Analyze this hand for me....

ProPokerPlayer · Oct 17, 2010

PokerStars Game #51264488449: Tournament #335020010, $200+$15 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level XIII (1000/2000) - 2010/10/17 19:13:29 CT [2010/10/17 20:13:29 ET]
Seat 6: JOKuERis (129719 in chips)
Dealt to allynlong [Ac Ah]
allynlong: raises 4000 to 6000
73REX73: folds
JOKuERis: raises 8000 to 14000
I_M_ICM: folds
TomK39: folds
VUK DJ: folds
PitchPerfeKt: folds
The Doc: folds
pasztor13: folds
allynlong: raises 14000 to 28000
JOKuERis: raises 101519 to 129519 and is all-in
allynlong: calls 42877 and is all-in
Uncalled bet (58642) returned to JOKuERis
*** FLOP *** [Ks 9c 3c]
*** TURN *** [Ks 9c 3c] [6s]
*** RIVER *** [Ks 9c 3c 6s] [4d]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
allynlong: shows [Ac Ah] (a pair of Aces)
JOKuERis: shows [Kd Kc] (three of a kind, Kings)
JOKuERis collected 146554 from pot
[Kd Kc] and won (146554) with three of a kind, Kings

You have 3 choices.....1. RIGGED 2. RIGGED 3. RIGGED

By the way this was about 100 before the money in the sunday million today...

seanm0520 · Oct 17, 2010

outside of hating your min-raise there is nothing to analyze, lol

I just hate min-raising, fyi

ProPokerPlayer · Oct 17, 2010

Nobody with a hand was going to call the min raise....they were going to reraise or fold. Although only about the 10th hand i played this was like 3.5 hours into the tourny, i knew the players, i knew there were at least 3 good candidates to reraise or shove my min raise with air because they were pushing people around every hand....especially if u showed weaknesss....such as min raising

Once he 3 bet me i wanted my 4 bet to make me pot committed so he would shove with the AK i was putting him on.....

Your right there is nothing to analyze...i played it perfect but it was setup from jump street to put me out before we reached the money...

seanm0520 · Oct 18, 2010

disregard my comment then with such a read, lol

Tough break bud. I might start posting hands to analyze in here, though. Trying to get back into online, heavy.

pocketrockets · Oct 20, 2010

nothing to analyze really, both played the hands pretty much in a standard straight forward way.... u got very unlucky, jokerstars.inc

OJS#32buff · Oct 20, 2010

Seeing you"ve played in over 2000 tournaments you should have seen this happen many times. It's just a bad beat 2 outer

dauis · Oct 20, 2010

Funny that another "OMG Stars iz rigged but I still give them my monies" thread is disguised as a request to analyze your play. Either stop playing on there or keep playing and realize that these things happened and it's not rigged. For a "pro" you sure seem to have a lot of tilt issues.

billhill999 · Oct 20, 2010

seanm0520 said:
outside of hating your min-raise there is nothing to analyze, lol

I just hate min-raising, fyi

Exactly, 4000 to 6000?
WTF is that?
AA warrants a 3.5x BB raise.
4000 to 13,500 minimum was the play, get him off his hand dude, that mini raise will not get it done.

theDude24 · Oct 20, 2010

billhill999 said:
Exactly, 4000 to 6000?
WTF is that?
AA warrants a 3.5x BB raise.
4000 to 13,500 minimum was the play, get him off his hand dude, that mini raise will not get it done.

This is a joke right billhill?
3.5X with AA is dumb
Thinking 3.5X will get KK off his hand, even dummer.

AA vs KK - 80%, you will lose 20% of the time.
As they said, you play a ton of tournies so you should know your 80% hands lose - just sucks that it was deep in the million.

shit happens - i lose 10-10 to AJ all in on a flop of 10-6-3
came K, Q
this was with 250 left in the million.

only reason these beats sucks is because you were deep... keep playing volume and you will win if you play solid.

ProPokerPlayer · Oct 21, 2010

So ive heard.....

herts9 · Oct 21, 2010

the only play i don't like is his all in move on you. if you're popping it that much with your re-raise, he knows you're sitting with AA or AK. i'd call your re-raise with KK but not move all in with it. if an A hits, i'd scale back. if a K hits the flop, well,...that's the way it goes. the only other hand he could have is 9's, but unless he's dutch, he wouldn't play it. but no way is he every going to fold KK preflop unless you're playing with hellmuth.

