Why didnt the giants win 9-7?

zeketaylor · Aug 12, 2010

andxre torres hit a single over the head of the cf with bases loaded, it bounced over the wall......why isnt this a ground rule double?

its the only play other than a HR that has a standard amount of bases applied to it.....does the fielder have to stick his arms in the air to ask for it?

always wondered if a runline could cover on a home team this way...i guess i got my answer...i had the cubs off a live bet, so i lose regardless...but why didnt it end 9-7?

jcubs55 · Aug 12, 2010

I've always wondered this as well... interesting

zeketaylor · Aug 12, 2010

In baseball, a ground rule double is an award of two bases from the time of pitch to all baserunners including the batter-runner. The award as described in Major League Baseball (MLB) rules 6.09(e) through 6.09(h) results from a fair ball leaving the playing field in circumstances that do not merit a home run. Some writers use the terms book rule double and automatic double to describe two-base awards that result from league-wide rules as opposed to from ground rules, although only the term "ground rule double" appears in the official MLB rulebook.
Most commonly, a ground rule double results from a batted ball bouncing from fair territory over a wall and landing out of play. MLB rules also award a double when a batted ball goes through or under a fence or through or sticking in shrubbery or vines on the fence. Specific rules also govern when fair fly balls are deflected into the stands by a fielder: for example, a fair fly ball deflected out of play by a fielder from a point within 250 feet of home plate is considered a double. This applied in an unusual play August 3, 2007 when Melky Cabrera of the New York Yankees hit a ball that ricocheted off Kansas City Royals pitcher Ryan Braun's foot and bounced into the stands in foul territory.[1]
When a ground rule double is awarded, any baserunners ahead of the batter are entitled to advance two bases from their positions at the time of pitch but may not advance any further. This sometimes denies a team a run since a runner starting from first base must stop at third base. It can also be an advantage as a runner on second base automatically scores on a ground rule double.
Originally, all batted balls that cleared the fence after a bounce in fair territory or on a fly were counted as home runs. The rule was changed by the American League prior to the 1930 season and was subsequently adopted by the National League on December 12, 1930.

jordan17 · Aug 12, 2010

I feel u!
but glad I took the ML!
was feeling the Value on the RL....

reservoirdog · Aug 12, 2010

Baseball has never been concerned about the margin of defeat, only gamblers.@)

zeketaylor · Aug 12, 2010

reservoirdog said:
Baseball has never been concerned about the margin of defeat, only gamblers.@)

1....my bet was on the cubs...i lost regardless

2. baseball is meticulous about stats......a walk off hr doesnt stop the scoring at 1...why would a ball leaving park via ground rule double?

reservoirdog · Aug 12, 2010

As long as the batter reaches first safe without the 3rd out occuring before the run scores then the game over. The batter gets a double and 1 RBI.

oldmanTED · Aug 12, 2010

zeke taylor

The key here is that the hit must be "ruled" by the umpires to be a "ground rule double". In this particular situation, because the one run determined the outcome of the game, the hit was "ruled" a single by the umpires!

zeketaylor · Aug 12, 2010

i understand this and went to the mlb.com website and checked the specific ground rules for each stadium......

neither of these answers given, satisfy me because

1. it wasnt ruled a double and given 1 rbi......it was ruled a single and the ball bounced over the wall

2. mlb.com states that each individual stadium has its own ground rules specific to park intricasies, IE signs, cameras etc......theres ground rule doubles and then theres another classication called automatic double

http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/official_info/official_rules/batter_6.jsp

6.09
The batter becomes a runner when --
(a) He hits a fair ball;
(b) The third strike called by the umpire is not caught, providing (1) first base is unoccupied, or (2) first base is occupied with two out;
Rule 6.09(b) Comment: A batter who does not realize his situation on a third strike not caught, and who is not in the process of running to first base, shall be declared out once he leaves the dirt circle surrounding home plate.
(c) A fair ball, after having passed a fielder other than the pitcher, or after having been touched by a fielder, including the pitcher, shall touch an umpire or runner on fair territory;
(d) A fair ball passes over a fence or into the stands at a distance from home base of 250 feet or more. Such hit entitles the batter to a home run when he shall have touched all bases legally. A fair fly ball that passes out of the playing field at a point less than 250 feet from home base shall entitle the batter to advance to second base only;
(e) A fair ball, after touching the ground, bounds into the stands, or passes through, over or under a fence, or through or under a scoreboard, or through or under shrubbery, or vines on the fence, in which case the batter and the runners shall be entitled to advance two bases;
(f) Any fair ball which, either before or after touching the ground, passes through or under a fence, or through or under a scoreboard, or through any opening in the fence or scoreboard, or through or under shrubbery, or vines on the fence, or which sticks in a fence or scoreboard, in which case the batter and the runners shall be entitled to two bases;
(g) Any bounding fair ball is deflected by the fielder into the stands, or over or under a fence on fair or foul territory, in which case the batter and all runners shall be entitled to advance two bases;
(h) Any fair fly ball is deflected by the fielder into the stands, or over the fence into foul territory, in which case the batter shall be entitled to advance to second base; but if deflected into the stands or over the fence in fair territory, the batter shall be entitled to a home run. However, should such a fair fly be deflected at a point less than 250 feet from home plate, the batter shall be entitled to two bases only.

