce a seven from showing every 6 rolls to it showing every 6.5 rolls you will obviously change all of the traditional odds of the game in your favor.
I have ran into hands where I have won as much as $25K or more in my day just by playing the way I described above. My one weakness is I over Toke the dealers, a habit I picked up working for tokes aka Tips for twenty years as a bartender. Winners should tip dealers but you can over do it in the heat of battle.
I lived in Vegas for twelve years back in the late 70s until early 1990 and know a lot of things have changed there now including certain Craps rules such as paying 5% commissions on place/buy bets only on losers. So I can't speak to how some of these changes have effected the game.
The best advice I can give anyone learning to play a casino game is learn the odds on every bet available to you in the game you are playing and only play the wagers that give the house the lowest vig per play.
Learn to play your game the hardest way it can be played and your bankroll will last longer at least. In the end any game that has a negative yield for the player is going to beat you in the long run. So only gamble for recreation and never gamble with money you cannot afford to lose.
I am lucky, I have been able to take or leave gambling my whole life. Sure I like to play but you will never catch me trying to win my rent money playing craps or any other game I don't have an edge playing or handicapping. Recreational gambling is fine if you can afford it, betting money you can't afford to lose is another thing entirely and a long way from recreational.
wil.
My last trip to Las Vegas Bill's has a craps table where you play your money electronically.
Players still roll the dice but you are dialing your bets on to a screen.
You never realize how much you actually have out there till this screen states what you have in play.
It is a feast or famine game.
Players still roll the dice but you are dialing your bets on to a screen.
You never realize how much you actually have out there till this screen states what you have in play.
It is a feast or famine game.
merge the threads on this... check out thewizardofodds has he was a skeptic i believe, but has come around a bit after running through a fairly lengthy test.
i still had the link bookmarked: http://wizardofodds.com/craps/appendix3.html
..although not as conclusive as i remember
i still had the link bookmarked: http://wizardofodds.com/craps/appendix3.html
..although not as conclusive as i remember
There are definitely people who can control dice well enough to have an advantage. The goal is to get a 7 ever 6.5 or every 5.5 times instead of every 6 times. No one is good enough to hit specific numbers, but a good number of people through practice can get an edge.
It's painful, tedious, and not for me.
It's painful, tedious, and not for me.