8ate · Oct 23, 2010

aa vs kk..>>

4 TO 1 FAV

Is that unthinkable; shove 5 times with AA vs KK; you're gonna lose 1

that's the game

jmho

gl

ProPokerPlayer · Oct 23, 2010

No i understand i want AA everyhand. just this month at Stars ive had AA 23 times........I won 18 , got no action on 2 and lost only 3 times. Pretty good id say......

1 small problem....all the wins only 4 were more than 10 bbs and the biggest win was at the 30/15 blind level.
The 3 losses were for -27,-35.5 and -38.5 BB's and all came at the 2000/1000 level or higher........the 3 hands i lost to were KK,KK and KQ.

My theory on rigging has evolved over the years. I now think they are just like a sportsbook or even a blackjack table at a live casino.....You give a lot of Action u get a lot of Action. I see a guy win 9K in a tourny, i look him up on OPR and he entered like 15 tournys that day and 10 the day before, that 9K barely puts him ahead for the week...
I play 1, 2 or 3 tournys a day tops ......i give them crumbs for action and in return i get crumbs for payouts....

ProPokerPlayer · Oct 23, 2010

For crumbs.....

PokerStars Game #51550408030: Tournament #321312010, $20+$2 USD 8-Game (Hold'em No Limit) - Level XV (30/60) - 2010/10/23 13:25:02 CT [2010/10/23 14:25:02 ET]
Table '321312010 3' 6-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: LiMcologne (1586 in chips)
Seat 2: allynlong (2517 in chips)
Seat 3: slippery2 (1598 in chips) is sitting out
Seat 4: TrueFireCat (4800 in chips)
Seat 6: jayemess (2325 in chips)
allynlong: posts the ante 10
slippery2: posts the ante 10
TrueFireCat: posts the ante 10
jayemess: posts the ante 10
LiMcologne: posts the ante 10
allynlong: posts small blind 30
slippery2: posts big blind 60
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to allynlong [Ad As]
TrueFireCat: raises 120 to 180
jayemess: folds
LiMcologne: folds
slippery2 has returned
allynlong: raises 2327 to 2507 and is all-in
slippery2: folds
TrueFireCat: calls 2327
*** FLOP *** [8c 8h Tc]
*** TURN *** [8c 8h Tc] [6c]
*** RIVER *** [8c 8h Tc 6c] [5s]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
allynlong: shows [Ad As] (two pair, Aces and Eights)
TrueFireCat: shows [Kd Kh] (two pair, Kings and Eights)
allynlong collected 5124 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 5124 | Rake 0
Board [8c 8h Tc 6c 5s]
Seat 1: LiMcologne (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: allynlong (small blind) showed [Ad As] and won (5124) with two pair, Aces and Eights
Seat 3: slippery2 (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 4: TrueFireCat showed [Kd Kh] and lost with two pair, Kings and Eights

ProPokerPlayer · Oct 23, 2010

Its called crumbs my friends.....crumbs. 3 left in the tourny. The guy who won the hand has 2 WCOOP Final Tables................Ive got.....crumbs

