Does Jeff Bagwell deserve to get into the hall of fame??

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Does Jeff Bagwell deserve to get into the hall of fame??


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I say yes..

When you look at a .297 average, 1,500 RBI and 1,500 runs scored, only 23 players in history have those numbers, and every one of them is in the Hall of Fame or is going to the Hall of Fame. Plus, Jeff Bagwell's a very good defensive player and a great baserunner. He's the only first basemen ever with 400 homers, 200 stolen bases and virtually all the advanced metrics, including WAR [Wins Above Replacement].
 

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Kurkjian: 'Jeff Bagwell is a Hall of Famer'


  • January 5th, 2011 11:13 am CT

ESPN The Magazine senior Major League Baseball writer Tim Kurkjian defended Houston Astros icon Jeff Bagwell's Hall of Fame candidacy during a guest appearance on SportsCenter Wednesday morning, stating he doesn't understand why other voters wouldn't cast a ballot for the four-time All-Star first baseman and 1994 NL MVP as a first-ballot inductee.
Kurkjian, along with other well-known Hall of Fame voters, such has Peter Gammons, Buster Olney and Jayson Stark, believe Bagwell's career line goes above and beyond the traditional requirements, but with the suspicion of him being a dominant slugger during the Steroid Era, other voters doubt whether it's legitimate.
"I think he's a Hall of Famer," Kurkjian said. "When you look at a .297 average, 1,500 RBI and 1,500 runs scored, only 23 players in history have those numbers, and every one of them is in the Hall of Fame or is going to the Hall of Fame. Plus, Jeff Bagwell's a very good defensive player and a great baserunner. He's the only first basemen ever with 400 homers, 200 stolen bases and virtually all the advanced metrics, including WAR [Wins Above Replacement].
"Wins Above Replacement have Bagwell in. During his career, according to WAR, the only more productive player than Jeff Bagwell was Barry Bonds. That's how good he was. Plus, he was an MVP and the best player on a team that went to the playoffs numerous times, and he played a good portion of his career in a huge ballpark, the Astrodome."
According to Kukjian, the longtime respected baseball writer states that voters have no right to pass judgment unless there's bona fide proof, which brings up the fact once again that no evidence has ever linked Bagwell to performance-enhancing drug use.
He never failed a drug test nor was mentioned in the infamous Mitchell Report, with former slugger Jose Canseco even claiming he has no knowledge of Bagwell ever using steroids.
"I'm not sure how you can vote against Jeff Bagwell, even though I don't think he's going to get in," Kirkjian said. "Yet, some people have written that there are steroid accusations or steroid suspicions. I'm not buying those. I was brought up thinking that you better not accuse without some proof.
"There's absolutely no proof here for Jeff Bagwell. To me, that's the only thing that could keep him out of the Hall of Fame. Some people will set a higher standard for first basemen, and say, 'You have to have a career average over .300 or hit 500 home runs.'
"Hello, the guy's numbers are Hall of Fame numbers, period."
Although Kurkjian believes Bagwell will fall short in his first year on the ballot, he predicts the former Astros slugger will be enshrined at some point.
"I think it will be soon, if it's not this year," Kurkjian said. "If you look at the consistency, he had six straight years of .300 with 100 RBI and 100 runs scored. The only two first basemen in baseball history to have six straight years like that without the help of the DH were Lou Gehrig and Jimmie Foxx, who are arguably the two best first basemen of all time.
"Jeff Bagwell is in that conversation as far as the best first basemen ever ... there's no way around that.
 

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Easy yes. His HR , ON Base%, and stolen bases combined were tremendous.
 

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His strikeouts with men on base in big games , when people finally started noticing that he choked at every opportunity he started the " i got something in my eye" bullshit.

Id like to see his stats in playoff games against the Braves................He was on some pretty good teams and never won jack shit.

""Jeff Bagwell is in that conversation as far as the best first basemen ever ... there's no way around that.".......HUH?
 

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His strikeouts with men on base in big games , when people finally started noticing that he choked at every opportunity he started the " i got something in my eye" bullshit.

Id like to see his stats in playoff games against the Braves................He was on some pretty good teams and never won jack shit.

""Jeff Bagwell is in that conversation as far as the best first basemen ever ... there's no way around that.".......HUH?

