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NEW YORK -- Having finished second, or maybe third, in the Cliff Lee sweepstakes, the Yankees are prepared to go into the 2011 season with a pitching rotation of CC Sabathia, A.J. Burnett and Phil Hughes , with the remaining spots filled out by youngsters, many of whom have never pitched above the Triple-A level.


"I'm not saying I want to do it," general manager Brian Cashman said in a telephone conversation Monday morning, "but I may have to do it."
Cashman is operating under the assumption that Andy Pettitte, back home in Deer, Park, Texas, following a an excellent season cut short by a groin injury, will not be returning for a 17th major league season.



"If we get Pettitte back, so much the better," Cashman said. "But I'm not waiting for him. He told me not to."


With Lee having signed with the Phillies, Pettitte mulling retirement and Zack Greinke being traded to the Milwaukee Brewers, the pickings are slim among available starting pitchers -- with the exception of Carl Pavano, a free agent whose disastrous first Yankees tenure rules out the possibility of a second.
Cashman acknowledged his team could use a major league ready starter as well as another arm in the bullpen but seemed pessimistic about the chances of getting one before Opening Day.


"Could I go out and get a starter? Yes, I could. But there's just not much out there," Cashman said. "I have March, April, May, June and July, really, to come up with someone."


Cashman also ruled out, although not absolutely, the possibility the Yankees might include catching prospect Jesus Montero in a trade for a front-line starter now that the Yankees have signed Russell Martin to assume every-day catching duties. "There's just nobody out there I would consider trading Montero for," Cashman said.


Asked if that included Seattle Mariners ace Felix Hernandez, Cashman said, "That ain't happening."


So heading into spring training, Cashman said the Yankees would try to cull two starters from a young crop that includes Ivan Nova, who is virtually assured a spot in the 2011 rotation, as well as right-handers Andrew Brackman, Dellin Betances, Adam Warren, Hector Noesi and left-hander Manny Banuelos.
Of the six, only Nova has pitched at the major league level, appearing in 10 games the second half of last season (seven starts), and compiling a 1-2 record and 4.50 ERA but displaying enough stuff and poise that the Yankees are counting on him to fill one of the starting spots.


None of the others has pitched at a higher level than Double-A, and Banuelos and Betances, who had ligament reinforcement surgery in 2009, spent last season in Class A ball.


"We have 10 prospects starting from Double-A on up that our organization can choose from," Cashman said.


The GM ruled out a return to the rotation for Joba Chamberlain, who along with David Robertson will compete for the job as eighth-inning set-up man vacated when Kerry Wood became a free agent. Over the weekend, Wood signed a contract to return to the Chicago Cubs.


Cashman declined to say whether he was interested in free agent right-hander Freddy Garcia. According to a report, the Yankees asked for the medicals on the 35-year-old Garcia, who was 12-6 with a 4.64 ERA for the White Sox in 2010. "We ask for the medical records on every free agent," Cashman said.
So for now, the Yankees are standing pat.


"In the past, we might have gone out and traded away prospects just to get someone in here," Cashman said. "But realistically, I have until July to get this solved."
 

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Now that Zack Greinke is in the Brew City, where does that leave teams seeking an arm?

Options are dwindling fast, which will be to the benefit to free-agent pitchers or teams with pitching to deal.

With that in mind, here are the five best options left on the market. This does not include pitchers that may be available but have not been reported to be such and also does not include Andy Pettitte, who will either return to the Yankees or retire.

