This whole moving violation/traffic court crap is a scam!!!

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I got into a single vehicle car accident back in March. Basically what happened is I was on my way to work one morning and I lost control of my Tahoe on the curvy business street in front of my building and knicked the curb with my tire which made me hit a tree. The accident happened at like 5:00am and there was not a single car in sight. So when the police came down to fill out an accident report they issued me a bullshit ticket for "unsafe turn or lane change". Then two days later the same officer called me two days later to ask even further questions regarding my accident like what lane I was in and stuff. I thought to myself if she has questions still two days later then she never should have issued me a moving violation on the spot.

I decided to fight the ticket because I wasn't driving recklessly or unsafe. It was a simple car accident. Besides how can the officer issue me a ticket without actually being a witness to the moving violation or having another drivers input on my driving.

So I schedule an appointment to see the judge. Which in California in order to do so you need to pay for the ticket prior to seeing the judge. Right there I had a feeling something fishy was up because once the courts have my money in their account why would they give it back to me. Then the courts set aside one designated day a week to see the judge which happens to be ONLY on Thursdays at 1:30pm. I thought to myself how accomodating for the officers to only have to worry about appearing in court one day of the week and only in the afternoon.

So here comes judgment day which was yesterday. Probably about 40 people on the court docket for the day and it just so happens that I was pretty close to last to be called up to speak my case. I would like to mention that EVERYONE and I mean EVERYONE who appeared in front of the judge before me lost their respective cases. I knew it wasn't looking good. So the officer that issued me the ticket pleaded her case first. She first started stating her credentials to the judge about being an officer for 18 years and shit. Then she pleaded her case. I followed up and asked her if she was so confident that I committed a moving violation even without witnessing then why did she call me two days later still asking for details on the events leading up to the accident? Of course like the others before the judge didn't want to hear shit I had to say and just gave the bitch the victory. I have never had an at fault accident nor a moving violation in 18 years of driving but he didn't give a fuck.

As me and the officer walked out of the courtroom I respectively gave her a piece of my mind and told her this whole fuckin process is a scam to milk money out of tax payers. I said I get the feeling that the judge will NEVER go against the officer as long as they show the courtesy of showing up in court. They don't want to make the officer look bad especially if the officer took the time out of their schedule to attend court. The whole process is appeasing for the officers. I even gave an example about how one of the people fighting their ticket before me was trying to get traffic school but the judge said he wanted to see a print out of his driving history and found out that he beat a speeding ticket in the past because the officer failed to show up. He used that dismissed ticket as a reason to not grant him traffic school. I thought total bullshit. I said this whole scam they have going on allows the judge to sit in his comfy chair and earn a paycheck by ordering us to pay fines. She said that traffic court doesn't pay her officer salary. I told her I know my taxes pay her salary. I told her this guy isn't even a good judge because if he was deemed a good judge then he would be handling criminal or civil cases and not some bullshit "he didn't yield" cases. The worse and most incompetent judges are the ones who get stuck on those no frills traffic offense cases. I told her I will never show respect for a traffic court judge because it isn't a legitimate appeals process because even with no evidence or witnesses against the defendant they still lose. I was all like who the fuck is this guy to judge me on my driving skills when he probably has a couple DUI's and running some red lights himself.

Then after I was done venting with the officer about the unfair traffic school trials. I ran into the judge outside of the courtroom on my way to to the restroom and asked him if he atleast one person win their case or was it a complete sweep for the officers today? One guy in the lobby who was in the courtroom heard me and said loud enough for both me and the judge to hear that he knew I was going to lose the second the officer said she has been doing this for 18 years. I said I know and I told the judge you guys are crooked. I said the real people that commit moving violations like busting through red lights, and speeding and driving without a license and without insurance can't afford to pay their fines so they recover that lost money by issuing bullshit tickets to people like me.


The lesson I learned is the next time I get into an accident I will plead the 5th when the officers try to write an accident report. I will just tell them you figure out what happened yourself. You tell me how fast I was driving and shit. In the event that I get another ticket I won't even waste my time fighting it cause it is a no win battle. Shit i might even go as far and ask to see the judge and just bitch in front of the court how crooked they are and take the fine for being in contempt.
 

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Let me play devil's advocate for a moment: You admitted to losing control of your car. There was no mechanical cause for losing control -- no broken steering wheel, no stuck gas pedal, etc. -- just driver error. By your post you indicate the sole reason for the accident was your driving. Do you truly feel you were not at fault for unsafe driving?

If there were no external causes -- no mechanical problems, no other cars involved -- the evidence is very, very strong that there was unsafe driving. I really can't think of a situation where a driver could win the case that there wasn't.
 

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The lesson I learned is the next time I get into an accident I will plead the 5th when the officers try to write an accident report.

And therein is the Entire Lesson Learned

It is NEVER to your advantage to answer any questions from police unless you yourself have called them to a scene and are the complaintant.

Not to be trite, but in fact - "Anything you say can be used against you in a court of law".

Self-incrimination - even for something as seemingly mundane as a low-damage vehicular accident involving only your own vehicle - is absolutely never a good idea.

Unless you yourself have called the police to a scene and are a complaintant (for whatever cause), your best option is always invoke your right to silence.
 

