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I've had my worse year in college football this year so far and I am beating the closing numbers on 80% of my bets with two locals. I am getting pounded too this season.

I havent tracked or followed Pinny lean in college football ever (usually follow it in ncaa hoops).

If anyone knows, is it still a viable stand alone option?


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I've had my worse year in college football this year so far and I am beating the closing numbers on 80% of my bets with two locals. I am getting pounded too this season.

I havent tracked or followed Pinny lean in college football ever (usually follow it in ncaa hoops).

If anyone knows, is it still a viable stand alone option?


Thanks.

Lean when? They may "lean" on both sides at one time or another, impossible to gauge really. But if you keep beating the closing numbers significantly you will win out in the longer run.
 

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Thats how it is supposed to work D2, but man what a beatdown this year with this.

Pinny lean, I mean: TCU -28 -110 / Baylor +28 +100

Lean to TCU as a play, no?
 

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Yeah, you will usually find a significant lead on the majority of the games, especially when it's one game going off, ie, a Thursday night NCAA game, Sunday or Monday night, but you'll still find em in the rotation.

But, for every lean that hits, one doesn't. For example, last MNF they had a heavy lean on Jacksonville at gametime, and Tenn blew them out, but then the other night, the lean was on NYG and they blew Dallas out.

Take it for what its worth.
 

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Thats how it is supposed to work D2, but man what a beatdown this year with this.

Pinny lean, I mean: TCU -28 -110 / Baylor +28 +100

Lean to TCU as a play, no?

TCU would be a play at what line?
 

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If you can beat the pinny price then fine, I.E. TCU-28 +100 or better (or equivalent other spreads) would be fine, but I wouldn't be playing TCU-28 -110.
 

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Yes.

Play scalps in ML sports.

Spread sports just monitor the difference between Pinny and SIA.
 

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Sure getting peak numbers that beat the closely line will always work as its basically line shopping at it's finest. Patience is the #1 thing that stops the Pinny lean.

One big thing to keep in mind though is it take thousands upon thousands of games to really see these edges come into play. This is why football to me is the worst of the three major sports season to gauge this on. You could easily get a full year worth of plays and lose in football beating closing numbers as there just arent that many plays one makes unless you are hitting it hard with team totals, 1st halfs, 2nd halfs, etc..

Judging results usually takes me 2,000 plays and is years worth of football plays for me. If it werent for the fan in me, I would probably quit betting cfb altogether as the games are just too few and far between. Better off spending time focusing on other areas if you want to make some decent money at this.

Give me hoops or baseballs season over football season when it comes to trying to make money.
 

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To answer the Wolf's original question, unfortunately, the pinny lean can no longer be counted on to make any player thousands of dollars while asking nothing in return. For anyone new(ish) to online sports, what's referred to as the 'pinny lean' is simply the tilt established toward one side or the other at pinnaclesports.com. Before the passage of the UIGEA and the cancellation of pinnacle's North American accounts, the brilliance of their sports staff, combined with careful attention to select sharp players' accounts basically turned the pinnacle lean into a free-to-anybody professional picking service that consistently won greater than 52.4% of its leans. Since pinnacle had excellent limits, sharps could play without any obfuscation and it was therefore easy for pinny to tag those accts. Unfortunately, many of those folks were playing under US facing accounts, and so in the post UIEGA world, their expertise (and their impact on the lean) was lost. Around that time, the Pinnacle ownership group was also expanding into brick and mortar casinos and didn't want to attract any governmental attention, so they've strictly enforced the ban. That lack of 'early warning indicator' players led to a less effective lean. After Pinny lost its North American business, much of that very talented management team left for greener pastures, so in pretty short order the Pinny lean lost both the sharp players and sharp managers that so effectively set the lean 'back in the day'. That said, the current management team is also quite bright, so I still note the lean on every play I make. It may not be the goose laying the golden eggs anymore, but the lean can still be used as a tool to aid your profitability. Good luck out there.
 

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N_I....well said, those are the FACTS right there!

To answer the Wolf's original question, unfortunately, the pinny lean can no longer be counted on to make any player thousands of dollars while asking nothing in return. For anyone new(ish) to online sports, what's referred to as the 'pinny lean' is simply the tilt established toward one side or the other at pinnaclesports.com. Before the passage of the UIGEA and the cancellation of pinnacle's North American accounts, the brilliance of their sports staff, combined with careful attention to select sharp players' accounts basically turned the pinnacle lean into a free-to-anybody professional picking service that consistently won greater than 52.4% of its leans. Since pinnacle had excellent limits, sharps could play without any obfuscation and it was therefore easy for pinny to tag those accts. Unfortunately, many of those folks were playing under US facing accounts, and so in the post UIEGA world, their expertise (and their impact on the lean) was lost. Around that time, the Pinnacle ownership group was also expanding into brick and mortar casinos and didn't want to attract any governmental attention, so they've strictly enforced the ban. That lack of 'early warning indicator' players led to a less effective lean. After Pinny lost its North American business, much of that very talented management team left for greener pastures, so in pretty short order the Pinny lean lost both the sharp players and sharp managers that so effectively set the lean 'back in the day'. That said, the current management team is also quite bright, so I still note the lean on every play I make. It may not be the goose laying the golden eggs anymore, but the lean can still be used as a tool to aid your profitability. Good luck out there.
 

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No. They had CBB Totals circled to like a $100.00 last season. Pinnacle is a shell of what it used to be. Besides all the U.S. post up action, they lost most of the U.S. credit action. Pinnacle pre-dumping US action had no problem taking action from people that beat them senseless. They even let affiliates run a hot/cold sheet and get a % of volume versus % on loss, so you could have a sharp guy beat them for tons of money and Pinnacle would cut you a check!