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Matt Garza
Garza is actually not as good as his career ERA (3.97) might indicate thanks to a 4.45 xFIP, but the 27-year-old has age and contract on his side, with three years of arbitration eligibility left. He has topped 200 innings the last two years and could blossom in the NL Central. The Rays need salary relief, but would probably prefer to deal Shields (No. 5 on this list) instead. The Rangers figure to be the top bidder for his services, but he has been most closely linked to the Cubs. 2
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Ricky Nolasco
Contract extension talks have broken down between the Fish and Nolasco, so the club has been fielding calls on the right-hander. While Florida has reportedly planned to retain Nolasco through the next two seasons regardless, the club would move Nolasco in the right deal. He would likely cost more than Garza to get a deal done, but his unlucky streak of ball the last three years may chill offers enough that he remains in Florida.
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Joe Blanton
Why Blanton over Carl Pavano, No. 4 on the list? Simple: Pavano is seeking three years and $36 million, while Blanton is due $17 million over the next two years and Philadelphia will likely eat part of his deal to trade him. Meanwhile, Blanton's xFIP over the last two years is similar to Pavano's, and Blanton edges Pavano in age. As a back-of-the-rotation innings eater who keeps teams in games, Blanton's pretty snazzy.
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Carl Pavano That's not to say that Pavano isn't valuable. The best free-agent starter left on the market (and the only free agent on the list, which speaks volumes), has returned to his innings-chomping ways and hurled 221 frames in 2010. He should be good for an ERA around 4.00 the next couple of years and would do well near the top of a rotation, but he's not an ace. The Twins remain the favorites for his services.
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James Shields Shields actually may be a better pitcher than Garza despite his 5.18 ERA. His xFIP was 3.72, a career-low and has a better track record when it comes to durability. However, that ERA will scare off suitors as well. He has one year of a guaranteed salary remaining, but three club options at escalating prices that could drop him behind Garza in contract status.
 

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I hope they keep Burnett. I've cleaned up last season fading him.
 

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Yanks rotation is as deep as a puddle right now, Hughes is not nor never will be a money pitcher either.
 

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Yanks rotation is as deep as a puddle right now, Hughes is not nor never will be a money pitcher either.

I think Hughes has a chance, more concerned about Burnett. I think Pettitte will get an offer he can't refuse....like 10M+ for one year.

I see this...

CC
Andy
Hughes
Burnett
Nova, Chamberlain ???

Pavano has to be considered, esp. if Andy retires.

Imagine if they get injuries to CC, Hughes or Burnett !

They can't really wait until July to pick up some decent pitcher from a non-contender. They could be in 3rd place by the break.

They will score runs, but also give them up.
 

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Hate to say this, Sox may be popping champagne in September.
 

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Yanks rotation is as deep as a puddle right now, Hughes is not nor never will be a money pitcher either.

kind of rough on the 24 year old Hughes who went 18-8 last year and is like 31-18 ( I think) for career.

he seems to be an important piece, esp. now !

If not Hughes, then who ( whom ? )
 

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kind of rough on the 24 year old Hughes who went 18-8 last year and is like 31-18 ( I think) for career.
Mediocre 4.10 earned run average, a lot of those 18 wins were against crappy teams, not to mention Hughes got lit up like a Christmas tree in the playoffs.

Still doesn't impress me. (yet)
 

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He's young and has like 50 career decisions. He seems to be well on track to me.ERA could be better, but he is just a kid really !

I'd take him over AJ.

You are giving up on him after an 18-8 season ( at 24) ?
 

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You are giving up on him after an 18-8 season ( at 24) ?

No, not giving up.
Work habits could be better, fades in early September after hitting like the 130 IP mark, needs to be more clutch in big games.
 

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young pitchers don't usually pitch 200 innings, look at Joba !

Hughes is on a nice pace.

How many guys have 50 decisions at 24 ?

He's for sure a planned part of the rotation, and more like #3 than #5.
 

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If Andy is back it's still a very good rotation.


CC is an Ace, Hughes is a solid 2-3 guy, andy is a solid middle to back end guy.

They just need AJ to pitch better. He is overpaid obviously, but hes a good pitcher. Much better than what he showed last season.
 
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Garza or Shields would work for me. I think Nolasco reached an agreement w/the Marlins yesterday. Definitley looks like a down year for the Yankees, but who know maybe one of the young guys will surprise.
 

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Garza or Shields would work for me. I think Nolasco reached an agreement w/the Marlins yesterday. Definitley looks like a down year for the Yankees, but who know maybe one of the young guys will surprise.

I don't want to rely on rookie starters with that payroll.
 

