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I know many like myself can't stand see penalties called on these plays, but I believe if changes aren't made soon, a player will be killed eventually. I was suprised D Jax got up as quickly as he did, I thought they were going to bring a hearst for him.
 

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I was suprised D Jax got up as quickly as he did, I thought they were going to bring a hearst for him.
+1, but the hit on DeSean actually looked more like an unfortunate accident to me, where Dunta Robinson didnt hit him with his helmet on purpose, while the hit on Heap actually looked much more like it was done on purpose, launching himself into a defenseless Todd Heap helmet first...was more than surprised to see Heap return into that game after that kind of hit...
 

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The problem I have with this hysteria is that it won't change the actual problem: guys who don't know their names when they are sixty. Eliminating these big hits seems like a nice move, but it won't amount to squat. CTE and PCS It cannot be prevented; that's my contention. I know I sound like some maniac, but what they are trying to stop ... can't; and the collateral damage will ruin football. About three years ago, I got called a troll about 10 times in a thread on a different forum when the QB rules came pouring in. I said "slippery slope" and I was told that was a fallacy.

Why is all of this posturing by the NFL useless? Doctors have found that concussions are cumulative if they happen before the brain can heal, so you can get as much brain damage from a few small hits as from one big hit. This means that its basically impossible to play football properly and not get some brain damage. Its called Chronic Traumatic Encephalopathy (I love typing that last word!) and the symptoms of the damage don't show up until the person is about sixty, and they look pretty much exactly like ALS, which is a terrible disease. CTE is apparently under-diagnosed because the only way to tell if someone has it is to slice open the brain.

Thus, what we have here is the NFL is looking to do some PR and mitigate what is perceived by the public to be a problem. They aren't addressing the far more prevalent danger whatsoever. The concussions aren't even the problem, it's the lifetime effect of all the little hits that are completely legal that turns guys into idiots when they leave the league.

You - and Mike Ditka - know the league couldn't give a flying rat's ass about the players once they depart. They do care about their bottom line, though and that's all this is about. Yeah, seeing players prone and posturing on the ground after getting concussed, but that isn't the problem. The NFL is about put a condom on a blown oil rig and hope all of us fans and talking heads feel accomplished.

And Payton Hillis will still think he is Luke Skywalker when he is 57.
 

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Did you guys see the helmet to helmet shot between lions and giants player? last sunday 10/17 that was some BRUTAL stuff
 

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I totally agree with player safety, and do not object to the new rules, but when you start making rules about the intensity of a hit, what comes next? These guys gonna start coming out to play football on Sunday wrapped up bubble wrap.
 

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i say have the players wear those old leather helmets with no face mask... do you think the leather to leather hits will stop then ?
 

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The problem I have with this hysteria is that it won't change the actual problem: guys who don't know their names when they are sixty. Eliminating these big hits seems like a nice move, but it won't amount to squat. CTE and PCS It cannot be prevented; that's my contention. I know I sound like some maniac, but what they are trying to stop ... can't; and the collateral damage will ruin football. About three years ago, I got called a troll about 10 times in a thread on a different forum when the QB rules came pouring in. I said "slippery slope" and I was told that was a fallacy.

Why is all of this posturing by the NFL useless? Doctors have found that concussions are cumulative if they happen before the brain can heal, so you can get as much brain damage from a few small hits as from one big hit. This means that its basically impossible to play football properly and not get some brain damage. Its called Chronic Traumatic Encephalopathy (I love typing that last word!) and the symptoms of the damage don't show up until the person is about sixty, and they look pretty much exactly like ALS, which is a terrible disease. CTE is apparently under-diagnosed because the only way to tell if someone has it is to slice open the brain.

Thus, what we have here is the NFL is looking to do some PR and mitigate what is perceived by the public to be a problem. They aren't addressing the far more prevalent danger whatsoever. The concussions aren't even the problem, it's the lifetime effect of all the little hits that are completely legal that turns guys into idiots when they leave the league.

You - and Mike Ditka - know the league couldn't give a flying rat's ass about the players once they depart. They do care about their bottom line, though and that's all this is about. Yeah, seeing players prone and posturing on the ground after getting concussed, but that isn't the problem. The NFL is about put a condom on a blown oil rig and hope all of us fans and talking heads feel accomplished.

And Payton Hillis will still think he is Luke Skywalker when he is 57.



Excellent post, spot on.. Your a Doctor or trainor?
 

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i say have the players wear those old leather helmets with no face mask... do you think the leather to leather hits will stop then ?

Probably not, I think it's all about the persona of putting a lick on someone and in effect daring them to catch the ball in front of you again.. I really don't think most of these guys mean to go helmet first, sorta instinct to duck your head and or they just don't think about it cause it comes so fast, just reaction.(just my thought)
 

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, I thought they were going to bring a hearst for him.

Man, I thought the same thing watching it in real time before even seeing the replay. At those speeds and at his size I'm thinking a severe concussion was the best case scenario.
 

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Excellent post, spot on.. Your a Doctor or trainor?

