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When a dealer mispays: What should you do?

Matt Villano
Wednesday, February 16, 2011
Old-school gamblers will tell you that honesty has no place in a casino. They'll say that because the house is out to take your money, you should jump at any chance you have to fight back. And for the most part, they're right.
Still, certain situations on the felt can create uncomfortable dilemmas. A faithful reader recently inquired about this very point. The question: What should you do when a dealer mispays to your advantage? Should you speak up and come clean or do you, to quote the Steve Miller Band, take the money and run?
The answer will be different for all of us, and it depends on a number of factors.
Your buy-in: If the dealer overpays you one unit on a $5 or $10 bet, honesty might be worth more than a few bucks. But if the dealer overpays you by a magnitude of greater than 2:1 on a multi-unit bet, you may want to consider taking the extra cash and heading for the hills. This happened to me on a recent trip to Las Vegas: After a mispay of $40 on a 4:1 bonus bet, I quietly took my extra cash and beelined for the elevators.
Your conscience: The casino always gets its due. Thanks to all of those cameras in the ceiling, somebody somewhere eventually will discover the dealer's error and see to it that the dealer makes good with money out of their paychecks. If you're the sensitive type, the kind of gambler who might feel guilty taking money that a dealer ultimately will have to pay out of pocket, come clean.
The frequency with which you visit the casino: If you're a regular at the casino in question and you know some of the dealers and pit bosses by name, once they hear about the incident, they may think less of you for not speaking up. In this scenario, you've got to weigh the importance of your personal relationships against your interest in hanging on to some extra cash.
Your belief in "what goes around comes around": Odds and superstition are at opposite ends of the gambling spectrum, but if you're a firm believer in the karmic equation, it's probably a good idea to stay on the right side and speak up. Here, the thinking is that if you cash in profits resulting from dishonesty, you'll pay for it later (and you will lose horribly on a big pot).
If you do decide to speak up about a mispay, talk directly to the dealer in question. The dealer inevitably will have to call over a pit boss, but ratting out the dealer to that pit boss directly is bad form. It also could get a dealer fired.
If you opt to keep the mispay under wraps, make sure you stay totally quiet and cash out before anyone (including other players) notices what's transpired. As tempting as it might be to press your luck, Steve Miller had it right - take the money and run.

- Matt Villano, 96hours@sfchronicle.com
 

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It's happened to me many of times, what do I do? I pretend I didn't notice and keep playing.
 

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wouldn't you run the risk of getting the dealer in trouble if you spoke up on the spot? from everything i've read, they're under a lot of pressure to get it right EVERY time....i'd feel like a dick if i said, "sir, you gave me $20 too much", and then he got relieved from the table never to be heard from again......
 

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I have been payed on a loss/tie quite a few times on BJ. I have also had to stop the dealer from taking my chips on a win/tie as well. In the casino, it pays to pay attention. I just keep right on playing if the dealer goes to start the next hand.
 

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I have been payed on a loss/tie quite a few times on BJ. I have also had to stop the dealer from taking my chips on a win/tie as well. In the casino, it pays to pay attention. I just keep right on playing if the dealer goes to start the next hand.

yep I've had them try to take my chips too. Who knows the times when I was hammered at 3 in the morning that I probably didn't notice
 

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playing pai gow sometimes you get a dealer who doesnt really understand the game and how they are suppose to play. for 1 thirty minute stretch we had a dealer that just kept paying out and making tons of mistakes. When the next dealer took over I made a comment damn this one knows what hes doing and he seemed to take a lot of offense that we kept letting the other guy fuck up
 
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playing pai gow sometimes you get a dealer who doesnt really understand the game and how they are suppose to play. for 1 thirty minute stretch we had a dealer that just kept paying out and making tons of mistakes. When the next dealer took over I made a comment damn this one knows what hes doing and he seemed to take a lot of offense that we kept letting the other guy fuck up

I wonder why the new dealer would care what his predecessor did.
 

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it has happened to me 2-3 times, i always speak up i feel if i dont it will bite me in the ass later on

but what happened to me 2 weeks ago down in AC. some guy was rather drunk, winning a lot and he had a napkin on the table with his drink on it, and under the napkins were 4 black (100 dollar) chips and they kind of just rolled into my pile and he didnt notice, so i said ok sure 4 dollars richer
 
If the dealer makes a mistake in my favor I always tell the casino. This makes the pit view you as the casino's friend. While you are using an advanced counting system, shuffle tracking, and Ace steering to win big.
 

