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The Bellagio Gets Robbed - But the House Doesn't Feel a Thing



#one-page ** margin: 8px 20px 0px 15px; float: left; } At 3:50am this morning, a man in a full-face motorcycle helmet walked up to a craps table at the Bellagio (MGM) hotel-casino in Las Vegas, pulled a gun, and made off with approximately $1.5 million in chips, ranging in value from $100 to $25,000.



However, while the chips were worth seven-figures at 3:50am, at 3:51am they weren’t worth a thing -- and any potential financial damage to the Bellagio is exactly none.

Lt. Clint Nichols of the Las Vegas Metropolitan Police Department told reporters at a press [COLOR=#01509D ! important][COLOR=#01509D ! important]conference[/COLOR][/COLOR] that, “The industry has some safeguards in place that make [redeeming stolen chips] extremely difficult.”

Actually, converting a stolen chip into cash is far more than extremely difficult, it is, in fact, nothing short of impossible.

John Kendall, president of CHIPCO International, a gaming chip manufacturer with over 100,000,000 chips in use worldwide, says he was “stunned” when he heard about this morning’s theft.“I have spoken to the people at the Bellagio, whom I know well,” Kendall tells Minyanville. “And those chips became worthless the moment they left the casino. This guy obviously just did not understand the dynamics of the industry he was attacking.”

For starters, immediately after the robbery, every chip in the house was permanently replaced with a “secondary set” which, according to Kendall, would total around a million at a casino the size of the Bellagio. These so-called secondaries utilize an entirely different design scheme, rendering all previous ones obsolete.

But, even if they hadn’t been replaced, the chips still lose their value as soon as they’re deactivated.

Kendall explains that, in 2005, the Wynn Las Vegas (WYNN) was the first casino to begin using chips embedded with RFID tags, electronic devices that assign a unique identification code, or “license plate,” to each one. Today, RFID technology is in use across the entire industry. While individual casinos are loath to discuss details of their security operations, it’s safe to say that players from the Venetian (LVS) to the Fremont (BYD) have RFID-tagged chips stacked in front of them.

“RFID can void the stolen chips, like a [COLOR=#01509D ! important][COLOR=#01509D ! important]registration[/COLOR][/COLOR] that’s no longer valid,” Kendall says. “When we manufacture RFID-embedded chips and send them to a casino, they’re not worth anything until they register the codes. Until then, they’re nothing but freight.”

Generally, chips with a face-value of $100 or higher are inlaid with RFID, but Kendall says a $25 RFID chip is not unheard of.

“A casino can buy an RFID gaming chip for $2.50, so you could theoretically go lower, but no one’s stealing $5 chips,” Kendall says.

“The brain of RFID is a regular silicon chip from one of many different [COLOR=#01509D ! important][COLOR=#01509D ! important]companies[/COLOR][/COLOR] -- Texas Instruments (TXN), Intel (INTC), AMD (AMD),” Kendall says. “Each casino chip has a coil antenna inside it, tuned to a certain frequency like a radio in your car. A transceiver sends out a signal, which harmonizes with the capacitor, and can tell exactly where it is. It’s a passive [COLOR=#01509D ! important][COLOR=#01509D ! important]device[/COLOR][/COLOR], so the police can’t track them down, but whoever took them might as well bury them. He may try to fence them to somebody at a discount, but they’re now sort of like a disabled cell phone. The Bellagio doesn’t even have the same chips on the table anymore at this point.”

RFID technology is not only used for security purposes -- it has also turned the tracking of customer behavior, once the purview of pit bosses and floor managers, into a science.

“With RFID, casinos know how long someone’s been playing, what their average bet is, what games they like to play, what kind of drinks they like,” Kendall says. “It really has a lot of benefits to the casino, some more subtle than others -- for example, [COLOR=#01509D ! important][COLOR=#01509D ! important]RFID[/COLOR][/COLOR] can tell if a dealer has mispaid a player that’s won.”

RFID technology is in use off the casino floor, as well. The Treasure Island hotel and casino uses RFID-enabled spouts at its bars, to track the amount and types of liquors the bartenders pour.

According to Capton, the maker of the Beverage Tracker system, “whenever a bartender pours a drink, the tipping of the bottle turns on both the tag and the measuring device, allowing the spout to measure the volume of liquor poured (in ounces) before the employee tips the bottle back up. The tag then transmits that information to [an] antenna, attached to the ceiling above the bar.”

”Nobody beats the house in Las Vegas” as the old saw goes, whether it’s in the bar or at the craps table.

As John Kendall says, “The casino business has decades of practice on how to stay ahead of people trying to cheat them.”


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i call bullshit... if i take the bellagio chips i have back to vegas, i'm pretty sure they'll honor them. all this guy has to do is send in a ton of different people into the casino to cash out.

also, can't you use bellagio chips at neighboring casinos?
 