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so what do you do. Hit a tree, officer shows up, says "What happen?"

you say, dunno, you figure it out! lol
 

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I'd a said a deer, or squirrel jumped in the road, startled me and out of reflex i swearved, hit the curb, then the tree.
 

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Let me play devil's advocate for a moment: You admitted to losing control of your car. There was no mechanical cause for losing control -- no broken steering wheel, no stuck gas pedal, etc. -- just driver error. By your post you indicate the sole reason for the accident was your driving. Do you truly feel you were not at fault for unsafe driving?

If there were no external causes -- no mechanical problems, no other cars involved -- the evidence is very, very strong that there was unsafe driving. I really can't think of a situation where a driver could win the case that there wasn't.

I did mention to the officer at the scene and also tried to explain to the judge the reason for my losing control of the vehicle. Just weeks prior to the accident I had put brand new tires on my vehicle and paid for an alignment. The tire company out sources the alignment to another company. Well when I picked up my vehicle I noticed the steering was veering towards the right. This caused me to overcompensate on turning roads. I felt this issue caused me to lose control of my vehicle on the sharp turning road at the legal speed limit I was going.

Regardless I felt issuing me the ticket for something as steering into the curb by accident was a little redundant since just by being at fault in an accident causes a point against your license. I mean come on how many people have ridden up a curb when turning into a parking lot driveway or hut that little island curb that separates parking spaces with their front bumper. If I deserved to be convicted on a moving violation for my accident then I feel that every time an automotive accident does occur at least one driver should be handed a citation since the common denominator in all auto accidents is somebody violated there space on the road. So the next time you merge into another lane and you think the coast is clear because you checked and end up hitting another vehicle because they were in your blindspot a ticket needs to be issued.

If I was speeding or running a red light or something like that in which by breaking the laws of the road caused my accident I could accept it. Fuck in the same city 7 years earlier I was on the freeway on ramp where the meter was on and stopped waiting for the light to turn green when some chick rammed her PT Cruiser right into the back of my car because shew failed to stop or attempt to stop at the meter. She wasn't issued a moving violation for failure to stop or not paying attention or unsafe driving. If I was texting or on my cell phone or something and it caused me to hit the curb then give me a ticket.

I feel like I got punked by the whole process because I wasn't doing anything reckless to get in the car accident just lost control of the steering. Driving unsafe is something you do on purpose NOT out of accident. Just like chopping vegetables with a knife ifyou cut your finger it is by accident. If you cut your finger because you were chopping vegetables while watching TV then you were being unsafe.

I swear being in the courtroom felt like playing the games at the carnival. They want you to believe that you have a chance of winning but in reality it is a trap in order to raise funds and proceeds.
 

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so what do you do. Hit a tree, officer shows up, says "What happen?"

you say, dunno, you figure it out! lol

It's absolutely to your legal advantage to respond to any questions from the police officer with, "I have nothing to say without counsel from an attorney".

You and I are under absolutely no obligation to respond to ANY questions from police officers in any circumstances, save for identifying ourselves upon request. And that identification can be simply verbal.

In the event a motor vehicle is involved, you are legally obligated to show the police (upon request) a copy of your driver's license and in most states some evidence of having automobile liability insurance.

But other than that, you are free to remain completely silent. As noted in my original post above, there are far too many ways you can harm yourself legally if you elect to answer questions from a police officer.
 

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I'd a said a deer, or squirrel jumped in the road, startled me and out of reflex i swearved, hit the curb, then the tree.

While lying is certainly also an option, silence is much more to your advantage.
 

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In Florida if the officer didn't see the accident they can't testify. I have one of these BS tickets coming up in a few weeks and I will win.
 

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You hit a curb and then a tree...you're at fault. If your steering was a problem because of your tires then surely you would've fixed it as you were a danger to yourself and others on the road.

Not to mention, verbally jumping on a cop and judge in the lobby of a courthouse is bush league. Take your skirt off.

"I mean come on how many people have ridden up a curb when turning into a parking lot driveway or hut that little island curb that separates parking spaces with their front bumper."

Comparing yourself to others is not going to help anyone.
 

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Years ago, I crashed in Ohio - hydroplaned in a downpour. It was 3AM. Had a buddy pick me up. (Figured if I stood there someone else could hydroplane into me). Ended up leaving the car which the cops towed.

They wanted to charge me with all sorts of shit - failure to control, unwitnessed DUI (whatever the hell that is - evidently any left car in Ohio at night can be a dui), leaving the scene of an accident, etc...

I got an attorney who requested a jury trial. Everything got dropped for some $140 fine - not calling police from an accident. The attorney said we could have said I wasn't even there (valet parked) and was 100% confident with no police witness or police report that I'd win, but I chose to pay the $140 over lying in court.

The whole thing is a fucking scam. There is no reason why if you damage your car you should have to pay a city or state government... If I drop a glass in my kitchen, should I pay $140 for not controlling it? Fucking assholes!
 

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In Florida if the officer didn't see the accident they can't testify. I have one of these BS tickets coming up in a few weeks and I will win.

Well, if the other person involved in the accident shows up to court it's between those involved to testify. The judge will determine whose at fault and if he picks you those tickets are staying.
 

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