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Happened to me 1st time that I can remember just last week. I had an 5 card 18, dealer had a six card or seven card 19. Got paid (all of $5.00). In the long run I'm sure I've given then $5.00 they shouldn't have had, so I'm calling it even - heck, as far as I'm concerned they still owe me (not really, but I like saying it).
 

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I've worked as a dealer. We didn't repay casino for mistakes. There was a sliding scale regarding how big the mistake. The bigger, and more often the mistake, the harder the discipline. Big enough mistake, and they show you the door.
 
I've worked as a dealer. We didn't repay casino for mistakes. There was a sliding scale regarding how big the mistake. The bigger, and more often the mistake, the harder the discipline. Big enough mistake, and they show you the door.
So, let's say that you are my dealer and you try to pay me off on a bet that I lost and I put my hand over my stack so that you cannot pay me, and I shake my head NO. And you see the error so you don't pay me. But the pit boss sees all of this and realizes that you were going to pay me off on a bet that I lost. Are you in trouble? Did my bringing this to everyone's attention help you or hurt you?
 

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I always take the money, don't want to make the dealer look bad in front of the bosses. I can't see most of this ever being caught.....who has time to replay every tape of every game ? Maybe if they want to evaluate the dealer after noticing errors, but not routinely !

Once you are a decent dealer and out of places like Western, El Cortez, Golden Gate and into a place like Mirage , MGM, etc, you don't miscount aces and pay pushes, etc. I play the lower limits at the dive joints, bosses watch those newbie dealers pretty hard, usually....esp. when you start betting like a card counter !
 

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So, let's say that you are my dealer and you try to pay me off on a bet that I lost and I put my hand over my stack so that you cannot pay me, and I shake my head NO. And you see the error so you don't pay me. But the pit boss sees all of this and realizes that you were going to pay me off on a bet that I lost. Are you in trouble? Did my bringing this to everyone's attention help you or hurt you?

I'd think it would hurt the dealer, those motions might get noticed where just paying it would look normal.
 
I always take the money, don't want to make the dealer look bad in front of the bosses. I can't see most of this ever being caught.....who has time to replay every tape of every game ? Maybe if they want to evaluate the dealer after noticing errors, but not routinely !

Once you are a decent dealer and out of places like Western, El Cortez, Golden Gate and into a place like Mirage , MGM, etc, you don't miscount aces and pay pushes, etc. I play the lower limits at the dive joints, bosses watch those newbie dealers pretty hard, usually....esp. when you start betting like a card counter !
That is why you jump your bet size around. If you always bet, say the count in green, then I can spot you as a counter in about ten minutes. But, if you jump the bet size around, this time 1 green per count number, next time two black per count number, next time 4 red per count number, then it is almost impossible to tell that a player is a counter. Also you have to make crazy plays that no counter would ever make but either the probability on that play isn't that bad or you don't have much bet. And you need a good personality so that your table always fills up because people like playing with you. And having a hot woman on your arm with a very low cut top and short skirt helps too.
 

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That is why you jump your bet size around. If you always bet, say the count in green, then I can spot you as a counter in about ten minutes. But, if you jump the bet size around, this time 1 green per count number, next time two black per count number, next time 4 red per count number, then it is almost impossible to tell that a player is a counter. Also you have to make crazy plays that no counter would ever make but either the probability on that play isn't that bad or you don't have much bet. And you need a good personality so that your table always fills up because people like playing with you. And having a hot woman on your arm with a very low cut top and short skirt helps too.


Two black per count number ain't really going to happen easily downtown then drop to red. You'd sure look like a counter, if you up the bets ( sometimes on bad counts) you're giving away your small edge.
 

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one night i had a young girl dealing blackjack that kept paying me when i lost. over and over. i didnt say shit. my friends dad was broke and sitting next to me poked my arm and said "hey you see that? why did she pay you on a loser?" ....if looks could kill, he would be dead

enough with the morality threads, i aint believing these answers
 
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"When a casino dealer mispays: What should you do?"

On the next correctly played hand pretend you are drunk, accuse him of misplaying,
and then apologize. Keep acting like you are hammered or on crack in hopes he'll
get distracted and continue screwing it up.
 

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