please remember, im not a scorned bettor looking to get my wager graded differently......i had the cubs via a live bet to win the game........im just pretty close to 100% sure im right thast this was determined incorrectly by the umpires........and its so rare, that baseball is not carried out to the letter of the law....that and i always thought i could win a rl bet this way if iw as on the home favorite.......just never saw it happen

RenoChazz · Aug 13, 2010

I depends on which side there is more action. LOL

YourAllAmerican · Aug 13, 2010

I believe the only exception to the game-ending rule is for home runs. Technically there's no such thing as a "game-winning ground-rule double," since in this particular case the batter can only be credited with a single.

MLB Rule 4.11
The score of a regulation game is the total number of runs scored by each team at the moment the game ends.
(a) The game ends when the visiting team completes its half of the ninth inning if the home team is ahead.
(b) The game ends when the ninth inning is completed, if the visiting team is ahead.
(c) If the home team scores the winning run in its half of the ninth inning (or its half of an extra inning after a tie), the game ends immediately when the winning run is scored. EXCEPTION: If the last batter in a game hits a home run out of the playing field, the batter-runner and all runners on base are permitted to score, in accordance with the base-running rules, and the game ends when the batter-runner touches home plate.
APPROVED RULING: The batter hits a home run out of the playing field to win the game in the last half of the ninth or an extra inning, but is called out for passing a preceding runner. The game ends immediately when the winning run is scored.
(d) A called game ends at the moment the umpire terminates play, unless it becomes a suspended game pursuant to Rule 4.12(a).

RenoChazz · Aug 13, 2010

It was the right call IMO

JoeFalls · Aug 13, 2010

what a way & another way to lose.

xyzky · Aug 13, 2010

Hmmm...No bet on the game, but, I was wondering the same thing yesterday.

KASH247 · Aug 13, 2010

just when u think u have seen it all shit like this happens!!! i never understood why....if u bet the over in a mlb game and in the first innings the total has gone over so u won ur bet already,,,that if the game ends short because of rain or what ever so it did not go 9 innings,, there is no action on ur bet even though u already won it ???

Betallsports · Aug 13, 2010

Didn't watch the game... But here's a Question for those that Did.

On the Ground Rule Double Yesterday, did Both Runners "Touch" the Plate ??

Meaning......I'm guessing here, there were two runners when the Hit was made
and only one runner touched Home plate...which in turn, made the Giants win on that one Run. and "IF" the 2nd runner Never bothered to touch Home plate...thus...giving the SF Giants a 8-7 Win

WhassamattaU · Aug 13, 2010

KASH247 said:
i never understood why....if u bet the over in a mlb game and in the first innings the total has gone over so u won ur bet already,,,that if the game ends short because of rain or what ever so it did not go 9 innings,, there is no action on ur bet even though u already won it ???

I hear you, but no way the Under would be awarded in a shortened game. So by default, any Over also gets canceled. It's only fair.

Mobdeeper7239 · Aug 13, 2010

unless the park has its own rules...Zeke's 100% right. If a homerun automatically advances all the runners...a groundrule double automatically advances the runner on 2nd and 3rd and the runner on 1st is on 3rd and Torres...who hit it, would obviously be on 2nd...if this shit happened in any other inning..it would have been 2 runs..so it should have been corrected, imo....MLB honestly doesn't care about the final scores. no bets on Giants RL's for me ever anyway, they always win by 1

WhassamattaU · Aug 13, 2010

But like OMT said, it wasn't "ruled" a double. It was scored a single. Plus I don't think any fans touched the ball...it just hit right above the padding, but still on the wall, and stayed fair. Not sure that would be ruled a double regardless.

YourAllAmerican · Aug 13, 2010

Betallsports said:
On the Ground Rule Double Yesterday, did Both Runners "Touch" the Plate ??

Doesn't matter if they did or didn't. The game ended as soon as the one winning run crossed the plate.

A ground-rule double was not awarded, by the way. This was one of the rare cases when the hitter got a "ground-rule single."

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