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http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/12/26/yankees-monitoring-free-agent-righty-brandon-webb/

Yankees “monitoring” free agent righty Brandon Webb

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Dec 26, 2010, 11:05 AM EST




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From George King III of the New York Post comes word that the Yankees are monitoring the negotiations surrounding free agent right-hander Brandon Webb. However, the Yanks “don’t appear to be in a hurry to do anything.”
New York is still waiting on a decision from veteran lefty Andy Pettitte, who is weighing whether to retire from the game of baseball or return for a 16th major league season. If he decides to hang up his cleats for good and announces that decision within the next week or two, the Yanks may go hard after Webb.
For now, though, they’re simply practicing patience.
Webb hasn’t appeared in a big league game since the first week of the 2009 season because of chronic shoulder issues, but he registered a 3.30 ERA and 1.20 WHIP over 34 starts in 2008 and won the National League Cy Young Award back in 2006 with a 3.10 ERA, 1.13 WHIP and 178 strikeouts in 235 innings.
The Rangers, Cubs and Nationals have also been tracking the 31-year-old right-hander.
 

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The Yankees’ Precarious Starting Rotation

January 10th, 2011 by Mike Silver



The Yank’s Woeful Rotation
After failing to sign their top priority free agent, Cliff Lee, missing out on trade target Zack Greinke, and facing the possible retirement of Andy Pettitte, the Yankees find themselves scrambling for back-end rotation starters.

The 2011 season could see the weakest Yankee starting rotation in years. If the season were to begin today, they would be forced to plug unproven youngster Ivan Nova and retread Sergio Mitre into their fourth and fifth slots. Though both are talented and can get by in the Majors, they each carry question marks as to their reliablility and fit on a championship caliber team.
Ivan Nova

Turning 24 on Wednesday, Nova has long been touted as a high-ceiling starter but one who has been unable to turn his impressive stuff into results. Equipped with a low-to-mid 90s fastball, a good curveball, and a good change, New York has been waiting for Nova to deliver on his potential for years. Those results haven’t come and, until then, he’ll be merely another guy with potential who is short on results.

In the meantime, it looks almost certain that Nova will begin the season in the Yankees’ rotation — whether that’s as the number four (where he stands today) or as number five, if Andy Pettitte returns. And, unfortunately for Boston, he does seem capable of handling these responsibilities.

Despite New York’s concern, Nova does have a nice skill set. He induces ground balls (at a 51.4 percent clip last season), controls the free pass to an acceptable degree (3.64 BB/9 in 2010), and doesn’t destroy his productivity with poor BABIPs and HR/FB rates.

Furthermore, he put up decent plate discipline indicators, which suggest better performance to come. With average contact rates and good-enough control, he should be able to post a K-rate in the mid 6s and a low 3s BB/9. All told, he looks like a pitcher who could put up a low-4s ERA — his expected ERA last season was a 4.11.

Even with a less-than-stellar strikeout rate, Nova looks like a relatively good pitcher for a #4 or #5 spot in the rotation. The main rub with Nova is that he’s unproven, as New York likes to point out his inconsistent minor league ERAs and subpar K:BB ratio in 2010. He has the tools to succeed, however. And, if he had better strikeout and walk ratios in the minors, he’d seem like more of a sure thing; the kind of young pitcher whom you wouldn’t mind taking his lumps as a #5 a la Clay Buchholz in 2008.

Until he proves himself, however, New York will dread his turn in the rotation and view him as a chink in their armor.

Sergio Mitre

While New York is has a reasonable level of concern in the prospect of relying on Nova, the guy they are really worried about is Sergio Mitre.

If today were 2007, Mitre would be a fine option as a back-end starter. He has good groundball skills, is stingy on the free passes, and has the talent to hold down a middle-of-the-rotation gig.

But it’s not 2007 — and Mitre is not the starter he was just three years ago. While he still has the control and ground ball rates he did three years ago, he has serious durability issues and has reverted to his troublesome HR/FB numbers of years past.

When teams cast a player in a starting role at the beginning of the season, durability suddenly becomes a very important asset to possess. For a team void of depth, it becomes even more important. Given that propensity for injury, Mitre would be a much better fit as a long reliever or reserve starter who could fill in for someone else’s injury.

Performance could be an issue for Mitre, as his potential HR/FB rates have caused some serious volatility in his projections, ranging from a 4.58 to a 5.08. That alone is cause for concern. But, when you have no depth and you’re anticipating injuries in your rotation, the performance of your front five might not be your biggest problem.

In the end, the Yankees will do everything they can to avoid plugging Mitre into the front five. Today, though, he stands as the Yankees’ biggest barrier to making the post season.
 

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