it's hard for me to bet against CC & the Yanks, but I am

Willie99 · Oct 15, 2010

I like the way Wilson is pitching, and the way he pitched against the Rays. CC was great last year in post season, but not so good the rest of his career. I think he probably pitches OK, but not lights out and not too deep either.

The Rangers are solid at home, I don't think they roll over and die like the Twinkies

I like their brashness and confidence. Of course, I like their lineup.

The Yankees could beat the Twins sleepwalking, and they did. For them to win tonight, they have to play better.

PS: they may just do that to

anyhow, playing Texas +132

GLTA :toast:

oceanguy · Oct 15, 2010

with you on this...BOL Willie:toast:

Willie99 · Oct 15, 2010

thank you

I just can't cheer to obviously around my wife and kids. All Yankee fans

hiLIFE · Oct 15, 2010

lol...bol 99

NyMets609 · Oct 15, 2010

I like Rangers too but Wilsons control is such a problem. 90 something walks in 200 innings.

that kind of stuff will KILL against teams like the Yanks.

Kabbagecough · Oct 16, 2010

CC gets bailed out from another loss.

Willie99 · Oct 16, 2010

Kabbagecough said:
CC gets bailed out from another loss.

Wilson pitched great and CC gets knocked out early. I called the game and lost. Can't cap 5 run late inning choke jobs

oh well, it'll happen again I'm sure

Dafinch · Oct 16, 2010

Willie99 said:
Wilson pitched great and CC gets knocked out early. I called the game and lost. Can't cap 5 run late inning choke jobs

oh well, it'll happen again I'm sure

It's amazing how many times Fat Boy and Petitty get knocked out and are on the hook for the loss, but don't end up losing, but so many people babble about how great they are. It was also amazing how every single reliever that came in for Texas was ineffective, and, although he gave up no hits, the most annoying one to me was Oliver. I don't understand how he's lasted in the majors for so long, he's seemingly never been particularly effective, and the only thing worse than a reliever who comes in and can't throw strikes, is one who does so throwing slop. I didn't notice Oliver throw even one fast ball in his two batters, just curves and change ups, few of which were strikes.

LENBO · Oct 16, 2010

Dafinch said:
It's amazing how many times Fat Boy and Petitty get knocked out and are on the hook for the loss, but don't end up losing, but so many people babble about how great they are. It was also amazing how every single reliever that came in for Texas was ineffective, and, although he gave up no hits, the most annoying one to me was Oliver. I don't understand how he's lasted in the majors for so long, he's seemingly never been particularly effective, and the only thing worse than a reliever who comes in and can't throw strikes, is one who does so throwing slop. I didn't notice Oliver throw even one fast ball in his two batters, just curves and change ups, few of which were strikes.

Your first sentence makes no sense . 32 -10 combined record with a combined ERA in the low 3s. Hard to get bailed out of a lot of losses with those numbers.

Maybe the reason the Texas relievers were ineffective was they might not be able to handle the pressure of the playoffs.

Dafinch · Oct 17, 2010

LENBO said:
Your first sentence makes no sense . 32 -10 combined record with a combined ERA in the low 3s. Hard to get bailed out of a lot of losses with those numbers.

Maybe the reason the Texas relievers were ineffective was they might not be able to handle the pressure of the playoffs.

You seem to be quoting this year, when I was talking about the last several years in general. For years Fat Boy was no bargain in the playoffs, then did fairly well in last year's playoffs-until he got shelled in the first game of the World Series. I can't say I'm impressed by his first two outings in THIS year's playoffs, either, and he could easily be 0-2 in those two games, which was part of my point. Pettite-who, on more than one occasion, has led the league in run support-is often cited as the winningest pitcher in playoff history at 19-9 record but his ERA is nearly 4, which is ok but far from being a shut down pitcher that many people make him out to be. His two wins in last year's World Series, by scores of 8-5 and 7-3, are typical. We'll see how the winningest pitcher in playoff history fares, at home against Lee, won't we?

Dafinch · Oct 19, 2010

LENBO said:
Your first sentence makes no sense . 32 -10 combined record with a combined ERA in the low 3s. Hard to get bailed out of a lot of losses with those numbers.

Maybe the reason the Texas relievers were ineffective was they might not be able to handle the pressure of the playoffs.

Pettite wasn't quite so formidable when he's not getting a boatload of runs, is he (although, in fairness, you can't be but so effective when your team doesn't score)? Ironically, he lowered his post season ERA with tonight's loss. Now, like I already said, Giradi has the unpleasant choice between Always Jumpy on normal rest, or an increasingly ineffective Fat Boy on short. Yankees better bring it tomorrow, although they'll be looking at their 9th embarrassing playoff result in 10 years.