Nope, Holiday Inn.

I do have PCS, though. Or, did. I haven't been back to the doctor's in about seven years and I don't have headaches. Either way, I am a loser and I like to read about stuff like this.
 

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I'm sorry to say, but i'm quite tired of all the hard hit talk. One BAD weekend has everyone over reacting IMO. IT'S FOOTBALL!!! Part of the game.

Every single sports show has spent the majority of the week talking about these hits and changes that need to occur instead of looking ahead to another great weekend of match-ups.
 

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NFL players: What's happening to game?
By BARRY WILNER - AP Pro Football Writer
2010-10-20 14:22

NEW YORK (AP) - NFL players are wondering what's happening to their game.
One day after the league said it will begin suspending players for illegal hits, many players were asking if this still is pro football.
``We're going to be playing flag football in about five years,'' Cowboys linebacker Bradie James said Wednesday.
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Baltimore Ravens star Ray Lewis echoed those thoughts.
``My opinion is play the game like that game is supposed to be played, and whatever happens, happens,'' said Lewis, among the most physical linebackers the game has known. ``If you go into the game thinking about any of that stuff, I'm telling you, the game will be diluted very quickly.''
The NFL imposed huge fines on three players - Pittsburgh's James Harrison, Atlanta's Dunta Robinson and New England's Brandon Meriweather - on Tuesday for dangerous and flagrant hits last weekend and warned that, starting with this week's games, violent conduct will be cause for suspension.
``You look at the James Harrision hit, all these hits, whatever they may be, the bottom line is those are hits that you go into your defensive room and you're getting praised for,'' Lewis added. ``Because that's the way the game of football is supposed to be played.''
Except, according to the rules, when players are launching themselves at defenseless opponents, often leading with their heads even when the direct contact is not made by the helmet. Shoulders and forearms to the head also are illegal, and the league is ratcheting up punishment for offenders.
By doing so, though, is the NFL stripping the game of the inherent violence that makes it America's most popular sport, with soaring television ratings and strong attendance.
``There is still going to be great collisions ... it's still going to be a physical game,'' said Eagles coach Andy Reid, who witnessed firsthand the brutal collision between Robinson and Eagles receiver DeSean Jackson on Sunday that left both players with concussions. ``We just have to eliminate that helmet as a weapon; that son of a gun is pretty hard material right there. If we could just get that out of the picture there on some of the shots, I think that's all the league is asking for.''
Some players think the NFL is asking for something much more difficult: a complete change in playing style. Not surprisingly, defensive players are most critical.
``What they're trying to say - 'We're protecting the integrity' - no, you're not,'' Bears cornerback Charles Tillman said. ``It's ruining the integrity. It's not even football anymore. We should just go out there and play two-hand touch Sunday if we can't make contact.''
 

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All the new rules are ridiculous.

Used to be you could take 2 steps and hit the QB after he threw. Now one.

Used to be you could hit a QB below the waste.

Used to be you could hit a receiver to break up a catch.

Used to be you could celebrate TDs.

Used to be you couldnt intentionally ground by going outside the pocket.

Bring back the old rules.

If the NFL keeps going this way, another league will emerge and over take it.
 

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If the NFL keeps going this way, another league will emerge and over take it.

You better believe it. Vince McMahon is waiting for another go. The "Illegal Hits" would open the door.
 

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I'm sorry to say, but i'm quite tired of all the hard hit talk. One BAD weekend has everyone over reacting IMO. IT'S FOOTBALL!!! Part of the game.

Every single sports show has spent the majority of the week talking about these hits and changes that need to occur instead of looking ahead to another great weekend of match-ups.

But what bad weekend are you talking about? The only illegal hit was the one on Todd Heap. The Robinson hit was legal. Both Harrison hits were legal hits. Next step is to take out a player's knee because you don't want to hit them in the chest region.
 

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But what bad weekend are you talking about? The only illegal hit was the one on Todd Heap. The Robinson hit was legal. Both Harrison hits were legal hits. Next step is to take out a player's knee because you don't want to hit them in the chest region.

You know what I mean bro...the media is sensationalizing all of the hits that knocked out players. I agree that that was the only dirty hit.
 

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The only illegal hit was the one on Todd Heap. The Robinson hit was legal. Both Harrison hits were legal hits.
Exactly what I was thinking, Enfuego.
I completely agree with penalizing and maybe even suspending meriweather for his cheap shot on Heap, but whatever cheapshots Harrison may have taken in the past, his hits last weekend for "clean" in my opinion. Can't exactly recall the 2nd one, but the one on Cribbs was absolutely clean imo and just a great, hard hit with an unfortunate result for Cribbs...but that's part of the game and if they really continue penalizing defensive players for those kind of hits, the game will become a bad joke...these rules would even top the ridiculous personal fouls called for "roughing the passer", just because you land on a QB, you had already wrapped up when he threw his pass or who just got rid a tenth of a sec. before you hit him...
So to a certain degree I can understand yesterday's reaction by Harrison...
 

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