Posts season dont mean shit.....we are not electing a player based on his post season stats.
 

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Id like to see his stats in playoff games against the Braves
1-12 in '97
2-13 in '99 BUT 5 BB's = more than solid .429 OB pct.
3-7 in '01 .429 .667 OB pct

recapping, crap in '97
decent if you include OB pct (after all, a walk is as good as a hit, right?) in '99
Lit them up in '01

Remember, those Braves staffs historians say are amongst the top ten staffs in the modern era of baseball

IMO, he's a lock within the next three ballots, even though he's acting weird lately.
 

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1-12 in '97
2-13 in '99 BUT 5 BB's = more than solid .429 OB pct.
3-7 in '01 .429 .667 OB pct

The guy had almost 10 000 career plate appearances. I understand the magnitude of the postseason is so much greater. But looking into 33 at bats should only matter when separating players who are close. In those other 9 000-something plate appearances Bagwell far exceeded the Hall-of-Fame standard: .297 average, .408 obp and .540 slugging. Adjusting for league average and ballpark, the only eligible players with higher ops not elected are McGwire and Allen and Bagwell had much better defense and more playing time

Much better than Perez, Rice and Dawson. Not sure if there is anyone better not in the Hall-of-Fame
 

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Absolutely not. When I think of HOF, I don't think Bagwell. Was he ever in top 5 voting for a MVP, been on a championship team, led the league in hitting, RBI, or average o was he even the best at his position in his era ? Thast what i thought. He has decent #'s because he played along time. That doesn't give you a ticket into the Hall.
 

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Absolutely not. When I think of HOF, I don't think Bagwell. Was he ever in top 5 voting for a MVP, been on a championship team, led the league in hitting, RBI, or average o was he even the best at his position in his era ? Thast what i thought. He has decent #'s because he played along time. That doesn't give you a ticket into the Hall.

Just shy of hitting .300 and hit over 400 hr's and you don't think he's HOF material?

1994 National League Most Valuable Player
Four-time National League All-Star.
1994 National League Gold Glove Award Winner.
1991 National League Rookie of the Year.
 

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Was he ever in top 5 voting for a MVP

Nope. Never. Except for the three times he was including the one year he won

He led the league in a few categories a few times. Though a lot of top 10 finishes. That's while playing half his games in the Astrodome during his peak

If he wasn't the best first baseman of his generation, he was very close to Frank Thomas, but a lot of people will take the guy with better defense over the guy who played in a few more games

Being on mostly bad teams that didn't win much had a lot more to do with his teammates than what he did
 

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Just shy of hitting .300 and hit over 400 hr's and you don't think he's HOF material?

1994 National League Most Valuable Player
Four-time National League All-Star.
1994 National League Gold Glove Award Winner.
1991 National League Rookie of the Year.

Ok forgot about the 1 MVP, but only 4 all star games and your trying to convince me with a rookie of the year. No way !
 

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The guy had almost 10 000 career plate appearances. I understand the magnitude of the postseason is so much greater. But looking into 33 at bats should only matter when separating players who are close. In those other 9 000-something plate appearances Bagwell far exceeded the Hall-of-Fame standard: .297 average, .408 obp and .540 slugging. Adjusting for league average and ballpark, the only eligible players with higher ops not elected are McGwire and Allen and Bagwell had much better defense and more playing time

Much better than Perez, Rice and Dawson. Not sure if there is anyone better not in the Hall-of-Fame

I'm with you, I was just answering the guys question.
Of course he's a HoF'er
 

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He became the first National Leaguer to finish first or second in batting average, home runs, RBI, and runs scored since Willie Mays in 1955. His .750 slugging percentage in 1994 ranks as the 11th best single-season mark in major league history.

Bagwell was also the runner-up for the 1999 MVP, and was third in 1997.

In 1997, he became the first full-time first baseman to steal 30 bases while hitting 30 home runs.



http://www.biographicon.com/view/f75pu
 

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Here's a meaningless stat:


Jeff Bagwell hit at least 30 homers and drove in at least 100 runs in six consecutive seasons from 1996-2001, and eight times overall. The only other three players to have achieved such a streak are Babe Ruth, Lou Gehrig, and Jimmie Foxx.



http://www.tbhof.org/bio/2004/biobagwell.htm
 

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