LENBO · Oct 19, 2010

Dafinch said:
Pettite wasn't quite so formidable when he's not getting a boatload of runs, is he (although, in fairness, you can't be but so effective when your team doesn't score)? Ironically, he lowered his post season ERA with tonight's loss. Now, like I already said, Giradi has the unpleasant choice between Always Jumpy on normal rest, or an increasingly ineffective Fat Boy on short. Yankees better bring it tomorrow, although they'll be looking at their 9th embarrassing playoff result in 10 years.

Over rated I guess.

If they come back to win in the ninth would it have been another one of those games he was let off the hook for a loss?

REGULAR SEASON
16 Seasons240 138 .635 3.88

PLAYOFFS
13 Seasons (30 Series)19 10 .655 3.83

Dafinch · Oct 19, 2010

LENBO said:
Over rated I guess.

If they come back to win in the ninth would it have been another one of those games he was let off the hook for a loss?

REGULAR SEASON
16 Seasons240 138 .635 3.88

PLAYOFFS
13 Seasons (30 Series)19 10 .655 3.83

Is that a serious question? The score when the Yankees came up to bat was 8-0, I think you can figure that out...

LENBO · Oct 19, 2010

Dafinch said:
Is that a serious question? The score when the Yankees came up to bat was 8-0, I think you can figure that out...

I don't care what the score was. It's not like he let up all 8 . He pitched two run ball over 7 innings. To me he would have pitched well enough to win, not bailed out of a loss.

Dafinch · Oct 20, 2010

LENBO said:
I don't care what the score was. It's not like he let up all 8 . He pitched two run ball over 7 innings. To me he would have pitched well enough to win, not bailed out of a loss.

First of all, YOU said "If they come back to win in the ninth" and the score in the 9th was 8-0, so that was an incredibly stupid comment. Secondly, YOU may not care what the score was, but I can assure the people who keep score cared-and Pettite was outpitched, being down two runs to Lee these days is like being down 4 runs against almost anybody else. People were acting like Lee shouldn't be favored, and my point was that, if anything, he wasn't favored enough, and so it came to pass. Deal with it.

LENBO · Oct 20, 2010

Dafinch said:
First of all, YOU said "If they come back to win in the ninth" and the score in the 9th was 8-0, so that was an incredibly stupid comment. Secondly, YOU may not care what the score was, but I can assure the people who keep score cared-and Pettite was outpitched, being down two runs to Lee these days is like being down 4 runs against almost anybody else. People were acting like Lee shouldn't be favored, and my point was that, if anything, he wasn't favored enough, and so it came to pass. Deal with it.

How many of those eight runs did he let up ?? Must have been his fault they lost.

Dafinch · Oct 20, 2010

LENBO said:
How many of those eight runs did he let up ?? Must have been his fault they lost.

Well, since he gave up two earned runs and the Yankees didn't score any, then, yes, it WAS his fault they lost. That's why they gave him the loss. You can quote 14 year old Pettite stats all you want, but the bottom line is, at this moment, Lee is a much better pitcher than Pettite, PERIOD. And you're still running away from the fact that you made a fool of yourself by asking if the Yanks had come back from an 8 run deficit would that have meant that Pettite "got off the hook" for the loss.

LENBO · Oct 20, 2010

Dafinch said:
Well, since he gave up two earned runs and the Yankees didn't score any, then, yes, it WAS his fault they lost. That's why they gave him the loss. You can quote 14 year old Pettite stats all you want, but the bottom line is, at this moment, Lee is a much better pitcher than Pettite, PERIOD. And you're still running away from the fact that you made a fool of yourself by asking if the Yanks had come back from an 8 run deficit would that have meant that Pettite "got off the hook" for the loss.

No fool . When you pitch 2 run ball over 7 innings and your team scores none , it's not your fault your team lost.

Dafinch · Oct 21, 2010

LENBO said:
No fool . When you pitch 2 run ball over 7 innings and your team scores none , it's not your fault your team lost.

You've shown yourself to a moron on many occasions. Throw another log onto the fire in that respect. It doesn't matter if a pitcher pitches nine innings and loses 1-0, he pitched well, but not well enough, and it's at least partly his fault that they lost. And you're still running away from the fact that you made a fool of yourself by asking if the Yanks had come back from an 8 run deficit would that have meant that Pettite "got off the hook" for the loss.

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