PokerStars Game #51556142899: Tournament #321312010, $20+$2 USD 8-Game (Omaha Pot Limit) - Level XXXII (200/400) - 2010/10/23 15:15:55 CT [2010/10/23 16:15:55 ET]
Table '321312010 2' 6-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 3: TrueFireCat (13517 in chips)
Seat 4: allynlong (15275 in chips)
Seat 5: jejune524 (17208 in chips)
TrueFireCat: posts small blind 200
allynlong: posts big blind 400
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to allynlong [9h 4s Jc 2s]
jejune524: calls 400
TrueFireCat: folds
allynlong: checks
*** FLOP *** [Ac 3h 7d]
allynlong: checks
jejune524: bets 1000
allynlong: calls 1000
*** TURN *** [Ac 3h 7d] [5c]
allynlong: checks
jejune524: bets 1600
allynlong: raises 2000 to 3600
jejune524: calls 2000
*** RIVER *** [Ac 3h 7d 5c] [Ah]
allynlong: checks
jejune524: bets 10200
allynlong said, "WELL RIGGED IF U GOT IT"
allynlong: raises 75 to 10275 and is all-in
jejune524: calls 75
*** SHOW DOWN ***
allynlong: shows [9h 4s Jc 2s] (a straight, Ace to Five)
jejune524: shows [Ad 5d 8d 6h] (a full house, Aces full of Fives)
jejune524 collected 30750 from pot
allynlong finished the tournament in 3rd place and received $69.00.
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 30750 | Rake 0
Board [Ac 3h 7d 5c Ah]
Seat 3: TrueFireCat (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 4: allynlong (big blind) showed [9h 4s Jc 2s] and lost with a straight, Ace to Five
Seat 5: jejune524 (button) showed [Ad 5d 8d 6h] and won (30750) with a full house, Aces full of Fives

ProPokerPlayer · Oct 23, 2010

PokerStars Game #51559254695: Tournament #336070100, $10+$1 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level V (75/150) - 2010/10/23 16:18:00 CT [2010/10/23 17:18:00 ET]
Table '336070100 106' 9-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 1: Demian56 (3225 in chips)
Seat 2: Kabason (1425 in chips)
Seat 3: allynlong (3890 in chips)
Seat 4: henkie Matz (4090 in chips)
Seat 5: ANDRONN43 (2360 in chips)
Seat 6: Dikalko10 (4570 in chips)
Seat 7: shanyji (4275 in chips)
Seat 8: titima10 (5050 in chips)
Seat 9: blaacksta (1320 in chips)
Dikalko10: posts small blind 75
shanyji: posts big blind 150
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to allynlong [6d Td]
titima10: folds
blaacksta: folds
Demian56: calls 150
Kabason: folds
allynlong: raises 450 to 600
henkie Matz: folds
ANDRONN43: folds
Dikalko10: folds
shanyji: calls 450
Demian56: folds
*** FLOP *** [6s 3h Tc]
shanyji: bets 3675 and is all-in
allynlong: calls 3290 and is all-in
Uncalled bet (385) returned to shanyji
*** TURN *** [6s 3h Tc] [9d]
*** RIVER *** [6s 3h Tc 9d] [8s]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
shanyji: shows [7s 7h] (a straight, Six to Ten)
allynlong: shows [6d Td] (two pair, Tens and Sixes)
shanyji collected 8005 from pot
allynlong finished the tournament in 954th place

hockey8799 · Oct 29, 2010

Seriously, you have been playing this long and still start up with this bullcrap rigged nonsense....I have friends who play poker and are very good and are the winners. The really good players are winners cause they hand read great and not cause of the game being rigged. if you can't handle the bad beats just quit the game.

born2gamble · Nov 4, 2010

ProPokerPlayer said:
Nobody with a hand was going to call the min raise....they were going to reraise or fold. Although only about the 10th hand i played this was like 3.5 hours into the tourny, i knew the players, i knew there were at least 3 good candidates to reraise or shove my min raise with air because they were pushing people around every hand....especially if u showed weaknesss....such as min raising

Once he 3 bet me i wanted my 4 bet to make me pot committed so he would shove with the AK i was putting him on.....

Your right there is nothing to analyze...i played it perfect but it was setup from jump street to put me out before we reached the money...

You're UTG, and you raise and get 3 bet, and then you mini 4 bet. No one's gonna bluff you in that spot.

born2gamble · Nov 4, 2010

hockey8799 said:
The really good players are winners cause they hand read great and not cause of the game being rigged. if you can't handle the bad beats just quit the game.

This

born2gamble · Nov 4, 2010

herts9 said:
the only play i don't like is his all in move on you. if you're popping it that much with your re-raise, he knows you're sitting with AA or AK. i'd call your re-raise with KK but not move all in with it. if an A hits, i'd scale back. if a K hits the flop, well,...that's the way it goes. the only other hand he could have is 9's, but unless he's dutch, he wouldn't play it. but no way is he every going to fold KK preflop unless you're playing with hellmuth.

This is terrible.