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To answer the Wolf's original question, unfortunately, the pinny lean can no longer be counted on to make any player thousands of dollars while asking nothing in return. For anyone new(ish) to online sports, what's referred to as the 'pinny lean' is simply the tilt established toward one side or the other at pinnaclesports.com. Before the passage of the UIGEA and the cancellation of pinnacle's North American accounts, the brilliance of their sports staff, combined with careful attention to select sharp players' accounts basically turned the pinnacle lean into a free-to-anybody professional picking service that consistently won greater than 52.4% of its leans. Since pinnacle had excellent limits, sharps could play without any obfuscation and it was therefore easy for pinny to tag those accts. Unfortunately, many of those folks were playing under US facing accounts, and so in the post UIEGA world, their expertise (and their impact on the lean) was lost. Around that time, the Pinnacle ownership group was also expanding into brick and mortar casinos and didn't want to attract any governmental attention, so they've strictly enforced the ban. That lack of 'early warning indicator' players led to a less effective lean. After Pinny lost its North American business, much of that very talented management team left for greener pastures, so in pretty short order the Pinny lean lost both the sharp players and sharp managers that so effectively set the lean 'back in the day'. That said, the current management team is also quite bright, so I still note the lean on every play I make. It may not be the goose laying the golden eggs anymore, but the lean can still be used as a tool to aid your profitability. Good luck out there.
 

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Sure getting peak numbers that beat the closely line will always work as its basically line shopping at it's finest. Patience is the #1 thing that stops the Pinny lean.

One big thing to keep in mind though is it take thousands upon thousands of games to really see these edges come into play. This is why football to me is the worst of the three major sports season to gauge this on. You could easily get a full year worth of plays and lose in football beating closing numbers as there just arent that many plays one makes unless you are hitting it hard with team totals, 1st halfs, 2nd halfs, etc..

Judging results usually takes me 2,000 plays and is years worth of football plays for me. If it werent for the fan in me, I would probably quit betting cfb altogether as the games are just too few and far between. Better off spending time focusing on other areas if you want to make some decent money at this.

Give me hoops or baseballs season over football season when it comes to trying to make money.

Good answer and I think Ice is right on.
 

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To answer the Wolf's original question, unfortunately, the pinny lean can no longer be counted on to make any player thousands of dollars while asking nothing in return. For anyone new(ish) to online sports, what's referred to as the 'pinny lean' is simply the tilt established toward one side or the other at pinnaclesports.com. Before the passage of the UIGEA and the cancellation of pinnacle's North American accounts, the brilliance of their sports staff, combined with careful attention to select sharp players' accounts basically turned the pinnacle lean into a free-to-anybody professional picking service that consistently won greater than 52.4% of its leans. Since pinnacle had excellent limits, sharps could play without any obfuscation and it was therefore easy for pinny to tag those accts. Unfortunately, many of those folks were playing under US facing accounts, and so in the post UIEGA world, their expertise (and their impact on the lean) was lost. Around that time, the Pinnacle ownership group was also expanding into brick and mortar casinos and didn't want to attract any governmental attention, so they've strictly enforced the ban. That lack of 'early warning indicator' players led to a less effective lean. After Pinny lost its North American business, much of that very talented management team left for greener pastures, so in pretty short order the Pinny lean lost both the sharp players and sharp managers that so effectively set the lean 'back in the day'. That said, the current management team is also quite bright, so I still note the lean on every play I make. It may not be the goose laying the golden eggs anymore, but the lean can still be used as a tool to aid your profitability. Good luck out there.

GREAT FEEDBACK NI. THANKS.

Iceman, long time no hear! Hope all is well with you.
 

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All I know is that 3-4 years ago in college hoops, it was such easy pickings if you beat the move.

Something drastically has changed the past two years and lines on totals bounced back and forth at a ridiculous pace within the hour prior to tip......2-3 point moves in each direction (market manipulation?) which often left me sitting on a bad number.........that has me contemplating not betting college hoops this season.
 

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I think Pinnacle still gets the big players from the US. If I was able to put down $30,000 per game and do it successfully I would find an agent to make my plays for me.

For those that doubt big players still play at Pinnacle take a look at the Cincinnati/Miami-OH line on October 9, 2010. Line at Pinnacle went from:

10/0906:45 PM+17.5 -107-17.5 +107
10/0906:55 PM+17.5 -101-17.5 -109
10/0906:56 PM+17.5 -103-17.5 -107
10/0907:02 PM+17.5 +100-17.5 -110
10/0907:04 PM+18 +100-18 -110
10/0907:05 PM+19 -110-19 +100
10/0907:06 PM+19.5 -110-19.5 +100

The other books were still at 17. Cincinnati ended up going up 45-3 at the half and neither team scored in the 2nd half.
 

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I've had my worse year in college football this year so far and I am beating the closing numbers on 80% of my bets with two locals. I am getting pounded too this season.

I havent tracked or followed Pinny lean in college football ever (usually follow it in ncaa hoops).

If anyone knows, is it still a viable stand alone option?


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I hope everyone here has a far better idea on how to win at gambling than following some so called Pinny lean. I give it 0 percent credit in my handicapping games.
 

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The Pinny lean is total nonsense. But thats not to say they are not sharp book. They gamble with their line more trying to collect off bettors who play the middling game. They are successful usually but everyone knows the high minus juice side cant be the right side all the time.
 

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