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ive had chips for a year before returning and using them , maybe when there is a theft its different . But for those who have those chips and didnt cash them before the robbery its going to suck
 

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problem is the domination of the chips, not alot of $25k chips floating out there. so if you try cashing a bunch of them in, and your not in their system as a big time player or someone they deal with alot, im sure it will raise red flags. Best hope for the guy that stole them is to some how find a big time player from that hotel and have them cash it in. they get $1.5 million in chips, you get say 1 million, everyone makes out (besides the casino)
 

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Any larger denomiantion chips have already been switched out....

Has happened a few times at places I have worked...
 

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If the chips really had some kind of tracking device on them, the Bellagio wouldn't have announced it...they would have simply tracked them and found the guy. But changing out every single casino chip was a bad move by the Bellagio.

There are plenty of high stakes players who have their own chip stash tucked away in a vault or safe. Now, everyone who is holding any of the "old" Bellagio chips is going to have to come cash them in...and that probably includes more than a few poker pros, etc who have $25k chips. This guy would have been easier to spot, but over the next few months, he (or a beard) can now walk up to a cage and say "Hey, I had these for a long time and I'm coming to cash them in now because you were the ones who changed them out." And the Bellagio is going to have to deal with plenty of workers and agents...I doubt Phil Ivey or Johnny Chan will personally walk up to a cage with their own chip stashes...
 

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It would be interesting to find out if it is true or not.

Like JDeuce said, if they truly were worthless, they probably would not have said anything so they can bust the guy.
 

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I wanted to read the article but, alas, I am not a computer.
 

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If the chips really had some kind of tracking device on them, the Bellagio wouldn't have announced it...they would have simply tracked them and found the guy. But changing out every single casino chip was a bad move by the Bellagio.

Its my understanding that these RFID tags work in a similar way to the same one you can get for your cats/dogs in that they cant actually be tracked down to a physical location, but if they are found then can be scanned and the details of them accessed to determine if they are legit or not.

Not sure I believe the bit about tagging player drinks and habits, but I guess it could be possible...
 

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sounds like a lot of work to track the location of these chips. A player could float around from table to table to table with them, or leave with them, etc. ? I guess you could do it with $500 and up chips
 
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His problem will be the $25,000 chips , maybe even the $10K's and $5k's
But shouldn't have a problem with the others

I have 5 $100 chips, and don't see a problem cashing them when i get there.

It seems that he took anywhere from Green ( $25 ), Black ( $100 ) Purple ($500 )
all the way up to $25,000 chips
He will have to eat all those........
 
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So if I have a $25,000 chip it is now worthless?

No... But like the video said... Be prepared to be asked a bunch of questions
They will then look at Video to see if you were in Fact Playing when you say you were playing
 

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This all seems like bullsh*t. No way can they track all those chips......What if I said that the chip was given to me as payment for a service or item? I have done that with $100.00 chips myself.

I think the casinos want you to think you can't steal from them so more people don't do the same thing............
 

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This all seems like bullsh*t. No way can they track all those chips......What if I said that the chip was given to me as payment for a service or item? I have done that with $100.00 chips myself.

I think the casinos want you to think you can't steal from them so more people don't do the same thing............

I agree they are downplaying it. It seems they can't trace the chips to have originated from that particular Craps table....if they could then fine ( say it was identifiable on 5k and up chips), refuse to cash them and basically arrest anybody turning them in for questioning.

What chips did they replace casino wide ? It would have to have a decent cost to replace every chip of $100 and up....I've read they cost like $3 at least with RIFD in them. They still have to cash outstanding chips and there must be plenty of Black ones around. I could see not cashing in large chips to avoid paperwork, when you plan to gamble again another day and might lose it, or coloring up a bunch of Blacks to make it easier to carry.

Why isn't security on a guy entering wearing a helmet ? I can't walk into a bank wearing a ballcap.

Why are 25K chips on a Craps table to begin with, esp. right near the door ? They can always bring over and fill those if a Whale is playing. 40 chips is a million...that can be moved over if in minutes if Fishhead wants to play.

They act like changing the chips is no big deal at all....I think that might cost more like 100k ?

If you try to demonetize the chips you fuck over some rich tourist type that might fly in a few times a year from Iowa or somewhere and never heard of this robbery.

There is more to it.
 

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Danny McCoy at the Monticello would have this thing figured out and chips back in place in fifty minutes.
 

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the very large denomination chips are obviously worthless. The casino bosses record those transactions, if somebody tries to cash a bunch of 1,000 chips he's screwed. Don't even think about cashing a 25k chip.

IMO, $ 100 chips are doable but you have to be smart and careful. $ 25 chips are a walk in the park, just use caution

don't know anything about that tracking device stuff
 

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